Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[TheTravellers]

Just saw that apparently Stillwater thinks this is the answer to crowded bars.
“We are considering a new ordinance that will allow certain bars and restaurants to expand their outdoor areas into some of the public rights of ways, so that we can hopefully move some of those folks outside and spread them out a little bit better.” said Mayor Joyce.

Covidiots - both the Mayor and partiers.

[Bunty]

A guy I work with is 22, and he had COVID and he was out of action for a month. Healthy, fit, works out, non smoker. He said for the two weeks in the middle, he couldn't even get up to walk to the refrigerator to get a water. He didn't require a respirator, laying down or sitting his oxygen levels were fine. As soon as he stood up he said it would take about 5 minutes to get to the kitchen and back. He placed chairs around his apartment so he could take breaks on his way around the house to use the restroom, eat, or get a drink. He recovered fine, but said in the middle of it he would rather have just died. He said you get the chills similar to when you have an upset stomach (minus the upset stomach), but they last for the better part of 12 hours at a time per episode.

I don't think this is anything to mess around with no matter your age.

Excerpted from:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...gtype=Homepage
"Eduardo Rodriguez was poised to start as the No. 1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox this season. But in July the 27-year-old tested positive for Covid-19. Feeling “100 years old,” he told reporters: “I’ve never been that sick in my life, and I don’t want to get that sick again.” His symptoms abated, but a few weeks later he felt so tired after throwing about 20 pitches during practice that his team told him to stop and rest.

Further investigation revealed that he had a condition many are still struggling to understand: Covid-19-associated myocarditis. Mr. Rodriguez won’t be playing baseball this season.

I recently treated one Covid-19 patient in his early 50s. He had been in perfect shape with no history of serious illness. When the fevers and body aches started, he locked himself in his room. But instead of getting better, his condition deteriorated and he eventually accumulated gallons of fluid in his legs. When he came to the hospital unable to catch a breath, it wasn’t his lungs that had pushed him to the brink — it was his heart. Now we are evaluating him to see if he needs a heart transplant."

[Bunty]

Covidiots - both the Mayor and partiers.

Maybe the mayor wants to be more business friendly after a petition has been out to recall him and the rest of the city council. The petition signers are big covidiots, too.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/lo...1de146f5b.html

What the Stillwater News Press thinks of the petition:
https://www.stwnewspress.com/opinion...53202c104.html

[catch22]

Excerpted from:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/o...gtype=Homepage
Eduardo Rodriguez was poised to start as the No. 1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox this season. But in July the 27-year-old tested positive for Covid-19. Feeling “100 years old,” he told reporters: “I’ve never been that sick in my life, and I don’t want to get that sick again.” His symptoms abated, but a few weeks later he felt so tired after throwing about 20 pitches during practice that his team told him to stop and rest.

Further investigation revealed that he had a condition many are still struggling to understand: Covid-19-associated myocarditis. Mr. Rodriguez won’t be playing baseball this season.

Scary stuff. It can do some serious organ damage in even mild cases.

[PhiAlpha]

I'm not talking deaths, I'm talking about survivors with lasting lung damage. This is uncharted territory, and we don't know what we're risking.

I knew what you were talking about.

[Jersey Boss]

Maybe the mayor wants to be more business friendly after a petition has been out to recall him and the rest of the city council. The petition signers are big covidiots, too.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/lo...1de146f5b.html

What the Stillwater News Press thinks of the petition:
https://www.stwnewspress.com/opinion...53202c104.html

Business friendly? How about customer friendly. Customers vote also.

[PhiAlpha]

Business friendly? How about customer friendly. Customers vote also.

How is he not being costumer friendly as well by still allowing them to attend the bars and restaurants that they are CHOOSING to attend and loosening restrictions that will allow those customers who CHOOSE to attend those establishments to do so more safely?

[Jersey Boss]

So you are telling me that the video of the bar showed compliance with local ordinances. The uproar is based on what you would refer to as "Karens" I guess.

[PhiAlpha]

So you are telling me that the video of the bar showed compliance with local ordinances. The uproar is based on what you would refer to as "Karens" I guess.

