Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

In fairness, this isn’t an easy virus to contain. There were a lot of folks in this thread spiking the football when Europe contained the first wave, but that continent is now in the middle of a fairly significant 2nd wave, and there’s less political willingness to order new lockdowns. So I’d imagine they will continue to see increased case counts.

There’s only a small handful of countries that have dealt with it successfully and they are all (a) authoritarian; (b) island nations; (c) have recent experience with Viruses or (d) have some combination of the the above.

Just seems like Westernized Democracies aren’t designed to handle this type of threat. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. We enjoy a lot of freedoms they don’t have in Russia or China. But those freedoms can prove costly when dealing with a collective problem.

Nonsense from someone who has been banned twice and keeps re-registering under new names. Your IP is now blocked so hopefully we are finally rid of you.

Just repeating false propaganda and lies from politicians desperately trying to excuse their complete failure, and enabling them in the process.


To demonstrate the absurdity of this comparison, deaths yesterday:

U.S. 1,090

Then, the countries with the most deaths in Europe:
Spain 71
UK 14
France 19
Italy 10
Germany 9

And...
Canada 8

[Bill Robertson]

You mean the New Normal which I got ripped apart for saying a month ago. Yeah go back and look.

No. I did not “rip” you for calling this a new normal. I agree with that completely! I “ripped” you for adding the last line “for a couple months”. This is going to be for MUCH longer than a couple months.

[kukblue1]

No. I did not “rip” you for calling this a new normal. I agree with that completely! I “ripped” you for adding the last line “for a couple months”. This is going to be for MUCH longer than a couple months.

Fair enough. I was trying to be positive by saying a couple of months. Hopefully it will be if we get a treatment or vaccine.

[Pete]

942 new cases today; 800 7-day rolling average.

12 additional deaths reported.

[TheTravellers]

White House Coronavirus Task Force 9/6/20:


SUMMARY
• Oklahoma is in the red zone for cases, indicating more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population last week,with the 9th highest rate in the country. Oklahoma is in the red zone for test positivity, indicating a rate above 10%, with the 4th highest rate in the country....

RECOMMENDATIONS
...
• Bars must be closed, and indoor dining must be restricted to 50% of normal capacity in yellow zone and 25% of normal capacity in red zone counties and metro areas. Expand outdoor dining options....

And then there's this (from a NonDoc article):

"The Norman City Council voted 7-1 Tuesday night to allow bars, restaurants and outdoor patios to operate at 75 percent capacity on gamedays. "

[jerrywall]

And then there's this (from a NonDoc article):

"The Norman City Council voted 7-1 Tuesday night to allow bars, restaurants and outdoor patios to operate at 75 percent capacity on gamedays. "

If we're gonna kill a dozen Oklahomans a day we might as well get our Irish nachos and bud light while we watch our sports out of it?

[TheTravellers]

If we're gonna kill a dozen Oklahomans a day we might as well get our Irish nachos and bud light while we watch our sports out of it?

Irish nachos? I want to google it, but not really.

[Pete]

And then there's this (from a NonDoc article):

"The Norman City Council voted 7-1 Tuesday night to allow bars, restaurants and outdoor patios to operate at 75 percent capacity on gamedays. "

Tulsa and OKC aren't following the White House guidelines, either.

Bars are still open and many are crowded, dining rooms operating at higher than 25% capacity, schools and churches excepted from masks, etc.

[Tritoon]

Oklahoma state plans to collect but not publicly report school COVID cases


https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/...l-covid-cases/

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – The Oklahoma Department of Education is working on a process for collecting information on COVID-19 cases inside schools, a system officials with the Oklahoma Department of Health said they will support but will not take the lead on. However, there are no plans by the state to make this information public.

Positive cases in classrooms are an unavoidable reality as in-person learning environments enter their second month. While some Oklahoma school districts inform the public of cases, others do not.

Several states have begun reporting the data through either the department of health or the department of education, including Arkansas, Colorado, and Tennessee.

Family physician and the Oklahoma Academy of Family Physicians Legislative Committee co-chair Dr. Steven Crawford said it is critical for people to know what’s happening in schools.

“Many people don’t believe that it was important for schools to take the extra precautions for masking, social distancing, or even having virtual classrooms because the incidence wasn’t known,” Crawford said. “We have unfortunately seen that the incidence has been rapidly increasing since schools have opened.”

According to data collected by KOSU, more than 200 Oklahoma school districts have already had outbreaks. A Department of Education survey revealed approximately a third of Oklahoma school districts have not instituted any mask policy.

“Children not only get infected, but they take their infection to their families and increase the risk of serious infection to their family,” Dr. Crawford said.

Officials with the OSDH re-interpreted Oklahoma state statute, and last week, school districts were alerted that they are now required to immediately report positive COVID-19 cases to the state.

