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    Quote Originally Posted by HHE View Post
    PW405, thank you for your work
    Thanks! I wish I had a little more confidence with data science & advanced analytics techniques, but if my plots help to paint a more complete & easier to interpret picture of the key data points for viewers, I'm happy with that.

    These are unprecedented, tough times. We all must do our best to be kind to one another and fight this virus.

    The day before Utah Jazz player tested positive, I went to a concert at Criterion. I almost didn't go because it was a weeknight, and I'm not in my 20's anymore. Looking back on that night... it ended up serving as a weird "final chapter" of the "old days".

    I miss those days.

  2. #6277

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    Quote Originally Posted by pw405 View Post
    One thing that concerns me with the colleges (especially ones like OSU that are somewhat isolated from major population centers) is that students will travel there from all over the state/country, live in high-density situations they wouldn't otherwise (dorms, greek housing, etc.), and then if the outbreaks get bad and they cancel in-person classes later in the semester, many of those students could travel back to their homes and potentially start spreading to populations that were previously isolated. Heck, I guess even if in-person classes remain, many students will travel back home for long weekends, holidays, etc.

    As Pete mentioned - today's high death count brings the 7-day average of deaths to a new record high at 9.1. Yesterday was technically a new record for the 7-day death average too, but not by any significant margin. (1000th decimal).

    So far in August, only a single day had 0 deaths reported: Sunday, August 9th. Rolling 7-day death totals also hit a new all-time record at 64.

    Month Summary
    Projected case totals now putting August below July, but it appears that August will rank as #2 most deadly by the weekend, and highly likely that August will end as the most deadly month.


    Average Cases & Deaths
    I'll try and stay positive. The death rate is actually much lower than total cases. April 199 deaths off of 3,053 cases. July 154 deaths off of 22,695 Either we are getting better at treating it or it's slightly weaker than before.

  3. #6278

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Robertson View Post
    Ok. I’m confused. Your argument seems to say that various cloth masks offer different levels of effectiveness which is exactly what I said. I said that many types do very well. Read better.
    Yes, we agree different masks work differently. That's not how your post started.

    While pretty much all experts agree that masks—including cloth ones—make a big difference in reducing COVID spread. You started your post with "Way too many studies can be found that compare cloth masks to just say cloth masks don’t work. Some are worse than nothing..." Please show me how the overall literature suggests that "cloth masks don't work." Claiming the research shows this is health misinformation and can cause harm.

    No hard feelings. Just think we need to speak about this carefully considering how rampant misinformation has spread.

  4. #6279

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    I was in Norman last night and Campus Corner was generally very busy.

    I just don't see how the virus doesn't spread rapidly on college campuses. You can't put 20,000 young adults in a small amount of real estate and expect them to be careful.

  5. #6280

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    Quote Originally Posted by kukblue1 View Post
    I'll try and stay positive. The death rate is actually much lower than total cases. April 199 deaths off of 3,053 cases. July 154 deaths off of 22,695 Either we are getting better at treating it or it's slightly weaker than before.
    or the testing is just better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I was in Norman last night and Campus Corner was generally very busy.

    I just don't see how the virus doesn't spread rapidly on college campuses. You can't put 20,000 young adults in a small amount of real estate and expect them to be careful.
    If OU makes it to Labor Day I'll be surprised.

  7. #6282

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankrutka View Post
    Yes, we agree different masks work differently. That's not how your post started.

    While pretty much all experts agree that masks—including cloth ones—make a big difference in reducing COVID spread. You started your post with "Way too many studies can be found that compare cloth masks to just say cloth masks don’t work. Some are worse than nothing..." Please show me how the overall literature suggests that "cloth masks don't work." Claiming the research shows this is health misinformation and can cause harm.

    No hard feelings. Just think we need to speak about this carefully considering how rampant misinformation has spread.
    I didn’t say cloth masks don’t work. I did say that some materials really don’t work at all and that is completely true. That’s not only not misinformation but valuable information. The bulk of my post was about how some cloth masks work very well. I have seen a couple petri dish experiments testing different masks types/materials and petri dishes at various distances that show multilayer cloth, especially terry cloth can work very well. However, fleece tests grew as much or more in the petri dishes than no mask at all. Lots of other materials worked at different levels of efficiency.

  8. #6283

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    I wonder how other Oklahoma Universities and colleges will be in a week or two? Will they also wind up going to online again? Looks like some of the other big name universities in the country are going in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oklip955 View Post
    I wonder how other Oklahoma Universities and colleges will be in a week or two? Will they also wind up going to online again? Looks like some of the other big name universities in the country are going in that direction.
    I'm sure OU and OSU have a number of positive tests or hospitalizations that will shut them down. Based on the reports of all the partying and shoulder to shoulder in bars already a week before school starts, it won't take too long.

    Will they keep athletes on campus and attempt football? $$$ will decide.

  10. #6285

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    Quote Originally Posted by FighttheGoodFight View Post
    I'm sure OU and OSU have a number of positive tests or hospitalizations that will shut them down. Based on the reports of all the partying and shoulder to shoulder in bars already a week before school starts, it won't take too long.

    Will they keep athletes on campus and attempt football? $$$ will decide.
    If about all students have mild to no symptoms, why would they want to bother with getting tested? If OU or OSU don't shut down that will probably be the reason why. Still, I hope students are masking up and taking other precautions, knowing they may not be one of the many lucky comes who won't come down quite miserably sick.

  11. #6286

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I was in Norman last night and Campus Corner was generally very busy.

