Covid-19 Vaccine Information

[dankrutka]

This is not correct. The COVID vaccines are not approved,they are authorized by the FDA. They were authorized for emergency use. This is the reason the military cannot mandate the vaccine.

Yes, this is correct. I was using "approved" generally to refer to emergency authorization use, which for almost almost all practical purposes (except some rare exceptions like military requirement) is the same as full FDA approval, to differentiate between Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson from all the other vaccines available globally. In this case, it was just a matter of more time and data. The vaccines will likely all have full FDA approval in the coming months. The point of my post was that all three vaccines are incredibly effective.

[BDP]

This is not correct. The COVID vaccines are not approved,they are authorized by the FDA. They were authorized for emergency use. This is the reason the military cannot mandate the vaccine.

Seriously, don't invoke the military in this. Those who have served, are serving, and will serve do not process the risk or inconvenience to themselves against saving other Americans. They take so much greater risk and suffer much more than anyone will suffer from a vaccine.

Just say "thank you". To those who serve. To those who served tirelessly to try and get us out of this. And just do your part.

One day, when you're old, and you will be old, hopefully no one throws the bureaucracy at your ass when there's a cure for which you and your friends are dying.

[dankrutka]

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What are you talking about? They didn’t make a commentary on those who serve in any way. They just pointed out that the military can’t require the vaccine until it’s fully approved by the FDA.

[soonermike81]

By all expectations, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has incredible efficacy rates. When the pandemic started, most epidemiologists didn't expect we'd have a vaccine that reduces infection and death as well as this vaccine has. Incredibly, several incredibly effective vaccines have been developed. It's just great news all around.

The suspension of J&J is not something most people should worry about at all. They were being extremely cautious. I personally think they were overcautious and shouldn't have suspended it as it had the reverse effect it should have (reduced public confidence when it should have boosted it). The vaccine is good and the side effects are dramatically lower than any risks from COVID. I would have been 100% comfortable taking J&J.

I am not sure why you think I compared the vaccines. I did not. All three approved U.S. vaccines have been incredible successes. I'd rate them all similarly.

I guess it depends on how everyone defines "incredible efficacy rates." First and foremost, they really shouldn't even be the 3rd vaccine with EUA. Novavax had a manufacturing agreement with Emergent Biosolutions last Spring prior to J&J signing their deal with Emergent. Yet, somehow J&J jumps the line and bumps Novavax out of the way. And then they end up having contamination issues at this facility. Can't pinpoint who's at fault for that, but it's not a great look. Then earlier this year, they announce their "incredible efficacy" data. Let's be real, their results were underwhelming by many people's expectations. Very underwhelming compared to Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Novavax's efficacy. If I recall, J&J happened to announce their efficacy data a day or 2 after Novavax. Novavax had outstanding data, compared to J&J's 67% efficacy. They knew how underwhelming this was, so they touted "100% effective against death." LMAO! This worked, as the media ran with it and many people think this is somehow a guarantee against dying from covid. Since when was this ever a metric being used for efficacy? Pfizer and Moderna didn't tout this metric. It's because it's BS. In fact, I believe all four of the above other companies are 100% at preventing death and hospitalizations. But J%J knew they were the weakest, so they touted this as well at it being a one-shot vaccine. Well, at least a couple of the other companies have similar or much higher efficacy after one jab than 67%. Also, 67% is efficacy against moderate to severe covid. They didn't include mild covid cases, which I can only assume would bring that 67% number to well below 50%. It makes sense now when you hear about 7-8 NY Yankees players getting covid after getting J&J. That's how "incredible" it is. I didn't even mention the blood clotting issue yet. I know it's a small number, but I believe these individuals were otherwise healthy individuals. I don't know the number off the top of my head, but there's been several countries who have halted the use of J&J because of this. This wouldn't happen unless there are some serious concerns. Many of those countries have also halted AstraZeneca for similar blood clotting issues. Both companies provide adenovirus vaccines. I think "incredible efficacy rate" is quite the exaggeration.

[BDP]

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What are you talking about? They didn’t make a commentary on those who serve in any way. They just pointed out that the military can’t require the vaccine until it’s fully approved by the FDA.

Sorry about that. Conflated some points. lol.

[PhiAlpha]

Yeah, most people who get COVID will not die, or even become severely ill. Many never even know/knew they had it.



