Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[PhiAlpha]

I see your point but the idiots converging there are going to cause unwanted consequences for everyone, including the closure of OSU. There are a lot of OSU students there who are trying to get in-person instruction, enjoy their lives, and also adhere to basic guidelines to limit the spread of the virus. The people at the Tumbleweed probably aren’t even all OSU students.

I don’t blame the mayor here totally. What a sh-t job he has right now. There are probably folks who want him strung up for even suggesting a mask ordinance in the first place. In many ways, he is just a patsy for the university, trying to keep that college money flowing through Stillwater.

But it isn’t going to matter in three weeks or so when the university shuts down to in person instruction and most of the kids scatter to the wind. Hope the parties were EPIC.

Yeah I don't disagree with you that what the Tumbleweed allowed to go on their was dumb (though apparently legal since it wasn't in city limits). I can't say what I would've done in college...we were all playing beer pong tournaments while swine flu was ripping through campus so I'm not optimistic about our common sense at the time... but as 33 year old, definitely wouldn't want to be in that big of crowd crammed together right now. I did attend a 150 person indoor wedding in Fort Worth a few months ago and to the bride and groom's knowledge, no one ended up with Covid from attending it. People wore masks at the beginning but as the drinks started flowing...mask usage by anyone not working the event dropped to zero. My dad and a bunch of his friends went to Sturgis last week so it will be interesting to see if any of them come down with it over the next few weeks.

[TheTravellers]

The premise of the comment I was responding to was that the mayor of Stillwater wasn't thinking of the CUSTOMERS who also vote. You are talking about a bunch of people who are not CUSTOMERS of the establishments that the mayor was trying to make more safe for the CUSTOMERS that go there. You all should really read the entire thread before pitching a fit about something completely unrelated to what I was responding to.

Unless you're advocating for all bars to be closed...your concerns will be a risk until a vaccine is developed. Are bars in OKC or anywhere else in OK requiring people to wear masks for the entire time their in the bar after entering? Also as Bunty said above, the Tumbleweed isn't in Stillwater and isn't subject to their mask ordinance...so something at a higher level would be needed to regulate it.

I've read every single post in this thread since it started. It doesn't matter if you're referring to the customers or passersby or people smoking in a park or cows, it's a completely wrong assertion to say (which I believe you're saying) "It's not a problem because the people are there of their own free will".

Personally, yes, I believe all bars should be closed, but because the American economy is so completely f*cked up and depends on things that it shouldn't depend on to keep going, and our governments are also completely f*cked up WRT measures to help closed businesses and unemployed workers, that won't work. As I've said, I'm fairly ashamed to be an American during this, we've botched the response pretty much completely, our way of life is not sustainable (naked greed and capitalism and plutocracy run amok and we're a complete dog-eat-dog country), and we're reaping the consequences of the past who-knows-how-many decades of really ridiculous economic policy that only makes the rich ungodly amounts richer and is screwing everybody else.

As I posted way back, there's an article that tells how this could all be under control in 4-6 weeks, there are plans out there for that, they're painful, but are they as painful as what we've gone through and what we will go through in the future?

I don't go to bars, so I have no idea what they're doing, but I suspect almost every bar in the country that's open is failing at protecting people, some in major ways, some in minor ways.

[PhiAlpha]

I've read every single post in this thread since it started. It doesn't matter if you're referring to the customers or passersby or people smoking in a park or cows, it's a completely wrong assertion to say (which I believe you're saying) "It's not a problem because the people are there of their own free will".

Personally, yes, I believe all bars should be closed, but because the American economy is so completely f*cked up and depends on things that it shouldn't depend on to keep going, and our governments are also completely f*cked up WRT measures to help closed businesses and unemployed workers, that won't work. As I've said, I'm fairly ashamed to be an American during this, we've botched the response pretty much completely, our way of life is not sustainable (naked greed and capitalism and plutocracy run amok and we're a complete dog-eat-dog country), and we're reaping the consequences of the past who-knows-how-many decades of really ridiculous economic policy that only makes the rich ungodly amounts richer and is screwing everybody else.

As I posted way back, there's an article that tells how this could all be under control in 4-6 weeks, there are plans out there for that, they're painful, but are they as painful as what we've gone through and what we will go through in the future?

I don't go to bars, so I have no idea what they're doing, but I suspect almost every bar in the country that's open is failing at protecting people, some in major ways, some in minor ways.

When the conversation was based on whether the mayor was working in the best interest of the Customers vs. Business Owners...that assertion was absolutely correct when those were the two groups that the discussion was based on. It's the business' job to protect the customers to the best of it's ability while they're patronizing the business and the city government's job to set the guidelines and create the best environment to make protecting their customers possible (which I believe the mayor of Stillwater is trying to do). If you want to move the goal posts and expand it to something I wasn't even responding to just to make a point...that's great but don't scream THAT'S BULL****! and act like I'm advocating for the euthanasia by virus of everyone in Stillwater.

