Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Even then, people will have to be willing to take the test, and that's not guaranteed for a large percentage of the population, most likely (and sadly).

Reasons people are not testing (note the similarities with HIV testing pre-Western blot and Elisa).
1. It's not free for everyone.
2. The sensitivity and specificity varies based on type of test and skill of test giver.
3. Positive test may result in stigma, ostracized from others, and resultant impact on work, relationships, mental health.
4. Fatalism. The belief that there is nothing to be done if they contract the disease and nothing that will change the predestined outcome.

[dankrutka]

So you don't believe there are lots of asymptomatic people that have the virus but never get tested because they have no reason to believe they need to? Like me for instance? It was estimated at the beginning that 80% of cases are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. I haven't seen anything dispute that. The CDC estimated as late as late July that lack of testing was causing many positives to be missed. I haven't seen anything from them changing that stance and I've searched. If you have something let me know where.

Do you really think that researchers just didn't think about asymptomatic people who don't get tested? Scientists have studied these topics and published papers on them. They account for everything you mentioned and come up with pretty low infection numbers still.

For those struggling to keep up with the news, the New York times has a good daily newsletter: https://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/...virus-briefing

[TheTravellers]

Reasons people are not testing (note the similarities with HIV testing pre-Western blot and Elisa).
1. It's not free for everyone.
2. The sensitivity and specificity varies based on type of test and skill of test giver.
3. Positive test may result in stigma, ostracized from others, and resultant impact on work, relationships, mental health.
4. Fatalism. The belief that there is nothing to be done if they contract the disease and nothing that will change the predestined outcome.

Yep, agreed, but that's for *current* testing, I was talking about the hypothetical of an at-home test that was easy and cheap (which C_M_25 didn't really say, but is kind of implied by "rapid, in-home").

[kukblue1]

How many people are just slightly sick that don't get tested cause they don't want that swab shoved up their nose. Hell no for me that looks painful. We are getting closer to herd immunity every day.

[Bill Robertson]

Do you really think that researchers just didn't think about asymptomatic people who don't get tested? Scientists have studied these topics and published papers on them. They account for everything you mentioned and come up with pretty low infection numbers still.

For those struggling to keep up with the news, the New York times has a good daily newsletter: https://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/...virus-briefing

I just have trouble seeing how researchers can analyze non-data. Asymptomatic people that don't get tested don't generate any data so how can that be analyzed? Until we have universal, regular testing for both virus and antibodies we won't have an accurate picture of how many people have or had the virus. And that probably isn't going to happen.

[dankrutka]

How many people are just slightly sick that don't get tested cause they don't want that swab shoved up their nose. Hell no for me that looks painful. We are getting closer to herd immunity every day.

Another day, another kublue1 post of absurdity on something that has been clarified repeatedly in this thread. HERD. IMMUNITY. AIN'T. HAPPENING... unless by vaccine.

We are not getting anywhere close to herd immunity. Herd immunity would probably require a couple years of high deaths and then we still might not get it because we're not even sure how long immunity lasts. Herd immunity is either a pipe dream or conspiracy theory, but it ain't happening without a vaccine. Period.

[dankrutka]

I just have trouble seeing how researchers can analyze non-data. Asymptomatic people that don't get tested don't generate any data so how can that be analyzed? Until we have universal, regular testing for both virus and antibodies we won't have an accurate picture of how many people have or had the virus. And that probably isn't going to happen.

Studies like this are common. You just have to survey a generalizable sample of people on the topic. It's really pretty straightforward.

[Bill Robertson]

Studies like this are common. You just have to survey a generalizable sample of people on the topic. It's really pretty straightforward.

Surveying people on a topic yes. I have no problem with that. But analyzing a virus would require actually testing that sizable sample of people that don't otherwise think they need to be tested.

[dankrutka]

Surveying people on a topic yes. I have no problem with that. But analyzing a virus would require actually testing that sizable sample of people that don't otherwise think they need to be tested.

They could also test a number of untested people to generalize too. It's really silly for us to have a methodological conversations when you can just go read the studies. They've already been done. Again, we already have solid scientific knowledge on this topic. You don't have to make wild guesses.

[Timshel]

As a former student of Deacon Grover, this news hit hard. If you were to poll McGuinness graduates on who their favorite teacher was, he would easily be top 2. R.I.P.

Agreed. Also was in the same class as one of his children. This hits the entire McGuinness community hard and I feel for the many years' worth of students that won't get to know him in the future (contrary to what is often said about people who pass away from Covid, Mr. Grover wasn't on his deathbed or anything of the sort - he had many many years in front of him to continue positively affecting peoples' lives). If any "good" comes out of this, hopefully it will encourage people in the McGuinness community that previously didn't take it seriously to change their tune.

Reading the Grover family's Facebook posts over the past few days was heartbreaking and incredibly sad as to how quickly things went from bad to worse and how they tried to get him moved to a hospital with more aggressive treatment options but were apparently hampered by lack of bed availability.