COVID-19 has infected and killed way more people than Ebola ever has and in a lot less time. Literally millions more.

I sometimes wonder if some of you all read what you type and what you’re responding to before hitting send. Yes Covid has infected more people and killed more people than Ebola...but the comment i was responding to basically implied that catching Covid was a death sentence and that is far, FAR from being remotely accurate when the US death rate is around 1.8%. Contracting Ebola on the other hand, is much more likely to leave you dead and sent to a cemetery as the post I was responding to wrongly suggested would’ve been the likely outcome when coming down with Covid.

[dankrutka]

I guess it depends on how everyone defines "incredible efficacy rates." First and foremost, they really shouldn't even be the 3rd vaccine with EUA. Novavax had a manufacturing agreement with Emergent Biosolutions last Spring prior to J&J signing their deal with Emergent. Yet, somehow J&J jumps the line and bumps Novavax out of the way. And then they end up having contamination issues at this facility. Can't pinpoint who's at fault for that, but it's not a great look. Then earlier this year, they announce their "incredible efficacy" data. Let's be real, their results were underwhelming by many people's expectations. Very underwhelming compared to Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Novavax's efficacy. If I recall, J&J happened to announce their efficacy data a day or 2 after Novavax. Novavax had outstanding data, compared to J&J's 67% efficacy. They knew how underwhelming this was, so they touted "100% effective against death." LMAO! This worked, as the media ran with it and many people think this is somehow a guarantee against dying from covid. Since when was this ever a metric being used for efficacy? Pfizer and Moderna didn't tout this metric. It's because it's BS. In fact, I believe all four of the above other companies are 100% at preventing death and hospitalizations. But J%J knew they were the weakest, so they touted this as well at it being a one-shot vaccine. Well, at least a couple of the other companies have similar or much higher efficacy after one jab than 67%. Also, 67% is efficacy against moderate to severe covid. They didn't include mild covid cases, which I can only assume would bring that 67% number to well below 50%. It makes sense now when you hear about 7-8 NY Yankees players getting covid after getting J&J. That's how "incredible" it is. I didn't even mention the blood clotting issue yet. I know it's a small number, but I believe these individuals were otherwise healthy individuals. I don't know the number off the top of my head, but there's been several countries who have halted the use of J&J because of this. This wouldn't happen unless there are some serious concerns. Many of those countries have also halted AstraZeneca for similar blood clotting issues. Both companies provide adenovirus vaccines. I think "incredible efficacy rate" is quite the exaggeration.

Johnson & Johnson had 67% efficacy in trials, which is incredible. Considering their trials were completed during the spread of variants, it is pretty much equivalent to Pfizer and Moderna efficacy rates that resulted from a much more favorable environment in their trials. If you think developing a vaccine with 67% efficacy rates on a novel virus that has been effective in the real world too is not incredible, then I have no clue what to tell you. Reading your post, I suspect you do not understand vaccine efficacy or there's no way you could come to your conclusions. Many people readily confuse efficacy with common terms like effectiveness, but that is not the case. The efficacy rate differences are negligible when you understand the science behind the numbers. J&J prevents almost all hospitalization and deaths, just like the other vaccines in the U.S. The blood clotting issue happens to 1 in a million people. It's as relevant as getting struck by lightning or many other medications and activities that people don't think about everyday. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine is nearly a miracle.

Sorry about that. Conflated some points. lol.

No worries at all. Cheers!

[BDP]

I sometimes wonder if some of you all read what you type and what youÂ’re responding to before hitting send. Yes Covid has infected more people and killed more people than Ebola...but the comment i was responding to basically implied that catching Covid was a death sentence and that is far, FAR from being remotely accurate when the US death rate is around 1.8%. Contracting Ebola on the other hand, is much more likely to leave you dead and sent to a cemetery as the post I was responding to wrongly suggested wouldÂ’ve been the likely outcome when coming down with Covid.

That's pretty much what I said: Ebola kills most of those who get it, but COVID has killed the most people.

But, in context of this thread, the contrast is a good example of why the vaccine is so critical to controlling COVID. COVID is so much different than something like Ebola. Ebola is so efficient at killing that it almost contains itself. And, unlike COVID, contagious people with Ebola get sick, so they're not hanging out at Kong's spreading it to other people that leads to more deaths.