Though if we're talking about real responsibility...it's the customer's responsibility to protect other people that he/she comes in contact with after patronizing the business or attending an event, especially if they have to be in contact with individuals with an elevated risk (in which case they probably shouldn't patronize establishments like bars and restaurants frequently anyway).

[Pete]

615 new cases today.

17 new reported deaths; 2nd only to April 21st.

[jn1780]

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Lol, Good catch.

[jedicurt]

615 new cases today.

17 new reported deaths; 2nd only to April 21st.

that death number keeps staying way to high...

[Pete]

that death number keeps staying way to high...

7-day rolling average at an all-time high.

[PhiAlpha]

615 new cases today.

17 new reported deaths; 2nd only to April 21st.

Yikes

[jedicurt]

7-day rolling average at an all-time high.

and for all of those people who say that driving a car is more dangerous... we just past the average number of motor vehicle, and pedestrian deaths per year for the state, has been hovering around 655 for the past few years... and that is numbers for a whole year. we are still at 5 months with this.

[Pete]

Nationally, we are also at nearly 175,000 deaths in less than 6 months and continue to lose about 1,000 people every day.

By way of comparison, we lost 420,000 in World War II over several years.

[soonerguru]

Yeah I don't disagree with you that what the Tumbleweed allowed to go on their was dumb (though apparently legal since it wasn't in city limits). I can't say what I would've done in college...we were all playing beer pong tournaments while swine flu was ripping through campus so I'm not optimistic about our common sense at the time... but as 33 year old, definitely wouldn't want to be in that big of crowd crammed together right now. I did attend a 150 person indoor wedding in Fort Worth a few months ago and to the bride and groom's knowledge, no one ended up with Covid from attending it. People wore masks at the beginning but as the drinks started flowing...mask usage by anyone not working the event dropped to zero. My dad and a bunch of his friends went to Sturgis last week so it will be interesting to see if any of them come down with it over the next few weeks.

My family member contracted it at an OUTDOOR wedding. They were distanced and wearing masks but she volunteered to help the bride's mother "clean up" (moving chairs and tables, etc.) and contracted it from her. It then passed to the bride and groom and both of the bride's parents. The wedding was sparsely attended.

The bigger issue here is the universities are trying to save themselves financially (totally reasonable) but really can't control what will happen off campus. It's doomed to fail and it's only a matter of time because as you say, many if not most of the students will congregate one way or another, and the virus will quickly spread throughout campus, getting professors and staff sick, getting parents sick when kids go home to "do laundry," and maybe even get grandma and grandpa sick. A lot of these kids have parents who think this is a hoax so they will be complicit in their own infections, but the ripple in the pond will expand outward. People go to OU and OSU from all over the state, all over the country, and all over the world.

I think these early examples show why this won't work, and our major schools will be online-only very soon, just as North Carolina announced it would be yesterday.

[soonerguru]

615 new cases today.

17 new reported deaths; 2nd only to April 21st.

Pete, do they still report on the counties in which the deaths occurred, and the age group associated with the deceased? I ask because I'm not really seeing that data right now.

[jn1780]

Pete, do they still report on the counties in which the deaths occurred, and the age group associated with the deceased? I ask because I'm not really seeing that data right now.

I see this, but they don't give you daily, just total.
https://looker-dashboards.ok.gov/embed/dashboards/76

[OKCRT]

I see this, but they don't give you daily, just total.
https://looker-dashboards.ok.gov/embed/dashboards/76

N95 masks (don't have any BTW) and latex gloves are the key to stopping this. Paper masks and no gloves? Ha, good luck

[jedicurt]

Paper masks and no gloves? Ha, good luck

but they are better than nothing... but yes, N95 masks and gloves are significantly better

[Bill Robertson]

N95 masks (don't have any BTW) and latex gloves are the key to stopping this. Paper masks and no gloves? Ha, good luck

Way too many studies can be found that compare cloth masks to just say cloth masks don’t work. Some are worse than nothing, some do something but very varied levels and some that are of good design and multiple layers of something like quality terry cloth are actually pretty good. I have three different types of N95 masks made by 3M and Norton so they’re quality stuff. Two of them fit very well and I would trust very much. One just doesn’t seal no matter how I move it around so just saying N95 masks work also isn’t a valid statement. A well made, multilayered terry cloth mask could work much better than an ill fitting N95.

