Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

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Right but adults aren't the only ones that can transmit the disease.

When you factor in those under 18, there are still a ton of people who haven't had any vaccination at all.

[PoliSciGuy]

Sure, but for kids, especially those under 12 and unable to get vaccinated, Covid really *is* just like the flu, if not less harmful for even younger folks. Also, if their parents are vaccinated/protected, they're a lot less likely to get it.

[Pete]

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All true but kids can still transmit to others, which is the point of herd immunity and percentage of population numbers.

I expect we are going to see a significant resurgence of the disease this fall and winter, although it won't reach the previous high levels we have seen.

[jn1780]

Sure, but for kids, especially those under 12 and unable to get vaccinated, Covid really *is* just like the flu, if not less harmful for even younger folks. Also, if their parents are vaccinated/protected, they're a lot less likely to get it.

Yeah, today CDC basically went on the record saying they feel good about vaccines in preventing both spread and providing protection.

This specific Israel study was cited.

The Israeli study, which was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, showed the vaccine was 97% effective against symptomatic Covid-19 and 86% effective against asymptomatic infection in over 5,000 health care workers.

[Pete]

Yeah, today CDC basically went on the record saying they feel good about vaccines in preventing both spread and providing protection.

But kids aren't getting vaccinated and can still transmit, so they should be counted in any vaccination percentage as it pertains to herd immunity.

[oklip955]

Here is one of my concerns, the CDC is saying that in some situations fully vaccinated individuals do not need to wear a mask. I am thinking, many non vaccinated people will go , oh well now I dont have to wear one so off goes my mask. Those of us who cannot get vaccinated will have no way to tell if someone is vaccinated and not wearing a mask or if that person without a mask is using this as an excuse. What are we to do? I guess I will be wearing KN95s from now on when out.

[Pete]

From my experience, a good percentage of people have already stopped wearing masks, even where mandated.

I was in Penn Square yesterday with clearly posted "facecovering required" signs at all the entrances, but I'd say only about half the people had both their nose and mouth properly covered.

I'm noticing more of the same at most other places.

And I suspect the non-maskers are also the same group that won't get the virus.


I feel for the people who can't (rather than just would rather not) get the vaccine. I don't think the vaccination rate in Oklahoma is going up much higher than it is now.

[Rover]

Here is one of my concerns, the CDC is saying that in some situations fully vaccinated individuals do not need to wear a mask. I am thinking, many non vaccinated people will go , oh well now I dont have to wear one so off goes my mask. Those of us who cannot get vaccinated will have no way to tell if someone is vaccinated and not wearing a mask or if that person without a mask is using this as an excuse. What are we to do? I guess I will be wearing KN95s from now on when out.

They will infect each other, not you. That was the point of the CDC announcement yesterday. You can’t keep people from infecting and killing the rest of their paranoid herd. This is probably why societies evolve... the weak (physically and mentally) tend to die off.

[BDP]

This will effectively repeal most mask mandates across the country.

Maybe not:

An anti-vax conspiracy theory is apparently making anti-maskers consider masking up, social distancing

LOL!

[ditm4567]

Hand up: once I hit that two week mark following my second vaccine, I stopped even carrying a mask.

[Pete]

151 new cases today (last 3 Fridays: 234, 374, 304); 7-day rolling average continues to drop at 171 and is the lowest since 6/14/20.

7 additional reported deaths; 7-day rolling average 4.9.

Hospitalizations are 130 (-9).

ICU is 36 (-2).

[jerrywall]

They will infect each other, not you. That was the point of the CDC announcement yesterday. You can’t keep people from infecting and killing the rest of their paranoid herd. This is probably why societies evolve... the weak (physically and mentally) tend to die off.

I'd be all on board the pro-Darwinism train if there weren't folks out there unable to get the vaccine for legit medical reasons.

[Pete]

I'd be all on board the pro-Darwinism train if there weren't folks out there unable to get the vaccine for legit medical reasons.

Which is exactly why the entire anti-vax movement is so selfish and dangerous.

[d-usa]

Hand up: once I hit that two week mark following my second vaccine, I stopped even carrying a mask.

Did you stop going to stores that require mask, or are you ignoring their rules?