Thankfull, there's a vaccine for both of them, but neither work if people don't take them.

[emtefury]

Seriously, don't invoke the military in this. Those who have served, are serving, and will serve do not process the risk or inconvenience to themselves against saving other Americans. They take so much greater risk and suffer much more than anyone will suffer from a vaccine.

Just say "thank you". To those who serve. To those who served tirelessly to try and get us out of this. And just do your part.

One day, when you're old, and you will be old, hopefully no one throws the bureaucracy at your ass when there's a cure for which you and your friends are dying.

I have been in the military for over 18 years and retiring soon. No offense taken on the comments as I understand there can be a miscommunication on text based communication. As dankrutka noted, I was using that the vaccines are under emergency use authorization and not FDA approved as the reason the military cannot mandate the vaccine.

On a side note, I begrudgency I received the Anthrax vaccine when I deployed. The vaccine was FDA approved so I got the jab.

[BDP]

I have been in the military for over 18 years and retiring soon. No offense taken on the comments as I understand there can be a miscommunication on text based communication. As dankrutka noted, I was using that the vaccines are under emergency use authorization and not FDA approved as the reason the military cannot mandate the vaccine.

On a side note, I begrudgency I received the Anthrax vaccine when I deployed. The vaccine was FDA approved so I got the jab.

That was my bad for tangentially (at best) running a different direction with it and, in doing so, I misrepresented your point. You clearly made a factual statement about FDA approval and military mandate and I went off on my own. Ha.

My apologies to you and the thread for that.

[dankrutka]

It's refreshing to see people handle a misunderstanding on the Internet so cordially... it's a rare sight.

[OkiePoke]

Is there somewhere in OKC to walk-in and get the J&J vaccine?

[FighttheGoodFight]

Is there somewhere in OKC to walk-in and get the J&J vaccine?

https://www.solvhealth.com/ok/c/okla...ccine_type=jnj

[OkiePoke]

https://www.solvhealth.com/ok/c/okla...ccine_type=jnj

Thanks!

I'm trying to get my neighbor to schedule an appt.

[soonermike81]

Johnson & Johnson had 67% efficacy in trials, which is incredible. Considering their trials were completed during the spread of variants, it is pretty much equivalent to Pfizer and Moderna efficacy rates that resulted from a much more favorable environment in their trials. If you think developing a vaccine with 67% efficacy rates on a novel virus that has been effective in the real world too is not incredible, then I have no clue what to tell you. Reading your post, I suspect you do not understand vaccine efficacy or there's no way you could come to your conclusions. Many people readily confuse efficacy with common terms like effectiveness, but that is not the case. The efficacy rate differences are negligible when you understand the science behind the numbers. J&J prevents almost all hospitalization and deaths, just like the other vaccines in the U.S. The blood clotting issue happens to 1 in a million people. It's as relevant as getting struck by lightning or many other medications and activities that people don't think about everyday. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine is nearly a miracle.

You seem like a well-schooled person from reading your posts over time, but please don't attempt to belittle me. I absolutely understand how efficacy works. I worked for one the largest pharma companies many years back, I don't need a NYT article to educate me. And no, they're still not "pretty much equivalent to Pfizer and Moderna efficacy rates." I recall that the 67% is the data against the original Wuhan strain, which is significantly lower than Pfizer or Moderna of 95% or so. Their efficacy rate against the S.A. strain was barely over 50% from what I remember, and they had no data against the U.K. or Brazilian strain. At the time, Pfizer and Moderna only had real word data against the Wuhan strain. However, their lab studies did show a significant reduction in neutralizing titers for the other strains, so I guess J&J has somewhat of a leg up since they ran trials in S.A. So I don't think your statement about J&J doing trials during the spread of variants really applies to your argument. You can fact check the above information if you'd like. Most, if not all, of the above should be found in each company's own press releases. And I haven't kept up with things as much recently as I did last year and early this year, but I doubt the blood clotting issues are 1 out of a million. I have no idea the exact number blood clotting cases vs how many J&J jabs have been given, but I don't see the numbers computing to 1 out of a million.

Either way, I'll leave things be and stop arguing. If you believe one thing and I believe something different, there's probably a low likelihood of us changing each other's mind.