I’m saying that everyone in the bar used their own free will and chose to go. Anyone who didn’t want to be in that situation could choose not to be a customer of that establishment. The mayor is considering both the customers who want to enjoy that type of environment and the business owners that want to stay open and avoid loosing their businesses by loosening restrictions that would make more theoretically safer outdoor space available which in turn allows for more distancing inside.

All of that to say...if you don’t want to be in that type of environment you’re not going to be a customer of that establishment anyway...so I’m not sure how the mayor is in any way doing wrong by the customers as you suggested. If you’re relying on the government to “protect” people that don’t care about the virus and insist on putting themselves in the highest risk environment possible...you’re going to be really disappointed. Close the tumbleweed down then the same crowd will be crammed into 10 different huge house parties. The threat isn’t great enough for college age and younger people to care about it... no leadership is going to change that.

[Jersey Boss]

In the spirit of consisteny I assume you have no problems with folks smoking in a park.

[catch22]

I’m saying that everyone in the bar used their own free will and chose to go. Anyone who didn’t want to be in that situation could choose not to be a customer of that establishment. The mayor is considering both the customers who want to enjoy that type of environment and the business owners that want to stay open and avoid loosing their businesses by loosening restrictions that would make more theoretically safer outdoor space available which in turn allows for more distancing inside.

All of that to say...if you don’t want to be in that type of environment you’re not going to be a customer of that establishment anyway...so I’m not sure how the mayor is in any way doing wrong by the customers as you suggested. If you’re relying on the government to “protect” people that don’t care about the virus and insist on putting themselves in the highest risk environment possible...you’re going to be really disappointed. Close the tumbleweed down then the same crowd will be crammed into 10 different huge house parties. The threat isn’t great enough for college age and younger people to care about it... no leadership is going to change that.

the problem is that just because you can choose something for yourself doesn't mean you should unknowingly choose it for others. For example, one of the people in that bar picks it up, doesn't show any symptoms, and delivers the virus directly to his or her professor who beings it in to their home exposing their spouse and kids. This really is like a man not wearing a condom saying he shouldn't be responsible for his partners wellbeing. Well, wrong.

[Bunty]

Scary stuff. It can do some serious organ damage in even mild cases.

I suspect the word about how scary it can turn out to be is getting out and helps explain why there is more cooperation in wearing masks than during the spring.

[Bunty]

I’m saying that everyone in the bar used their own free will and chose to go. Anyone who didn’t want to be in that situation could choose not to be a customer of that establishment. The mayor is considering both the customers who want to enjoy that type of environment and the business owners that want to stay open and avoid loosing their businesses by loosening restrictions that would make more theoretically safer outdoor space available which in turn allows for more distancing inside.

All of that to say...if you don’t want to be in that type of environment you’re not going to be a customer of that establishment anyway...so I’m not sure how the mayor is in any way doing wrong by the customers as you suggested. If you’re relying on the government to “protect” people that don’t care about the virus and insist on putting themselves in the highest risk environment possible...you’re going to be really disappointed. Close the tumbleweed down then the same crowd will be crammed into 10 different huge house parties. The threat isn’t great enough for college age and younger people to care about it... no leadership is going to change that.

The mayor can't do anything about Tumbleweed, since it's outside the city limits. Maybe Payne County where Tumbleweed is will be led to do something about the situation if it's found through contact tracing that a bunch of cases were spread at Tumbleweed. The current restrictions on city restaurants shouldn't be any different than on rural night clubs. It would only be okay to take off your mask while at a table.

[soonerguru]

I’m saying that everyone in the bar used their own free will and chose to go. Anyone who didn’t want to be in that situation could choose not to be a customer of that establishment. The mayor is considering both the customers who want to enjoy that type of environment and the business owners that want to stay open and avoid loosing their businesses by loosening restrictions that would make more theoretically safer outdoor space available which in turn allows for more distancing inside.

All of that to say...if you don’t want to be in that type of environment you’re not going to be a customer of that establishment anyway...so I’m not sure how the mayor is in any way doing wrong by the customers as you suggested. If you’re relying on the government to “protect” people that don’t care about the virus and insist on putting themselves in the highest risk environment possible...you’re going to be really disappointed. Close the tumbleweed down then the same crowd will be crammed into 10 different huge house parties. The threat isn’t great enough for college age and younger people to care about it... no leadership is going to change that.