[BoulderSooner]

Did you stop going to stores that require mask, or are you ignoring their rules?

this is not a pro or anti mask comment ...


very very few restaurants or stores enforce their mask signs even if they have them posted ...

costco is one that absolutely does ..

[king183]

Which is exactly why the entire anti-vax movement is so selfish and dangerous.

BINGO! The ignorance of the anti-vaccine movement bothers me greatly, but the unadulterated selfishness and disregard for their vulnerable brothers and sisters in the community is what makes me most angry.

They are entirely fine with, and complicit in, endangering a child undergoing cancer treatment or one of our elders who has an immune disorder and many others who have real medical reasons that make them more vulnerable or unable to get vaccinations. It's truly pathetic.

[d-usa]

this is not a pro or anti mask comment ...


very very few restaurants or stores enforce their mask signs even if they have them posted ...

costco is one that absolutely does ..

If there is a sign saying it’s required it shouldn’t matter if staff is enforcing it. The sign is the enforcement, staff shouldn’t have to risk verbal abuse talking to people who already ignore the sign to begin with.

[oklip955]

Thank you, I agree completely. Well said.

[BoulderSooner]

If there is a sign saying it’s required it shouldn’t matter if staff is enforcing it. The sign is the enforcement, staff shouldn’t have to risk verbal abuse talking to people who already ignore the sign to begin with.

i agree with you ...

[dankrutka]

This is probably why societies evolve... the weak (physically and mentally) tend to die off.

And we have our eugenics quote of the day! WTF. Didn’t expect to see someone propping up pseudoscientific Social Darwinism when I logged into OKCTalk. There’s probably some Nazi boards that would be more into this kind of thing. And, to be clear, this is a complete distortion of evolutionary theory.

[ditm4567]

If there is a sign saying it’s required it shouldn’t matter if staff is enforcing it. The sign is the enforcement, staff shouldn’t have to risk verbal abuse talking to people who already ignore the sign to begin with.

I stopped acknowledging signs that "enforce" the masks when staff members don't even wear them anymore. Explain to me like I am a three year old how I am doing any harm by not wearing a mask when I am vaccinated, if according to reports those that are vaccinated are unlikely to spread the virus?

At some point it must be acknowledged that those that aren't vaccinated aren't going to be anytime soon, either by way of choice or medical conditions. Oklahomans have had ample opportunities to get the vaccine (March 16, 2021 several tribes opened up appointments to all).

[dankrutka]

I stopped acknowledging signs that "enforce" the masks when staff members don't even wear them anymore. Explain to me like I am a three year old how I am doing any harm by not wearing a mask when I am vaccinated, if according to reports those that are vaccinated are unlikely to spread the virus?

At some point it must be acknowledged that those that aren't vaccinated aren't going to be anytime soon, either by way of choice or medical conditions. Oklahomans have had ample opportunities to get the vaccine (March 16, 2021 several tribes opened up appointments to all).

A lot of people are still transitioning back into the world and you’re causing them a lot of anxiety. For immunocompromised folks who can’t get vaccinated it’s likely even worse. Carrying a mask and wearing it indoors is a social cue and way of caring about others.

[d-usa]

I stopped acknowledging signs that "enforce" the masks when staff members don't even wear them anymore. Explain to me like I am a three year old how I am doing any harm by not wearing a mask when I am vaccinated, if according to reports those that are vaccinated are unlikely to spread the virus?

Because the owners of the private property have a requirement for entering the privately owned business, same as the always existing "no shoes, no shirt, no service" rule. Nobody has to explain stuff to you, nobody has to remind you, nobody has to explain or justify what staff does or even what other customers do, if you are able to read "mask required" on a sign and you ignore it, it tells everybody around you exactly what kind of person you are.

It's like the "shopping cart" test: you can tell a lot about an individual (and even a society) by watching if they return a shopping cart. And you can tell a lot about an individual by watching if they follow the "mask required" sign.

[C_M_25]

You guys see that we now have an India variant cluster in Cleveland co?

Good to know that we’re still allowing free movement of people from India into the states...

[DowntownMan]

Walmart, Sams, Costco and Trader Joe’s have now announced no masks required in their stores for vaccinated customers.

I expect many more store to follow suit given recent CDC guidelines.