Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[soonerguru]

It's way more complicated than equating every person that will not get the vaccine to flat-earthers. There's a real distrust in U.S. government, and for good reason. Additionally, if it wasn't for the FDA there wouldn't be a nationwide opiate epidemic, so let's not act like the scientists and doctors haven't chosen greed over integrity before. The government and its entities have their fair share of blame as to why so many aren't getting vaccinated.

There's a distrust in government because it is being actively sewn by political forces for purely political reasons. No, the FDA is not perfect but there are far more credible sources of information about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines than the FDA alone. There are people prone to believing demonstrably ridiculous conspiracy theories, and there are politicians who directly benefit from exploiting and preying on those people's fears and inclinations -- again, for purely political reasons.

This isn't that hard to understand if you would stop engaging in apologistic sophistry.

[Pete]

That kind of thinking is completely consistent with what I was saying before: start with an answer you like, then go searching for dubious information to confirm or find a very rare exception that isn't even directly connected, then use that to justify a position you've already taken.

People don't trust the FDA and scientists because they have been told not to by people they choose to follow. But then are quick to point to the lack of full FDA approval as a reason to 'wait and see'.

We didn't have this incredible level of distrust and rejection of solid science until quite recently. There has always been some, but a very small minority and on the fringes of society (like holocaust or moon landing deniers), not the majority of one of the two political parties.


We can talk about this a million different ways, but it always comes back to the same thing and I'm tired of people trying to make it out to be more than that. It's all just deflection from what everyone knows is the central issue.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

12 and under need to mask once school starts

[soonerguru]

12 and under need to mask once school starts

Schools can no longer ask for it in Oklahoma, thanks to a law passed by the Legislature and signed by Stitt.

[Plutonic Panda]

Has anyone else seen this insanity from the vice mayor of Broken Arrow:

https://twitter.com/chriskpolansky/s...591027717?s=21

That’s coming straight out of the mouth from the vice mayor of the 4th largest city in Oklahoma. She’s mad at Cains Ballroom requiring proof of vaccination and says asking her about her vaccination status is a violation of her “HIPPAA”(yes that’s how she wrote it) rights. She’s also telling her residents not to support businesses that ask for covid vaccination status as it violates their “HIPPAA” rights. Oh to own a business in BA and hear that your mayor is telling residents not to support you because you want to maintain a safe environment for your employees and customers by following science.

What a f@cking joke.

[BoulderSooner]

12 and under need to mask once school starts

absolutely not ..

[Rover]

It's way more complicated than equating every person that will not get the vaccine to flat-earthers. There's a real distrust in U.S. government, and for good reason. Additionally, if it wasn't for the FDA there wouldn't be a nationwide opiate epidemic, so let's not act like the scientists and doctors haven't chosen greed over integrity before. The government and its entities have their fair share of blame as to why so many aren't getting vaccinated.

It is total 8gnorance to believe the FDA is responsible for the opiate epidemic. Why not place the blame squarely on pharmacy and their reps and the billions of $ they chased, and doctors who prescribed them for every pain they couldn’t figure out how to manage with good knowledge.? People always blame the people who didn’t stop them, not the people who did it. Oh, but then they argue against regulations.

[Mott]

[QUOTE=Plutonic Panda;1174200]Has anyone else seen this insanity from the vice mayor of Broken Arrow:

https://twitter.com/chriskpolansky/s...591027717?s=21

That’s coming straight out of the mouth from the vice mayor of the 4th largest city in Oklahoma. She’s mad at Cains Ballroom requiring proof of vaccination and says asking her about her vaccination status is a violation of her “HIPPAA”(yes that’s how she wrote it) rights. She’s also telling her residents

[David]

absolutely not ..

Georgia deputy loses 5-year-old son to COVID-19

[Mott]

Has anyone else seen this insanity from the vice mayor of Broken Arrow:

https://twitter.com/chriskpolansky/s...591027717?s=21

That’s coming straight out of the mouth from the vice mayor of the 4th largest city in Oklahoma. She’s mad at Cains Ballroom requiring proof of vaccination and says asking her about her vaccination status is a violation of her “HIPPAA”(yes that’s how she wrote it) rights. She’s also telling her residents not to support businesses that ask for covid vaccination status as it violates their “HIPPAA” rights. Oh to own a business in BA and hear that your mayor is telling residents not to support you because you want to maintain a safe environment for your employees and customers by following science.

What a f@cking joke.

Indeed, wonder how she will travel overseas, wait with a passport. The horribleness of that. I remember taking a 3 month trip to East Africa and got shotted up in London, and had to carry my inoculation passport with my passport. Violation of personal freedom? Not to get yellow fever, cholera, dengue, and be able to cross borders. What a load sh*t.