My opinion is carrying sanitizer and using it often is much better than wearing gloves. Unless you change gloves pretty much every time you touch something they’re spreading germs as much as bare hands. What’s important is your hands being sanitary before touching your face or anything you’re going to be putting in your face.

[jn1780]

N95 masks (don't have any BTW) and latex gloves are the key to stopping this. Paper masks and no gloves? Ha, good luck

You have to use the glove properly too. If you are discipline enough to use latex gloves properly, your probably more likely to wash your hands better.
And you have to actually change the mask out every so often. Filters don't work really well when their dirty.

Who knows what the benefit masks bring, but I do know politicians have used them as a cop out to avoid lock downs. They work great for preventing lock downs in that case!

I still haven't seen anything to really disprove my belief that the more populated cities are at least temporarily approaching a R below 1 for this time of year as they approach 1.5 to 2 percent confirmed total infected. Mask mandates move that peak point a few days back at most.

[dankrutka]

Way too many studies can be found that compare cloth masks to just say cloth masks don’t work. Some are worse than nothing, some do something but very varied levels and some that are of good design and multiple layers of something like quality terry cloth are actually pretty good.

This is straight up health misinformation. Please do more research before you share because misinformation is a primary reason the U.S. is failing so bad in this crisis. There's a ton of research that various types of cloth masks make a huge difference. Moreover, the recent study that suggested that masks (like gaiters) can break up droplets and cause more harm has already been challenged and the researchers have cautioned it's been misinterpreted. Cloth masks work. Researchers have been clear on this since (save the failure of the CDC and WHO for the first couple months) the beginning of the pandemic. Do better.

[Jersey Boss]

A transcript of an interview with Dr. Fauci. A good interview that puts wearing gloves into perspective. One must accept the knowledge and expertise of the nations leading immunologist to take anything from it.

Matthew McConaughey had questions about coronavirus. So he chatted on Instagram with Dr. Anthony Fauci
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hou...t-15485376.php

[Bill Robertson]

This is straight up health misinformation. Please do more research before you share because misinformation is a primary reason the U.S. is failing so bad in this crisis. There's a ton of research that various types of cloth masks make a huge difference. Moreover, the recent study that suggested that masks (like gaiters) can break up droplets and cause more harm has already been challenged and the researchers have cautioned it's been misinterpreted. Cloth masks work. Researchers have been clear on this since (save the failure of the CDC and WHO for the first couple months) the beginning of the pandemic. Do better.

Ok. I’m confused. Your argument seems to say that various cloth masks offer different levels of effectiveness which is exactly what I said. I said that many types do very well. Read better.

[gopokes88]

https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker/s...421937157?s=21


Perhaps were seeing such huge deaths because were the most obese and diabetic country in the world, and Oklahoma leads the country that’s already #1.

[Bill Robertson]

https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker/s...421937157?s=21


Perhaps were seeing such huge deaths because were the most obese and diabetic country in the world, and Oklahoma leads the country that’s already #1.

I’m 61, need the lose 30 to 40 pounds and am on meds for high cholesterol and high blood pressure. I had very minimal symptoms. So being older, fat and out out of shape isn’t a you’ll get it bad sentence. This is too odd a virus to assign results based on physical conditions. If so I should be dead. I do have continuing issues but even they are getting better every week.

My point is EVERYONE needs to look at this virus like I could get it and maybe be fine or maybe die and who knows who will be which.

[C_M_25]

https://twitter.com/jeffreyatucker/s...421937157?s=21


Perhaps were seeing such huge deaths because were the most obese and diabetic country in the world, and Oklahoma leads the country that’s already #1.

Just wait until the population of people at sturgis starts to spike in covid cases. Those people are everything stereotypical about Oklahoma x10!!

[pw405]

One thing that concerns me with the colleges (especially ones like OSU that are somewhat isolated from major population centers) is that students will travel there from all over the state/country, live in high-density situations they wouldn't otherwise (dorms, greek housing, etc.), and then if the outbreaks get bad and they cancel in-person classes later in the semester, many of those students could travel back to their homes and potentially start spreading to populations that were previously isolated. Heck, I guess even if in-person classes remain, many students will travel back home for long weekends, holidays, etc.

As Pete mentioned - today's high death count brings the 7-day average of deaths to a new record high at 9.1. Yesterday was technically a new record for the 7-day death average too, but not by any significant margin. (1000th decimal).

So far in August, only a single day had 0 deaths reported: Sunday, August 9th. Rolling 7-day death totals also hit a new all-time record at 64.

Month Summary
Projected case totals now putting August below July, but it appears that August will rank as #2 most deadly by the weekend, and highly likely that August will end as the most deadly month.


Average Cases & Deaths

[Canoe]

PW405, thank you for your work