Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Bill Robertson]

Are we really back to the discredited "we have more sick people because we test more" craziness? If anything, we should be concerned about all we don't test and know about who are going about spreading it in the general population that will lead to more sickness and more death.

Actually the fact that we've been staying right around 9% positivity and the average new cases have closely followed the same curve as test results processed can't be argued.
However, this doesn't make the situation look better, it only supports your point that we should be extremely concerned about the numbers of people spreading the virus that aren't being tested. If we averaged 100,000 tests per day or 1,000,000 tests per day it's perfectly logical to expect we'd see 10,000 or 100,000 positive results per day. Everyone just needs to go about things as if everyone, including yourself, has the virus.

[Pete]

Yesterday, Oklahoma was #8 in new per capita cases.

And we've now passed California, once considered a raging hotbed, in total cases per capita.

[jedicurt]

Yesterday, Oklahoma was #8 in new per capita cases.

And we've now passed California, once considered a raging hotbed, in total cases per capita.

we are shooting for number 1.... all of those people on here who always say they are tired of seeing Oklahoma the bottom of lists, are going to get their wish granted!!!

[soonerguru]

Top Ten State, Baby!

Hold on for a moment while I pull down my gaiter and breathe my vapors into your face.

[Bill Robertson]

We've been this bad for many weeks.

[Pete]

Numbers for today are delayed due to 'techincal difficulties'.

[d-usa]

Did they have a news conference earlier?

[kukblue1]

I could be wrong but didn't we have record numbers or close to record numbers the last couple times this has happen. They probably are shocked by the numbers and want to double check them.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Did they have a news conference earlier?

Department of Health did, yes.

[Bunty]

The state is in the second wave now. This one is already exceeding the outbreak we saw in July through early August, and the hard-headedness of so many Oklahomans (even willful delusion) indicates this is going to get way, way worse. I think it will get bad enough we will see a second shutdown, because stubborn stupidity and rudderless leadership.

I don't think there will be a second shutdown as long as the most vulnerable people are taking precautions. They appear to be doing a good enough job of doing that for now. Those over 65 make up only 13.39% of cases. In the early going it was much higher than that.

Those very low death rates in all age groups could make too many people complacent. If available, I'd like to see the percentage of infected people who still feel less than well after testing negative. The long term effects, though, are surely a still developing story.

[kukblue1]

I don't think there will be a second shutdown as long as the most vulnerable people are taking precautions. They appear to be doing a good enough job of doing that for now. Those over 65 make up only 13.39% of cases. In the early going it was much higher than that.

Those very low death rates in all age groups could make too many people complacent. If available, I'd like to see the percentage of infected people who still feel less than well after testing negative. The long term effects, though, are surely a still developing story.

Not trying to get this board in a uproar but I think I read somewhere if your under 35 you are 5 times more likely to die in a car crash and under 25 your more likely to die of the flu. I'm sure the story is somewhere others will find it but this is why another shut down will never happen. As far as long term effects still early to tell in young people but it doesn't look like a major deal as of now. Of course the media is going to find those people that are still sick and put them all over tv but overall as far as I can find from doctors is that it's low.

Edit: https://freopp.org/estimating-the-ri...e-630aea3ae5a9 Just one story so take it for what it's worth.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

If available, I'd like to see the percentage of infected people who still feel less than well after testing negative. The long term effects, though, are surely a still developing story.

There's no good way to track how "complete" a person's recovery is, and Oklahoma using the metric of "discharged from hospital=recovery" is not capturing the full picture. Figuring out who will be a long -hauler and what traits they share is being looked at, but right now it's solely based on whether a "recovered" patient self-reports to a dr.

[Bill Robertson]

I could be wrong but didn't we have record numbers or close to record numbers the last couple times this has happen. They probably are shocked by the numbers and want to double check them.

That happened once months ago. There have been many delayed results since that the numbers were just what would be expected.