    I just don't see how the virus doesn't spread rapidly on college campuses. You can't put 20,000 young adults in a small amount of real estate and expect them to be careful.
    I was walking/jogging around Boomer Lake in Stillwater Tuesday evening and saw around 30 unmasked people, presumably students, gathered at a shelter. I hope it being outdoors People there were riding around in pickup cabs. Some masked, some not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    If about all students have mild to no symptoms, why would they want to bother with getting tested?.
    Because they can spread it to lots of other people unless they quarantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Robertson View Post
    I didn’t say cloth masks don’t work. I did say that some materials really don’t work at all and that is completely true. That’s not only not misinformation but valuable information. The bulk of my post was about how some cloth masks work very well. I have seen a couple petri dish experiments testing different masks types/materials and petri dishes at various distances that show multilayer cloth, especially terry cloth can work very well. However, fleece tests grew as much or more in the petri dishes than no mask at all. Lots of other materials worked at different levels of efficiency.
    My Doc told me that the cloth surgical masks will not stop the virus. N95 masks would keep it out. The problem is, N95 masks are hard to find so they recommend a cloth mask as an alternative. He stressed wearing latex gloves and hand sanitizer.

  14. #6289

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    597 new cases.

    Another 17 reported deaths; the 7-day rolling average is now over 10/day, an all-time high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    597 new cases.

    Another 17 reported deaths; the 7-day rolling average is now over 10/day, an all-time high.
    I think our cases peaked a few weeks back and we are now seeing the deaths from those peaks. So hopefully now that cases are tending down. We will peak on deaths and that will start trending down as well in the next week.

    These deaths are probably (my guess) from those peak weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    If about all students have mild to no symptoms, why would they want to bother with getting tested? If OU or OSU don't shut down that will probably be the reason why. Still, I hope students are masking up and taking other precautions, knowing they may not be one of the many lucky comes who won't come down quite miserably sick.
    Students are not masking up, and not enough to make a difference, at least when they are off campus. It's just not logical to ask young people not to socialize, or to only do so wearing masks. It won't happen. It is a false hope.

  17. #6292

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCRT View Post
    My Doc told me that the cloth surgical masks will not stop the virus. N95 masks would keep it out. The problem is, N95 masks are hard to find so they recommend a cloth mask as an alternative. He stressed wearing latex gloves and hand sanitizer.
    So the cloth surgical masks that pretty much everybody (including doctors and nurses) employed by a hospital/clinic wears are useless against the virus, according to your doctor? What kind of mask were they wearing when they told you this?

  18. #6293

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCRT View Post
    My Doc told me that the cloth surgical masks will not stop the virus. N95 masks would keep it out. The problem is, N95 masks are hard to find so they recommend a cloth mask as an alternative. He stressed wearing latex gloves and hand sanitizer.
    Your doctor must not have told you that the cloth surgical masks work fine if the other party is also wearing a mask. Shame on your doctor for contributing to the problem.

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    I stopped in O'Connell's on Campus Corner last night to watch part of the Thunder games and there were big groups in there; the only people wearing masks were the staff.

    If they are going to have those huge bars open, students are going to pack in and not be wearing masks. I'm sure this is happening all across the country now.

    Classes don't even start at OU until the 24th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I stopped in O'Connell's on Campus Corner last night to watch part of the Thunder games and there were big groups in there; the only people wearing masks were the staff.

    If they are going to have those huge bars open, students are going to pack in and not be wearing masks. I'm sure this is happening all across the country now.

    Classes don't even start at OU until the 24th.
    I think it’s been happening for some time. Just getting more attention now that college are open and that’s the topic of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DowntownMan View Post
    I think it’s been happening for some time. Just getting more attention now that college are open and that’s the topic of discussion.
    I don't know about bars in Stillwater, since I've been staying out of them, but I generally feel safe in restaurants. The way they're arranged, it's not too hard to stay 6 ft. apart from tables and people. Most instances, the waiter tells me I will need to put my mask back on when leaving the table, but not everybody does it.

  22. #6297

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    The point being that students have been effectively out of school since March.

    Now, for the first time since the pandemic really kicked into gear, they are pretty much back and going out in droves.

    That will have to have a big impact on the spread of the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    Students are not masking up, and not enough to make a difference, at least when they are off campus. It's just not logical to ask young people not to socialize, or to only do so wearing masks. It won't happen. It is a false hope.
    Young people do a fairly decent job of it at Mexico Joe's in Stillwater. The older people are a little more inconsistent about having masks on when they leave their table. But, overall, I feel safe when dining there. Social distancing isn't always followed at the bar, though. I assume people seated next to each other are friends. Maybe a major reason why Mexico Joe's did away with happy hour was to discourage a fully seated bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Young people do a fairly decent job of it at Mexico Joe's in Stillwater. The older people are a little more inconsistent about having masks on when they leave their table. But, overall, I feel safe when dining there. Social distancing isn't always followed at the bar, though. I assume people seated next to each other are friends. Maybe a major reason why Mexico Joe's did away with happy hour was to discourage a fully seated bar.
    Well, good for that restaurant for making responsible decisions. And restaurants in general, though I choose not to patronize them, are probably doing as much as possible to stay open. I wish them luck on that.

    I'm talking about 18- to 22-year-old people overall. For some, this is the first time they have been on their own. I can assure you the things I did at 18 and 19 were far worse than not wearing a mask (although, they didn't put others in harm's way, mostly myself). I feel bad that these kids cannot just let loose and have fun like I was able to do. But the costs of them doing that will ultimately be worse, not just for society, but for themselves, because universities will shut down as a result of their actions. It's just a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I stopped in O'Connell's on Campus Corner last night to watch part of the Thunder games and there were big groups in there; the only people wearing masks were the staff.

    If they are going to have those huge bars open, students are going to pack in and not be wearing masks. I'm sure this is happening all across the country now.

    Classes don't even start at OU until the 24th.
    Six days ago Clark was talking about closing bars after touring CC and observing non compliance with public health mandates.

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