Nice SLC Tribune Article

[PUGalicious]

Before MAPS, though, I suppose that my attitude was more like Pug's is today. He'll get on board one of these days, I'm thinking!

^^ ... continues to be utterly clueless (or willfully ignorant) about what I've been saying... I hope he enjoys his blissful ignorance...

Doug, you might be surprised to know that we agree on much more than we disagree on... but you would rather continue in your bliss... oh well... so much for the truce ...

[Doug Loudenback]

No, let's keep the up the truce! And, no, I'm not surprised that we often agree and I've not forgotten that. And, if you want to think (and say) that I'm utterly clueless (or willfully ignorant), and "blissfully ignorant," I can handle it without rancor.

[PUGalicious]

Then, please do not ascribe beliefs to me that I have not expressly expressed... and we'll be just fine...

[Doug Loudenback]

Perhaps we just misunderstand each other ... maybe it would be good for each of us to articulate our points of view somewhere else, sometime.

[Karried]

We do have a PM feature that will allow you to continue this discussion - to infinity and beyond....

[PUGalicious]

And let everyone else miss out on this fun? Surely you jest!

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

And let everyone else miss out on this fun? Surely you jest!

No, that's our job.

[HOT ROD]

Hot Rod, I wasn't "boosting" those cities, only making an observation. Yes, they're BUILT on/near desert terrain. Does that make them "dusty?" Of course not! I've been to SoCal enough times to know that's not a term associated with Los Angeles. Have they had dust storms? Yes. Have we? Yeah. Where were you about two years ago when you couldn't hardly see two blocks in front of you? Oh yeah, you were in Seattle, where you have CHOSEN to live over Oklahoma City. And why your hangup with the desert? Do you still think those people in SoCal, along the Pacific Ocean, would really rather live, "on the border of the Great Plains grassland and the Ozark Timber forest?"

Sorry, but I have read zilllions of your posts and your unrealistic views of OKC (a city you don't even LIVE in!) are so starry-eyed as to be comical. You've compared OKC to every major city in the country fantasizing in some way, that Oklahoma City's "renaissance" has made it one of the great cities of the world.

I find it ironic such a booster would choose SOMEWHERE ELSE to call home. For whatever reason. There's jobs here. There's everything here that's in Seattle, after all Oklahoma City is a world-class city (your words in a post) and if you really think that, you should LIVE HERE! Do you even know what a "world-class city" is? You are dreaming a dream, my friend. We're a fine city. "World-class," we are not.

Dusty LA and SLC...and OKC's natural beauty of the damned up North Canadian River. Earth to Hot Rod.

By the way, Southern California is a lot more than palm trees. You said OKC is SO green and beautiful with trees and you don't consider Palm Trees "real trees." Well, I don't know where you've been in SoCal, but there are a hell of a lot more trees in LA than Palm Trees. And even if there were not - you think OKC is, "quite naturally green and has trees." I suppose that's why people flock via Will Rogers and Amtrak to Oklahoma City for the greenery instead of Jamaica, Aruba, etc. Those UGLY Palm trees!! I'm so glad people are realizing OKC is the REAL green spot.

You're in fantasy land, Hot Rod. I'm sure you're a good guy, but you are fooling yourself.

Since you've read my posts, you should have also read that I live in Seattle because I do not like the heat primarily but will most likely be moving to Chicago, since the company I work for recently did that a few years back. Just because I like OKC or what it is doing doesn't mean I have to live there - suffering through the hot/humid summers which I hate!

And, just because I live here in Seattle doesnt mean that I cant feel happy for OKC or compare it differently than someone like yourself does, who apparently only looks skin deep at the flashy this or that to determine if something is a big city.

Seattle is a great place and I do like it here, but that doesn't mean we are the best city nor does it mean that OKC isnt either - both places are different.