A spokesperson with the OSDE said they are working together with the OSDH and school districts on a streamlined process to collect that information.

However, neither state department has plans to share that information publicly.

State Epidemiologist Jared Taylor said this is in part for privacy reasons.

“In some situations, when you get into small rural communities, you can be disclosing quite a bit with a relatively little amount of information,” Taylor said.

He said the people who need to know will know, including those who may have been in contact with the infected person, the school and local health officials.

“We’re committed to transparency and reporting at the community level, just not seeking to break that down into ever finer detail as far as where a particular case or outbreak may be occurring whether that involves an educational setting and so forth,” Taylor said.

[TheTravellers]

Tulsa and OKC aren't following the White House guidelines, either.

Bars are still open and many are crowded, dining rooms operating at higher than 25% capacity, schools and churches excepted from masks, etc.

Yep, fully aware that pretty much nobody in a position of power is giving half a s**t about what we should be doing, it's full-steam ahead, damn the virus, party like it's 1999! Oklahoma sucks completely at doing the right thing, guess that's the "Oklahoma Standard" at work...

[Pete]

Yep, fully aware that pretty much nobody in a position of power is giving half a s**t about what we should be doing, it's full-steam ahead, damn the virus, party like it's 1999! Oklahoma sucks completely at doing the right thing, guess that's the "Oklahoma Standard" at work...

When it comes to this issue, it's 99% political.

The only reason anyone even knows about these reports is that one of them was leaked after our governor chose to conceal them.

[kukblue1]

I for one am starting to go stir crazy. We are both older and have some health issues. We haven't gone really anywhere in 6 months. We do have Jeff Duhman tickets but not sure about that many people. Going out to eat which we used to do 2 times a week still don't seem like a good ideal to us. That being said how are the casinos doing. We could go early middle of the week like noonish. Are they still limiting people. Are they clean. Is it easy to social distance. Thinking of going to Grand cause Grand Casino always seems roomie to me compared to the other ones. We been during the middle of the week before all this started and it's always seem pretty easy to stay 6 feet apart from others. Wondering if this still the case.

[Bill Robertson]

I for one am starting to go stir crazy. We are both older and have some health issues. We haven't gone really anywhere in 6 months. We do have Jeff Duhman tickets but not sure about that many people. Going out to eat which we used to do 2 times a week still don't seem like a good ideal to us. That being said how are the casinos doing. We could go early middle of the week like noonish. Are they still limiting people. Are they clean. Is it easy to social distance. Thinking of going to Grand cause Grand Casino always seems roomie to me compared to the other ones. We been during the middle of the week before all this started and it's always seem pretty easy to stay 6 feet apart from others. Wondering if this still the case.

The Grand and I think most of the other big casinos are only allowing every other machine to operate and are using plexiglass between them also. At least thats what the radio commercials say.

[Pete]

I think the situation is taking it's toll on almost everyone.

I used to go out almost every evening. Now, I maybe go once a month.

And I saw a ton of live music and movies, and haven't been to either since March. Haven't left OKC in that time frame.


I did go to Up-Down on Friday night and was impressed -- they do a really good job across the board. But it's not much fun to go out when everyone is wearing masks and people are social distancing. Rather defeats the purpose of going out in the first place and just creates a weird vibe.

Really missing football this time of year and although I'll watch on TV, it's not nearly the same. Had to pass on my OU season tickets which I've had for years.


Fauci said today that we shouldn't expect normalcy to return before the end of 2021, at the earliest. The whole thing is just depressing.

[Bill Robertson]

And then there's this (from a NonDoc article):

"The Norman City Council voted 7-1 Tuesday night to allow bars, restaurants and outdoor patios to operate at 75 percent capacity on gamedays. "

So as far as restaurants they’re still more strict than OKC since it has no restrictions. 75% for them VS 50% for bars in OKC but I can tell from the few popular bars I pass on the way home from work 50% is not being adhered to at all.

[Bill Robertson]

I think the situation is taking it's toll on almost everyone.

I used to go out almost every evening. Now, I maybe go once a month.

And I saw a ton of live music and movies, and haven't been to either since March. Haven't left OKC in that time frame.


I did go to Up-Down on Friday night and was impressed -- they do a really good job across the board. But it's not much fun to go out when everyone is wearing masks and people are social distancing. Rather defeats the purpose of going out in the first place and just creates a weird vibe.

Really missing football this time of year and although I'll watch on TV, it's not nearly the same. Had to pass on my OU season tickets which I've had for years.


Fauci said today that we shouldn't expect any degree of normalcy to return before the end of 2021. The whole thing is just depressing.