[catch22]

Typical scenario. They grab onto a term they that have no idea the meaning of and use it for everything. HIPPA (sic - HIPAA) only protects you from involuntary disclosure of your diagnosis, treatment, etc. it does not prevent someone from asking you or choosing not to do business with you for not voluntarily disclosing your vaccination status. Going to a concert is not a right - it is a voluntary business transaction to purchase tickets and the establishment has every right to set limits on the health and safety of the other attendees and staff.

I am so sick of this bullcrap. These people are acting like spoiled children.

[Pete]

Watch now how many people invoke HIPAA in the same way, even though it's complete BS.

[Roger S]

These people are acting like spoiled children.

It's not acting.... they are

[catch22]

It's not acting.... they are

And all of us are paying for it.

I am already hearing the ranting from anti-vax family members about possibly going back to mask mandates etc. I just want to say - well the people who refuse to get vaccinated are the problem! I did my part, why are you complaining about it to me?

[Pete]

And all of us are paying for it.

I am already hearing the ranting from anti-vax family members about possibly going back to mask mandates etc. I just want to say - well the people who refuse to get vaccinated are the problem! I did my part, why are you complaining about it to me?

They go on and on about their want and desire for 'freedom', yet they won't do the smallest, completely free thing to insure it.

[TheTravellers]

Watch now how many people invoke HIPAA in the same way, even though it's complete BS.

It absolutely is BS pulling HIPAA into it for a normal person.

Fact check: Businesses can legally ask if patrons have been vaccinated. HIPAA does not apply.

[BoulderSooner]

Georgia deputy loses 5-year-old son to COVID-19

kids under 12 have a better chance of getting hit by a car in their own neighborhood and getting killed then by covid .. would you also tell them to never go outside? ?

[BoulderSooner]

Watch now how many people invoke HIPAA in the same way, even though it's complete BS.

the giant lack of understanding of HIPAA is pretty wide spread even outside of covid ...

[David]

kids under 12 have a better chance of getting hit by a car in their own neighborhood and getting killed then by covid .. would you also tell them to never go outside? ?

Pretty bad comparison to just having them wear masks to prevent the possibility of them dying to the virus or the chance of being a transmission vector. My condolences on your car analogy being so terrible.

[BDP]

Pretty bad comparison to just having them wear masks to prevent the possibility of them dying to the virus or the chance of being a transmission vector. My condolences on your car analogy being so terrible.

There's still a LOT of people who can't grasp how contagions work.

[PoliSciGuy]

kids under 12 have a better chance of getting hit by a car in their own neighborhood and getting killed then by covid .. would you also tell them to never go outside? ?

What a powerfully dumb analogy. We knows cars are risky so we take lots of steps to make it as safe as possible, such as:

- teaching kids to look both ways
- low speed limits in neighborhoods
- significant signage in child areas and school zones

Requiring masks are a low-invasive way to decrease the odds of death and disease. I am hoping Stitt implements a state of emergency so schools can require masks again.

[Edmond_Outsider]

Google Maps now has a layer that shows covid trends. I've been watching the spread of the delta variant coming from Missouri and Arkansas. It looks like Tulsa will turn red soon, probably within a week.

I'm getting used to wearing masks again in public. It's surprising how quickly I got used to not wearing them and how much I'm struggling with the idea of wearing them again.

Aside from the necessities--grocery, medical care, etc--I have gone back to full pandemic protocols. Namely, I'm doing everything I can, again, to limit my exposure to the high percentage of Oklahomans' who refuse vaccines and masks.

Specifically, I'm wearing a mask everywhere and not going to restaurants or bars that have no outdoor seating or outdoor seating that's not properly spaced.

[BoulderSooner]

What a powerfully dumb analogy. We knows cars are risky so we take lots of steps to make it as safe as possible, such as:

- teaching kids to look both ways
- low speed limits in neighborhoods
- significant signage in child areas and school zones

Requiring masks are a low-invasive way to decrease the odds of death and disease. I am hoping Stitt implements a state of emergency so schools can require masks again.

kids under 12 have virtually 0 risk of getting sick of covid ..... that is a statistical fact ..

[kzizok]

And, so it begins. DHS is going back to mask wearing when dealing with the public and outside of individual work stations when in the office (along w/temp checks , etc).

Thank you, to all of you that can get the vaccine, but don't because of lack of logic, lack believing in science, and believing in conspiracy theories. You are messing it up for the rest of us.

[Edmond_Outsider]

kids under 12 have virtually 0 risk of getting sick of covid ..... that is a statistical fact ..

Aside from trump and his media enablers who have used the exact phrase "virtually zero" risk what other "medical experts" claim this?

The CDC and Mayo clinic among others claim the opposite.

Children are a very low-risk population. There is virtually zero risk of death and low risk of hospitalization
Scott Atlas, former President Donald Trump's pandemic advisor

Tucker Carlson: “To children and the vast majority of young and middle-aged adults and the vast majority of teachers, (the coronavirus) poses virtually zero threat."