Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

And that's assuming 85% of the population will accept being vaccinated, which is nowhere close to a sure thing and probably an unattainable goal, given how much of the population thinks the virus is fake, the vaccination is insidious somehow, etc.

But there is a big difference because people who won't take the vaccination are only hurting themselves.

Up until this point, irresponsible behavior has potentially hurt everyone.

[C_M_25]

But there is a big difference because people who won't take the vaccination are only hurting themselves.

Up until this point, irresponsible behavior has potentially hurt everyone.

This isn’t entirely true. A recent study showed that this virus, when exposed to antibodies for an extended period of time, will mutate such that those antibodies no longer affect the virus. I’ll link the study on my next post. The relevant part of this is that the longer this virus can move about the population, the higher the chances it mutates and renders our immunity (vaccine or otherwise) useless.

While it is true that they’re only hurting themselves in the short term, they’re upping the ante for hurting all of us in the long term.

[C_M_25]

Here is the study I referenced above:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...12.28.424451v1

[Pete]

This isn’t entirely true. A recent study showed that this virus, when exposed to antibodies for an extended period of time, will mutate such that those antibodies no longer affect the virus. I’ll link the study on my next post. The relevant part of this is that the longer this virus can move about the population, the higher the chances it mutates and renders our immunity (vaccine or otherwise) useless.

While it is true that they’re only hurting themselves in the short term, they’re upping the ante for hurting all of us in the long term.

Yes, but like the flu, they will continue to evolve the vaccines and if you continue to take them as many do with the flu, you should be in pretty good shape.

I get a flu shot every year and haven't had the disease in 40 years.

[Bunty]

Bars have been allowed to return to closing at 2 am at least through Jan. 8. I sure won't be there tonight, especially at midnight.

Judge Delays Hearing On Emergency Covid Rules. Rules Suspended. Stitt May Call Special Session Over Vaccine Distribution At Nursing Homes. https://www.soonerpolitics.org/edito...IoP-XwYCzEhfPo

Even though OSU is not in session, cases in Stillwater continue well into the double digits. 88 on Wednesday and 65 today. Things have let up some at the covid unit at Stillwater hospital where 9 non-ICU beds were available Wednesday morning.

A worker at an insurance office where my friend works came down with covid. The office was fumigated.

[Bill Robertson]

And that's assuming 85% of the population will accept being vaccinated, which is nowhere close to a sure thing and probably an unattainable goal, given how much of the population thinks the virus is fake, the vaccination is insidious somehow, etc.

I'm normally a "put others before myself" guy so this really isn't like me. But. I've come to the conclusion that as long as my wife and I get the vaccine and are safe then those that refuse to are on their own.

[d-usa]

Got my shot, and that little card feels like a million bucks in my hands.

[Pete]

Got my shot, and that little card feels like a million bucks in my hands.

Awesome. Can't wait to get mine.

[Pete]

I'm normally a "put others before myself" guy so this really isn't like me. But. I've come to the conclusion that as long as my wife and I get the vaccine and are safe then those that refuse to are on their own.

Yep.

Especially because the legions of politically-driven deniers couldn't be troubled with the smallest inconvenience for their fellow man.

[dankrutka]

But there is a big difference because people who won't take the vaccination are only hurting themselves.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there groups of people with certain medical conditions who likely cannot get a COVID-19 vaccine because of the effects it would have on them... and that's one of the reasons it's so critical to see vaccination not as an individual choice but a civic responsibility?

[TheTravellers]

I'm normally a "put others before myself" guy so this really isn't like me. But. I've come to the conclusion that as long as my wife and I get the vaccine and are safe then those that refuse to are on their own.

You probably know this, but just reiterating it for people that don't - nobody knows if you're "safe" from getting it again, the vaccines only prevents serious symptoms, probably not protection from being infected with the virus.

[TheTravellers]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there groups of people with certain medical conditions who likely cannot get a COVID-19 vaccine because of the effects it would have on them... and that's one of the reasons it's so critical to see vaccination not as an individual choice but a civic responsibility?

More than likely, yes, that's the case, just like with all the other vaccines.

[SEMIweather]

I'm crossing my fingers that airlines, arenas, event venues, etc. eventually require proof of vaccination for entry...though it probably won't happen so long as the vaccines are only under an EUA.

[Bill Robertson]

You probably know this, but just reiterating it for people that don't - nobody knows if you're "safe" from getting it again, the vaccines only prevents serious symptoms, probably not protection from being infected with the virus.