I’ve really felt from the “tone” of many of your posts as this has gone on that it’s getting to you. And with your lines of business and the circles it has you connected to I can especially see why it would. I have and will continue to send positive thoughts your way.

[Pete]

I’ve really felt from the “tone” of many of your posts as this has gone on that it’s getting to you. And with your lines of business and the circles it has you connected to I can especially see why it would. I have and will continue to send positive thoughts your way.

That's very kind.

I'm an extrovert and it's particularly hard on those of us who draw energy from other people. I've been experiencing something akin to a low-level depression for months.

And of course, I'm very worried about my business, especially because no one can even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

But beyond all that, I am legitimately concerned for the health and economic prosperity for the entire U.S. I've been heavily involved in business my entire adult life and have been saying from the outset we'll be dealing with the after effects for years to come. I still truly believe that things are going to get worse before we get back on the long, slow path to recovery.

[Pete]

I’ve really felt from the “tone” of many of your posts as this has gone on that it’s getting to you. And with your lines of business and the circles it has you connected to I can especially see why it would. I have and will continue to send positive thoughts your way.

That's very kind.

I'm an extrovert and it's particularly hard on those of us who draw energy from other people. I've been experiencing something akin to a low-level depression for months.

And of course, I'm very worried about my business, especially because no one can even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

But beyond all that, I am legitimately concerned for the health and economic prosperity for the entire U.S. I've been heavily involved in business my entire adult life and have been saying from the outset we'll be dealing with the after effects for years to come. I still truly believe that things are going to get worse before we get back on the long, slow path to recovery.

[Pete]

I will add that all this makes me furious about how the virus has been handled in this country and state.

I understand it's a tough situation but too many of our leaders have misled the public and set a very bad example which has made things much worse than it should have been.

It's also why I have zero patience for those who want to keep minimizing things and/or enabling the fools that have got us into this mess in the first place.

We have an entire staff of very highly-regarded experts who have been providing great, educated advice based on hard science, yet half the population would rather believe something they saw on Facebook or Youtube or some dubious website.

The answers have always been clear and pretty straight-forward and will remain so. It only gets muddled due to politics and then the blind allegiance to the same.

[RangersYear]

We just went to a restaurant for the first time in 6 months. We sat on the patio at Bellini's and felt safe, as the tables were distanced and servers were wearing masks. I will say that such a simple event was very good for our psyche. I'm not ready to sit inside a restaurant just yet, but now that the weather isn't so stifling, I'm going to enjoy outside dining more.

[Bill Robertson]

Like Pete was just posting about I can’t wait to go out to eat and not just do curbside. But it’s going to be awhile. The last time I’ve been inside a restaurant was March 11 to watch the Thunder game that was postponed. That’s also the night and place I’m sure I contracted the virus. So I’m eating out when I’m confident that there’s virtually no chance if getting it again. It would be just my luck to be one of the rare ones that seem to be getting it a second time. I guess that’s the main reason why when trends seem to be going down I grab onto the positive. Because I want so badly for the numbers to start going down.

[Pete]

Apart from my own self-interests, it's very hard to see so many people I know trying to keep their heads above water.

These are people, like myself, who have chosen to invest heavily in this community and are now suffering greatly.

And on top of all that, for decades we've been building a foundation and great momentum in OKC and all that has come to a screaching halt.


All of this would be much easier to take if we knew there was an end in sight, but I fully expect this winter to be very bad.

My hope is that we get a vaccine after the first of the year then slowly start to dig ourselves out of this disaster.

[Bill Robertson]

Apart from my own self-interests, it's very hard to see so many people I know trying to keep their heads above water.

These are people, like myself, who have chosen to invest heavily in this community and are now suffering greatly.

And on top of all that, for decades we've been building a foundation and great momentum in OKC and all that has come to a screaching halt.


All of this would be much easier to take if we knew there was an end in sight, but I fully expect this winter to be very bad.

My hope is that we get a vaccine after the first of the year then slowly start to dig ourselves out of this disaster.

The first two paragraphs are outside of my world.
The last three I agree with completely.

[RustytheBailiff]

When it comes to this issue, it's 99% political.

The only reason anyone even knows about these reports is that one of them was leaked after our governor chose to conceal them.

Yes, that is a story that seems to have only lasted a day in local media outlet, why isn't aren't people a little more concerned about that?

Having to live through a pandemic is bad enough, but when you cannot trust your government to honestly report on the situation makes it exponentially worse.

[Bill Robertson]

Yes, that is a story that seems to have only lasted a day in local media outlet, why isn't aren't people a little more concerned about that?

Having to live through a pandemic is bad enough, but when you cannot trust your government to honestly report on the situation makes it exponentially worse.

I think maybe the story died because the media knew the governor isn’t going to change course. The only option we have is to make sure he isn’t re-elected.