[soonerguru]

Not trying to get this board in a uproar but I think I read somewhere if your under 35 you are 5 times more likely to die in a car crash and under 25 your more likely to die of the flu. I'm sure the story is somewhere others will find it but this is why another shut down will never happen. As far as long term effects still early to tell in young people but it doesn't look like a major deal as of now. Of course the media is going to find those people that are still sick and put them all over tv but overall as far as I can find from doctors is that it's low.

We haven't even gone a full trip around the sun with this virus. COVID-19 is now the number four cause of death in the US. Young people may not necessarily die but they do experience serious symptoms, and long-term impacts are not fully known. Plus, as has been stated, young people don't live in isolation.

[Bill Robertson]

There's no good way to track how "complete" a person's recovery is, and Oklahoma using the metric of "discharged from hospital=recovery" is not capturing the full picture. Figuring out who will be a long -hauler and what traits they share is being looked at, but right now it's solely based on whether a "recovered" patient self-reports to a dr.

Yeah. The recovered stats aren't good. But since July 20 the CDC says you're good if:

Patients with mild to moderate illness who are not severely immunocompromised:
At least 10 days have passed since symptoms first appeared and
At least 24 hours have passed since last fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
Symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath) have improved

or

Patients with severe to critical illness or who are severely immunocompromised:
At least 10 days and up to 20 days have passed since symptoms first appeared and
At least 24 hours have passed since last fever without the use of fever-reducing medications and
Symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath) have improved
Consider consultation with infection control experts

[Pete]

1,083 new cases today; an unprecedented 8 days in a row over 1,000.

7-day rolling average now 1,132, a new all-time high.

184 cases in OK County.

593 hospitalized.

11 reported statewide deaths.

[OKCRT]

1,083 new cases today; an unprecedented 8 days in a row over 1,000.

7-day rolling average now 1,132, a new all-time high.

184 cases in OK County.

593 hospitalized.

11 reported statewide deaths.

I am starting to believe that the only way to stop this is to just shut everything down for however long it takes. Could the state survive a 3-6 month total lockdown? It's obvious that masks and 6 ft. distance is not nearly enough to stop the spread. So what's left? Lockdown? If Biden gets elected he might have to force a lockdown in certain areas if the numbers keep rising. Trump will not do this

[TheTravellers]

I am starting to believe that the only way to stop this is to just shut everything down for however long it takes. Could the state survive a 3-6 month total lockdown? It's obvious that masks and 6 ft. distance is not nearly enough to stop the spread. So what's left? Lockdown? If Biden gets elected he might have to force a lockdown in certain areas if the numbers keep rising. Trump will not do this

I posted this at least once, way back months ago, worth posting again, and please read the entire article, not just my excerpt.

https://coronavirus.medium.com/we-ca...o-64abc91ccc1c

"Let’s say we threw the kitchen sink at Covid-19 in the U.S. Let’s say we started now with the goal of being open for business in October — meaning schools, in-person voting, sports, everything. If we did everything. What would happen?

So let’s define the kitchen sink:

1. Start with universal mask wearing. We didn’t do this in March and April, and let’s chalk it up to faulty instructions. But we know better now.

2. Keep the bars and restaurants and churches and transit closed. All hot spots.

3. Prohibit interstate travel.

4. Prohibit travel into the country (no one will let us into their country so that shouldn’t be hard).

5. Have hotels set up to allow people with symptoms to isolate from their families at no cost.

6. Instead of 50% lockdown (which is what we did in March and April), let’s say it’s a 90% lockdown. Meaning most of the Americans who couldn’t stay home in April because they were picking crops or driving trucks or working in health care would stay home with us."

But we have super-sh***y "leadership" that won't do any of those things, so we're screwed. Not sure if we could ever do numbers 3 and 4 totally, but the rest are do-able, if we had real governments at the federal and state levels that would actually care about the long-term health of their citizens rather than the short-term consumer economy.

[Pete]

Really, if we and other states just followed the guidelines provided by the white house task force, that would solve 90% of this.

A big part of this is ALL leaders getting behind the guidelines instead of mocking, disregarding and claiming there is no way to enforce.