[TheTravellers]

... And I haven't kept up with things as much recently as I did last year and early this year, but I doubt the blood clotting issues are 1 out of a million. I have no idea the exact number blood clotting cases vs how many J&J jabs have been given, but I don't see the numbers computing to 1 out of a million. ...

When they paused the J&J vaccine, there were 6 blood clots out of 6.8 million shots, so pretty much 1 in a million.

[soonermike81]

When they paused the J&J vaccine, there were 6 blood clots out of 6.8 million shots, so pretty much 1 in a million.

Ok fair enough.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

Does anyone know where to get antibody testing that picks up if the vaccine is working as intended?

OBI said their antibody tests only pick up if you've come into contact with covid, not whether the vaccine created antibodies.

I've read a few tests on groups of immunocompromised individuals are showing only like 25%-50% are showing vaccine induced antibodies. I'm wondering how that testing is being performed.

[Canoe]

You seem like a well-schooled person from reading your posts over time, but please don't attempt to belittle me. I absolutely understand how efficacy works. I worked for one the largest pharma companies many years back, I don't need a NYT article to educate me. And no, they're still not "pretty much equivalent to Pfizer and Moderna efficacy rates." I recall that the 67% is the data against the original Wuhan strain, which is significantly lower than Pfizer or Moderna of 95% or so. Their efficacy rate against the S.A. strain was barely over 50% from what I remember, and they had no data against the U.K. or Brazilian strain. At the time, Pfizer and Moderna only had real word data against the Wuhan strain. However, their lab studies did show a significant reduction in neutralizing titers for the other strains, so I guess J&J has somewhat of a leg up since they ran trials in S.A. So I don't think your statement about J&J doing trials during the spread of variants really applies to your argument. You can fact check the above information if you'd like. Most, if not all, of the above should be found in each company's own press releases. And I haven't kept up with things as much recently as I did last year and early this year, but I doubt the blood clotting issues are 1 out of a million. I have no idea the exact number blood clotting cases vs how many J&J jabs have been given, but I don't see the numbers computing to 1 out of a million.

Either way, I'll leave things be and stop arguing. If you believe one thing and I believe something different, there's probably a low likelihood of us changing each other's mind.

I haven't heard much about the Indian variant lately. What is up with that strain? Last I heard it was in Canadian county?

[soonermike81]

I haven't heard much about the Indian variant lately. What is up with that strain? Last I heard it was in Canadian county?

I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it made its way here already. Even with the travel ban from India, I'm sure many carriers had already made their way here. Or it's easy enough to travel to another country first, then enter the US. But it doesn't sound like it's as big of a concern as the UK and SA were at the start of the year. I think at this point, we just have to recognize that Covid will continue mutating as time progresses like other coronaviruses. Back in March, I started hearing of a California variant. Hopefully, these vaccine developers can figure out a way to tackle multiple variants without increasing the dosage so much that side effects increase significantly.

[HangryHippo]

I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it made its way here already. Even with the travel ban from India, I'm sure many carriers had already made their way here. Or it's easy enough to travel to another country first, then enter the US. But it doesn't sound like it's as big of a concern as the UK and SA were at the start of the year. I think at this point, we just have to recognize that Covid will continue mutating as time progresses like other coronaviruses. Back in March, I started hearing of a California variant. Hopefully, these vaccine developers can figure out a way to tackle multiple variants without increasing the dosage so much that side effects increase significantly.

It wouldn’t just continue mutating as rampantly if people would get the damn shot.

[happyday]

Is it yet possible to receive a "drive through" vaccination anywhere? (A couple of folks in my world cannot walk well or stand for very long.)

[BDP]

Is it yet possible to receive a "drive through" vaccination anywhere? (A couple of folks in my world cannot walk well or stand for very long.)

Try Thrifty Pharmacy on North May:

https://www.thriftypharmacyedmond.com/
(405) 751-2852

They had a drive up POD in the middle of the Quail Plaza parking lot a few months ago. Their appointment scheduler says they are still doing it this way:

https://oem.passporthealthglobal.com...yPharmacyCOVID

It's super easy.

[Midtowner]

Is it yet possible to receive a "drive through" vaccination anywhere? (A couple of folks in my world cannot walk well or stand for very long.)

If the Oklahoma County Public Health folks are still operating their thing over at OSUOKC, you can schedule a free drive up appointment.

[happyday]

Great responses about drive throughs. Many thanks to you both!