Ts & Ps to the Grover family, who have been an amazing example of extreme grace in an unimaginably tragic experience - an experience that has been and will continue to be experienced by far too many people going forward.

[Bill Robertson]

They could also test a number of untested people to generalize too.

Exactly what I've said would have to be done. But is this what was done?

[Bill Robertson]

Dr. Mike Ryan, director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme says that globally numbers do not represent the real number of infections.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...s-who/12733992

[Pete]

Today's numbers have been delayed by tech difficulties.

[soonerguru]

Agreed. Also was in the same class as one of his children. This hits the entire McGuinness community hard and I feel for the many years' worth of students that won't get to know him in the future (contrary to what is often said about people who pass away from Covid, Mr. Grover wasn't on his deathbed or anything of the sort - he had many many years in front of him to continue positively affecting peoples' lives). If any "good" comes out of this, hopefully it will encourage people in the McGuinness community that previously didn't take it seriously to change their tune.

Reading the Grover family's Facebook posts over the past few days was heartbreaking and incredibly sad as to how quickly things went from bad to worse and how they tried to get him moved to a hospital with more aggressive treatment options but were apparently hampered by lack of bed availability.

Ts & Ps to the Grover family, who have been an amazing example of extreme grace in an unimaginably tragic experience - an experience that has been and will continue to be experienced by far too many people going forward.

So sorry to hear of your loss. No lives are expendable, yet this man touched many people's lives.

I really wish people here would stop getting distracted by bizarre theories and unsupported arguments. Weeding through the back and forth of someone simply shooting from the hip with no basis of support is mentally draining.

For months, we had Covid deniers here who kept saying mindless rubble like "new case counts don't matter." Their claim was that only deaths and hospitalizations matter. Well, so here we are now with record hospitalizations and deaths and where did they go? My guess is they are mining conspiracy sites and propaganda outlets trying to foment a new argument.

I see that "herd immunity" made its way back in the discussion.

Gross.

[Pete]

1,221 new cases today.

7-day rolling average is 1,182, yet another all-time high.


Still waiting on the rest of the daily info.

[Pete]

11 additional deaths reported.

Hospitalizations 781 (+32), an all-time high.

ICU 293 (+4), an all-time high.

217 new cases in OK County.

[C_M_25]

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

[FighttheGoodFight]

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

The reinfection rates has been seemingly low so far. Still a lot we don't know and researchers will learn more as we go on. These aren't normal times but try to not let that dread get into your head. Hope you stay safe and are doing well.

[catcherinthewry]

Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

This makes Trump's decision to pull out of the WHO all the more self-defeating. As long as the virus exists anywhere in the world it has the capacity to re-emerge as a pandemic worldwide.

[Bill Robertson]

The reinfection rates has been seemingly low so far. Still a lot we don't know and researchers will learn more as we go on. These aren't normal times but try to not let that dread get into your head. Hope you stay safe and are doing well.

Thankfully the reinfection rate has been very low. But the fact that is seems to exist at all and that many reported reinfections are worse than the first is concerning. And scary. I was pretty much terrified of getting it because of my age and conditions. Then I barely had it. Now I'm pretty much terrified that if I'm one of the unlucky ones it will be bad the second time. I understand the dread setting in.

[RustytheBailiff]

It’s concerning when you start hearing that a group of leading covid researchers believe that this virus will be endemic and likely never truly go away. In fact, the only virus which we have taken out has been smallpox. All other major pandemic-related viruses are still around. We do get a break with other virus that’s related to seasonality. This virus doesn’t respond to seasons...clearly. That’s really concerning. Even countries that have beat it back have to be diligent as one slip and covid will run rampant again.

It’s especially concerning that our own immunity only lasts 3-4 months, and you’re starting to hear several stories of reinfections where the 2nd round is way worse than the first. This is really concerning as ADE becomes something serious to consider.

Annnnd that feeling of dread is setting back in...

If immunity only lasts three or four months for those that have had it, how will a vaccination last any longer?

[C_M_25]

If immunity only lasts three or four months for those that have had it, how will a vaccination last any longer?

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?

[Bill Robertson]

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?

If I have to I'll just have a standing quarterly appointment with my doctor. No big deal. Just call me pincushion.

[BDP]

The proper vaccine can elicit a stronger immune response than our natural reaction especially in the case of boosters.

Even if it doesn’t, I would still get stuck 3-4x’s a year if needed.

Also, some vaccines are being tested as inhaled options through a nebulizer. These could be taken as much as needed. If you could get something like that around the world, we could snuff this thing out. How many years would that take though?

Probably a lot longer than what has been shown to contain it.

A vaccine will be nice, but we don't have to choose for hundreds of thousands of more people to die from it while we wait.

[Bunty]

It's been proven that people in less than good health are hit hardest by COVID-19. If losing weight is needed, do it. Good nutrition not based on junk food is needed. If pre-diabetic, do something about it. If not physically active do something about it. Sitting down all the time isn't being physically active. It's all the more important, if you're past age 65. That's no time to live in the rocking chair.