[TheTravellers]

Really, if we and other states just followed the guidelines provided by the white house task force, that would solve 90% of this.

A big part of this is ALL leaders getting behind the guidelines instead of mocking, disregarding and claiming there is no way to enforce.

Be nice if companies hired some of millions of unemployed to work as mask enforcers, and empower them to confront, throw out, and if necessary, call 911 to report maskholes as trespassers if they refuse to leave after being asked to do so or wear a mask.

[pw405]

Quick update on the cases & deaths trend. Y axis value for cases now increased to account for new record high cases.

The 7-day average case record has been broken on 9-21, 9-22, 9-23, and 9-24 by my count. The daily case trend seems to show some signs the rate of increase is slowing... but this is worse than I could have imagined.

[RustytheBailiff]

I posted this at least once, way back months ago, worth posting again, and please read the entire article, not just my excerpt.

https://coronavirus.medium.com/we-ca...o-64abc91ccc1c

"Let’s say we threw the kitchen sink at Covid-19 in the U.S. Let’s say we started now with the goal of being open for business in October — meaning schools, in-person voting, sports, everything. If we did everything. What would happen?

So let’s define the kitchen sink:

1. Start with universal mask wearing. We didn’t do this in March and April, and let’s chalk it up to faulty instructions. But we know better now.

2. Keep the bars and restaurants and churches and transit closed. All hot spots.

3. Prohibit interstate travel.

4. Prohibit travel into the country (no one will let us into their country so that shouldn’t be hard).

5. Have hotels set up to allow people with symptoms to isolate from their families at no cost.

6. Instead of 50% lockdown (which is what we did in March and April), let’s say it’s a 90% lockdown. Meaning most of the Americans who couldn’t stay home in April because they were picking crops or driving trucks or working in health care would stay home with us."

But we have super-sh***y "leadership" that won't do any of those things, so we're screwed. Not sure if we could ever do numbers 3 and 4 totally, but the rest are do-able, if we had real governments at the federal and state levels that would actually care about the long-term health of their citizens rather than the short-term consumer economy.

We still need rapid response testing, and lots of it.

[soonerguru]

We still need rapid response testing, and lots of it.

We have it. People just don't care.

[BDP]

It's obvious that masks and 6 ft. distance is not nearly enough to stop the spread.

In all due respect, that's not obvious at all. It would only be obvious if we were all doing that and it wasn't working. But, we're not, so you can't draw that conclusion.

Mandates or guidelines do not equal compliance. What IS obvious is that not everyone is simply wearing masks in public or avoiding large indoor gatherings.

The reality is that any future lockdowns would not be because masks and distancing are "not nearly enough to stop the spread". It would be because many people refused to do those things.

We don't have to have lockdowns to contain the virus. We just have to give a ****. And, unfortunately, that can't be mandated.

[Bill Robertson]

I am starting to believe that the only way to stop this is to just shut everything down for however long it takes. Could the state survive a 3-6 month total lockdown? It's obvious that masks and 6 ft. distance is not nearly enough to stop the spread. So what's left? Lockdown? If Biden gets elected he might have to force a lockdown in certain areas if the numbers keep rising. Trump will not do this

I could be wrong but isn't shutting EVERYTHING down for 3 months or more pretty much what Italy and NYC did ? Look at the severe upward trends in both of those places since reopening. I don't think a complete lockdown will work unless we're willing to do it indefinitely and put ourselves in an NBA or NHL type bubble. And unfortunately I don't think we'd like the world we'd come out to after a year or more of complete shut down. If you reopen with any cases out there to spread the virus it won't be long before numbers are scary again. We won't be done with this virus until we have a proven vaccine and can get it distributed. The best course of action would be a universal mask and distancing law. But that's a whole new can of worms especially right now when police are looked at by so many as an abusive enemy so who could effectively enforce mask and distancing laws. The virus plus the unrelated social unrest is the perfect storm for a virus. There just isn't a good answer to this virus.