Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

People think having access to the internet makes them an expert on everything

It allows you to go searching for the answer you desire, no matter how dubious the source.

Want to justify eating ice cream for breakfast? You can find all types of articles saying that's good for you, nevermind they've all been completely debunked; you just don't read those or choose to completely reject them.


The internet has basically allowed people to invent their own reality and reject hard, evidenced-based science simply because they don't like what it says. And then go find the answers they want.


IMHO, it's not the disinformation. I personally see very little of it because I don't seek it out and if I do come across it, it's incredibly easy to spot. The problem is that many people are motivated to find reasons -- any reasons -- to not get vaccinated and not follow commonsense guidelines provided by non-partisan experts.

Anybody who says: "I don't know what to believe about Covid-19" is actually saying, "I reject the CDC and peer-reviewed scientific information and therefore would rather going trolling for something that I want to hear".

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

France and UK are requiring vaccine passports,eventually,to enter certain facilities.

Will Germany, Spain, Italy follow?

will it happen in the US?

[Pete]

BTW, to leave politics out of this I submit the greatest example of what I just described above: the growing number of Flat Earth believers.

What in the holiest of heck??? In this day and age that many people (sitting at a computer interacting with people all over the world -- the irony) would reject hundreds of years of solid science for this craziness... It's almost incomprehensible.


I have a theory about science-deniers and that includes most of the anti-vax crowd: they did poorly in science in school (that is a lead-pipe cinch because if you understood even the basics you couldn't possibly believe the crap they do) and therefore because they don't understand how it works, it's their little backlash against all the 'intellectuals' and 'elitists' that were actually able to comprehend the scientific method.

It makes them feel smarter to think that THEY are the ones with the real truth, not all those smarty-pants that devoted their lives to scientific study and invented things like the Internet in the first place.

[catch22]

I took a class with a guy who’s jaw hit the floor when he realized we thought he was joking when he was talking about the flat earth theory. We thought he was just pulling our legs so we went along with it for a bit. It then dawned on everyone that he was serious; he went up to the front of the lecture room and started drawing his theories on the whiteboard. (Instructor was just as baffled as we were so he allowed the interruption)

Yes - Amazing. He thought we all knew about it and believed it like it was common knowledge to believe.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

Covid: Two jabs needed to enter nightclubs from September

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57893788.amp

France and UK are requiring vaccine passports,eventually,to enter certain facilities.

Will Germany, Spain, Italy follow?

will it happen in the US?

[Mott]

At the railroad yard BNSF, people would ask me why I liked the Affordable Health Care, known as Obama Care. I said it would be good for people without any health insurance, and I would ask them why they didn’t like it, and the answers were always it’s bad, and I would ask them (with full insured health care) why they didn’t like it, and there was no answer, other than its not good. Pretty much like the getting COVID shots.

[Mott]

At the railroad yard BNSF, people would ask me why I liked the Affordable Health Care, known as Obama Care. I said it would be good for people without any health insurance, and I would ask them why they didn’t like it, and the answers were always it’s bad, and I would ask them (with full insured health care) why they didn’t like it, and there was no answer, other than its not good. Pretty much like the getting COVID shots.

[PoliSciGuy]

Covid: Two jabs needed to enter nightclubs from September

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57893788.amp

France and UK are requiring vaccine passports,eventually,to enter certain facilities.

Will Germany, Spain, Italy follow?

will it happen in the US?

Here's hoping

[Pete]

At the railroad yard BNSF, people would ask me why I liked the Affordable Health Care, known as Obama Care. I said it would be good for people without any health insurance, and I would ask them why they didn’t like it, and the answers were always it’s bad, and I would ask them (with full insured health care) why they didn’t like it, and there was no answer, other than its not good. Pretty much like the getting COVID shots.

Lots of polls showed that many were in favor of the Affordable Healthcare Act and then those same people were strongly against Obamacare.

[Mott]

Do you think they don’t want to be sick, but won’t take the shot. Unreality.

[kukblue1]

First off lets not call it Affordable. I never understood a person like myself that gets check ups ever 6 months have to pay 2 times as much as someone just 5 years younger whos never been to a doctor.

As far as lock downs never going to happen now. Did lock does really work all that well in the first place? ALL THAT WELL. They worked some but at what cost?

[soonerguru]

First off lets not call it Affordable. I never understood a person like myself that gets check ups ever 6 months have to pay 2 times as much as someone just 5 years younger whos never been to a doctor.

As far as lock downs never going to happen now. Did lock does really work all that well in the first place? ALL THAT WELL. They worked some but at what cost?

It may not have been "affordable" because it was willfully sabotaged. Only now will Oklahoma have a more clear picture of the benefits now that Medicaid has been expanded and federal subsidies have been returned. Not to derail the thread.

[Bunty]

Stillwater Medical Center reports full ICU as COVID numbers rise. The hospital no longer has a separate COVID unit but tries to keep COVID patients on the same hall if possible. Staffing is still a major issue. Seems like the same thing repeating as was last summer. I wonder if the hospital CEO will ask the major to restore required masks. It's not hard to find a place that offers covid vaccines in Stillwater.

https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/lo...e5c611fe3.html

[Plutonic Panda]

BTW, to leave politics out of this I submit the greatest example of what I just described above: the growing number of Flat Earth believers.