And my most recent point was, I dont understand why OKC has a dusty rep when Ive never seen a dust storm there (I lived in OKC for 17 years by the way). I didnt say anything about people flocking to OKC for their green scene, however I said OKC does have trees and is not dusty. I said palm trees does not equate to greenery to me, which is what LA has. And that is all I said, You made the generalizations above about aruba and wherever, I didnt.

Maybe you should move since you can't or wont be happy of what you have, beauty of OKC is more than JUST a damned up river (as you put it).

Your disdain for OKC does not make you an expert at LA, Seattle or another place, but rather since I travel often to both on business and other American and international cities - I think I can offer a much better comparison that goes beyond whether Downtown OKC has a Nordstrom or a Banana Republic just because Downtown Seattle does (the latter store of which is always empty). Apparently that is all you look for in determining whether a city is great.

To me, I think the LOCAL fabric is what makes a city great and OKC compares in this way to most other major cities. Sure, there is little if any flair downtown and the city is a little slower, but does that mean OKC is bad? Does that mean that the fact that OKC has an asian area full of LOCAL places that it ISNT similar to Seattle which also has one, or that OKC has a gay district that it ISNT similar to Seattle which also has one, or that OKC is a regional center that it isnt similar to Seattle which is also one???

OKC does have things that Seattle doesnt have, like a hispanic downtown. And Seattle has things that OKC doesnt, like (will have) two major-league sports teams. Does that make Seattle better?

Tell me, other than Geography, how are OKC and Seattle different?

I can tell you, they arent.

And that is reality dude! Maybe you need to get over the fact that there are some people who actually like OKC the way it is.

[PennyQuilts]

SLC looks live a lovely, vibrant City. OKC is, too. As I have posted, before, I encourage outsiders to think it is a wasteland so they will stay away.

[solitude]

Since you've read my posts, you should have also read that I live in Seattle because I do not like the heat primarily but will most likely be moving to Chicago, since the company I work for recently did that a few years back. Just because I like OKC or what it is doing doesn't mean I have to live there - suffering through the hot/humid summers which I hate!

And, just because I live here in Seattle doesnt mean that I cant feel happy for OKC or compare it differently than someone like yourself does, who apparently only looks skin deep at the flashy this or that to determine if something is a big city.

Seattle is a great place and I do like it here, but that doesn't mean we are the best city nor does it mean that OKC isnt either - both places are different.

And my most recent point was, I dont understand why OKC has a dusty rep when Ive never seen a dust storm there (I lived in OKC for 17 years by the way). I didnt say anything about people flocking to OKC for their green scene, however I said OKC does have trees and is not dusty. I said palm trees does not equate to greenery to me, which is what LA has. And that is all I said, You made the generalizations above about aruba and wherever, I didnt.

Maybe you should move since you can't or wont be happy of what you have, beauty of OKC is more than JUST a damned up river (as you put it).

Your disdain for OKC does not make you an expert at LA, Seattle or another place, but rather since I travel often to both on business and other American and international cities - I think I can offer a much better comparison that goes beyond whether Downtown OKC has a Nordstrom or a Banana Republic just because Downtown Seattle does (the latter store of which is always empty). Apparently that is all you look for in determining whether a city is great.

To me, I think the LOCAL fabric is what makes a city great and OKC compares in this way to most other major cities. Sure, there is little if any flair downtown and the city is a little slower, but does that mean OKC is bad? Does that mean that the fact that OKC has an asian area full of LOCAL places that it ISNT similar to Seattle which also has one, or that OKC has a gay district that it ISNT similar to Seattle which also has one, or that OKC is a regional center that it isnt similar to Seattle which is also one???

OKC does have things that Seattle doesnt have, like a hispanic downtown. And Seattle has things that OKC doesnt, like (will have) two major-league sports teams. Does that make Seattle better?

Tell me, other than Geography, how are OKC and Seattle different?

I can tell you, they arent.

And that is reality dude! Maybe you need to get over the fact that there are some people who actually like OKC the way it is.

Truce. But, just so you know, you confused me with some other posters with a couple of your comments. And, I have no disdain for Oklahoma City. I love it here.