I'm not sure the verdict is in on the absolute effect of the vaccine. But if it doesn't really prevent it then we as a society are screwed because it will never end. It will just continually spread but in a lesser severity in those who are vaccinated and a greater extent in those who aren't. That is a future that the best horror movie writers can't match.

[Mott]

I'm not sure the verdict is in on the absolute effect of the vaccine. But if it doesn't really prevent it then we as a society are screwed because it will never end. It will just continually spread but in a lesser severity in those who are vaccinated and a greater extent in those who aren't. That is a future that the best horror movie writers can't match.

And imagine that horror movie as directed by Stitt, and the OK legislature.

[SEMIweather]

I'm not sure the verdict is in on the absolute effect of the vaccine. But if it doesn't really prevent it then we as a society are screwed because it will never end. It will just continually spread but in a lesser severity in those who are vaccinated and a greater extent in those who aren't. That is a future that the best horror movie writers can't match.

Most of the articles I've read suggest that given the 95% efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, they're likely to also prevent transmission at least to a certain extent. It's going to take some time to prove one way or the other, though. Also keep in mind that these are the very first vaccines that have been developed, they should be able to continue to tinker and improve them as time goes on (and indeed, they'll probably have to be updated eventually to deal with additional mutations).

[Bill Robertson]

Most of the articles I've read suggest that given the 95% efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, they're likely to also prevent transmission at least to a certain extent. It's going to take some time to prove one way or the other, though. Also keep in mind that these are the very first vaccines that have been developed, they should be able to continue to tinker and improve them as time goes on (and indeed, they'll probably have to be updated eventually to deal with additional mutations).

I not only agree 100% I pray that all this is true.

[silvergrove]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there groups of people with certain medical conditions who likely cannot get a COVID-19 vaccine because of the effects it would have on them... and that's one of the reasons it's so critical to see vaccination not as an individual choice but a civic responsibility?

Folks with potential allergies to previous vaccinations and those with severely-immunocompromised health related issues (think folks on chemo) would greatly appreciate if we can protect them. I'm scheduled for my vaccine this coming Saturday and I cannot wait.

[silvergrove]

I'm not sure the verdict is in on the absolute effect of the vaccine. But if it doesn't really prevent it then we as a society are screwed because it will never end. It will just continually spread but in a lesser severity in those who are vaccinated and a greater extent in those who aren't. That is a future that the best horror movie writers can't match.

Evidence is pretty darn decent for the efficacy rate of the vaccine. This figure is adapted from the data that Moderna presented to the FDA from this pdf: https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

This will be figure 2 on page 28 of the document. What's exciting is this is a double blinded experiment (the person receiving the dose and the person preparing the vaccine do not know the contents as not to bias the results). Only a select few running the experiment know who got the real vaccine vs. the placebo. The graph is charted to represent cumulative number of COVID-19 cases from day 0 of the experiment. Protective immunity starts to work within 10-12 days of injection and that's where the placebo shots and the real shots start to diverge.

[Bill Robertson]

Evidence is pretty darn decent for the efficacy rate of the vaccine. This figure is adapted from the data that Moderna presented to the FDA from this pdf: https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

This will be figure 2 on page 28 of the document. What's exciting is this is a double blinded experiment (the person receiving the dose and the person preparing the vaccine do not know the contents as not to bias the results). Only a select few running the experiment know who got the real vaccine vs. the placebo. The graph is charted to represent cumulative number of COVID-19 cases from day 0 of the experiment. Protective immunity starts to work within 10-12 days of injection and that's where the placebo shots and the real shots start to diverge.

Sorry you typed so much. I know that. I wasn't really going for a technical statement so much as a dire prediction of where we are if for some reason the vaccine didn't work. I'm confident it does.

[mkjeeves]

My sis in Atlanta has appointment to get vaccinated Tuesday. She’s the first of 65 and over general population I’m connected to getting one. Easy peasy if it happens. It was announced. She called and made an appointment. I hope our rollout to the larger populations is A: Soon. B: Fast and easy.

Imagine.

I’m not holding my breath.

[SouthOfTheVillage]

Yep.

Especially because the legions of politically-driven deniers couldn't be troubled with the smallest inconvenience for their fellow man.

It’s actually pretty scary to see how many people care about precisely nothing except themselves. It’s a decent enough minority of people.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Cleveland County opened up a vaccine clinic at Sooner mall for first responders, healthcare workers and anyone over 65. Filled up in an hour.

[Pete]

It appears that the vaccines are being coordinated at the county level.

[Jersey Boss]

Do the county health departments give advance notification on their website or what?