What in the holiest of heck??? In this day and age that many people (sitting at a computer interacting with people all over the world -- the irony) would reject hundreds of years of solid science for this craziness... It's almost incomprehensible.


I have a theory about science-deniers and that includes most of the anti-vax crowd: they did poorly in science in school (that is a lead-pipe cinch because if you understood even the basics you couldn't possibly believe the crap they do) and therefore because they don't understand how it works, it's their little backlash against all the 'intellectuals' and 'elitists' that were actually able to comprehend the scientific method.

It makes them feel smarter to think that THEY are the ones with the real truth, not all those smarty-pants that devoted their life to scientific study.

Climate change deniers. Fake moon landing. Space isn’t real. People would be surprised at the amount of people that subscribe to those conspiracy theories. It’s hard to believe that in 2021 we have people who don’t believe in science. You can’t help but wonder how much the dark ages set us back either and it’s ironic how we thought society would be today, 70 years ago.

[Canoe]

Climate change deniers. Fake moon landing. Space isn’t real. People would be surprised at the amount of people that subscribe to those conspiracy theories. It’s hard to believe that in 2021 we have people who don’t believe in science. You can’t help but wonder how much the dark ages set us back either and it’s ironic how we thought society would be today, 70 years ago.

Yes, I to feel like something has gone wrong over the last 70 years. There are alot of factors at play, and I do not understand them at all. We have advanced technology, but in someways we have regressed socially. It is an interesting topic.

[Pete]

As far as lock downs never going to happen now. Did lock does really work all that well in the first place? ALL THAT WELL. They worked some but at what cost?

All those measures worked very well. We were down to very low numbers in March, long before the vaccine was widely available.

Since that time, people have been behaving like there never was a virus and you see the results.

The lockdowns and other restrictions were planned to get us to vaccination. Now we're there, and half the country refuses to take it.

[foodiefan]

I took a class with a guy who’s jaw hit the floor when he realized we thought he was joking when he was talking about the flat earth theory. We thought he was just pulling our legs so we went along with it for a bit. It then dawned on everyone that he was serious; he went up to the front of the lecture room and started drawing his theories on the whiteboard. (Instructor was just as baffled as we were so he allowed the interruption)

Yes - Amazing. He thought we all knew about it and believed it like it was common knowledge to believe.

. . .and it seems to be growing!!

https://physicsworld.com/a/fighting-flat-earth-theory/

[jedicurt]

I took a class with a guy who’s jaw hit the floor when he realized we thought he was joking when he was talking about the flat earth theory. We thought he was just pulling our legs so we went along with it for a bit. It then dawned on everyone that he was serious; he went up to the front of the lecture room and started drawing his theories on the whiteboard. (Instructor was just as baffled as we were so he allowed the interruption)

Yes - Amazing. He thought we all knew about it and believed it like it was common knowledge to believe.

back about 5 years ago, i went on a date with a girl who dropped the fact that she was a flat earth believer at the end of the first date. i almost never called her again, but curiosity got the best of me, and I set up a second date just to hear her answers to a bunch of my questions.... She had some very interesting answers for all of them.

[jedicurt]

. . .and it seems to be growing!!

https://physicsworld.com/a/fighting-flat-earth-theory/

and completely crazy, because we all know the Earth is shaped like a Donut...

[catcherinthewry]

and completely crazy, because we all know the Earth is shaped like a Donut...

We prefer the term Torus shaped.

[Pete]

465 new cases today; last several Tuesdays: 177, 85, 162, 45. Have to go all the way back to mid-February to find a higher Tuesday number.

Hospitalizations are now up to 408, that's +28 from just yesterday.

ICU is 137, +19.

[d-usa]

After over a year of this and being in the medical field, and having had COVID in January, my mental health has crashed since the beginning of the year. I’ve been dealing with breakdowns and suicidal thoughts from stress and PTSD with all of this, and I know that many many healthcare workers are in the same situation. I have improved with therapy and medication, and I’m getting a medical retirement soon, and I know that there will be a mass exodus in medical workers with a much smaller pool wanting to replace them after this.

I’ve also pretty much accepted that I will have family members who refuse to get vaccinated die from this.

[Pete]

^

Wow, that's horrible to hear.


At the very least, healthcare workers will be less likely to look for work or stay in places like Oklahoma where half the population refuses to protect themselves and not tax workers and hospitals.

Just as before, the consequences of the pandemic are enormous in many ways people don't even consider. The difference is this time, it's completely avoidable.

[Rixon75]

It's way more complicated than equating every person that will not get the vaccine to flat-earthers. There's a real distrust in U.S. government, and for good reason. Additionally, if it wasn't for the FDA there wouldn't be a nationwide opiate epidemic, so let's not act like the scientists and doctors haven't chosen greed over integrity before. The government and its entities have their fair share of blame as to why so many aren't getting vaccinated.

[Pete]

^

Nobody is equating the two, just saying it's a similar mindset.

This is a free shot and very, very safe so comparing to opioids is ridiculous.


Just more false equivalencies and excuses.