I see your point but the idiots converging there are going to cause unwanted consequences for everyone, including the closure of OSU. There are a lot of OSU students there who are trying to get in-person instruction, enjoy their lives, and also adhere to basic guidelines to limit the spread of the virus. The people at the Tumbleweed probably aren’t even all OSU students.

I don’t blame the mayor here totally. What a sh-t job he has right now. There are probably folks who want him strung up for even suggesting a mask ordinance in the first place. In many ways, he is just a patsy for the university, trying to keep that college money flowing through Stillwater.

But it isn’t going to matter in three weeks or so when the university shuts down to in person instruction and most of the kids scatter to the wind. Hope the parties were EPIC.

[Bunty]

Bar owners met with Stillwater City Council. They said things weren't as bad as they looked. The mayor will impose new regulations like the ones in the other college towns in Big 12 and do it in time for this weekend.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/lo...0db5399a5.html

In the last couple of weeks, Stillwater has gone up one notch for cities with most cases from 12 to 11. Early this summer it shot up to no 8 after restaurants, bars, gyms and salons reopened. Hopefully, totals won't go past no. 8 in coming weeks.

[jn1780]

In the last couple of weeks, Stillwater has gone up one notch for cities with most cases from 12 to 11. Early this summer it shot up to no 8 after restaurants, bars, gyms and salons reopened. Hopefully, totals won't go past no. 8 in coming weeks.

You can bet they will move up before the end of summer. It's becoming pretty obvious that the trend is for larger cities to peak out first because they got to the suppression threshold at a higher rate. Now what we don't know is what will happen when fall comes around. How much that raises the R value. Norman and Stillwater are probably going to see a starp increase in cases because of the colleges and also they haven't seen the same amount of cases Tulsa and OKC has had

[jedicurt]

In the spirit of consisteny I assume you have no problems with folks smoking in a park.

and lets not also forget that we have now learned that Hollywood has gotten every Zombie movie ever made wrong, because none of them have shown the group who is protesting that their rights to be able to go out and party with zombies is being infringed upon.

[Pete]

Numbers are delayed today due to 'technical difficulties'.

[PhiAlpha]

the problem is that just because you can choose something for yourself doesn't mean you should unknowingly choose it for others. For example, one of the people in that bar picks it up, doesn't show any symptoms, and delivers the virus directly to his or her professor who beings it in to their home exposing their spouse and kids. This really is like a man not wearing a condom saying he shouldn't be responsible for his partners wellbeing. Well, wrong.

They best wear a their face condom to class then!

[PhiAlpha]

In the spirit of consisteny I assume you have no problems with folks smoking in a park.

If smoking is allowed in the park...sure, by all means. People that don't want to be around people smoking can go to a park where smoking isn't allowed.

[jedicurt]

If smoking is allowed in the park...sure, by all means. People that don't want to be around people smoking can go to a park where smoking isn't allowed.

but if smoking isn't allowed in the park, then you are okay with that as well? so the government can make some rules regarding public safety?

[PhiAlpha]

but if smoking isn't allowed in the park, then you are okay with that as well? so the government can make some rules regarding public safety?

I never said the government couldn't make rules regarding public safety. I said that the mayor of Stillwater was doing his best to walk the line between protecting customers who want to attend bars and restaurants while at the same time allowing the bars and restaurants to continue operating. I also said that if you're putting all your faith in the government to protect people who are WILLINGLY putting themselves in harms way...you're going to be disappointed.

I do think that at the end of the day you can't keep every public place closed forever and people, especially young college aged people, are going to gather and do what they want regardless where they are allowed to do it which makes most rules difficult to enforce especially as long as students are living away from home. That said, as long as hospitalizations for younger people don't increase substantially in college towns in this part of the country, I don't see colleges moving back online.

[TheTravellers]

I’m saying that everyone in the bar used their own free will and chose to go. Anyone who didn’t want to be in that situation could choose not to be a customer of that establishment. ...

This is bullsh*t. If someone that's there of their own free will gets infected, and then infects someone else, that someone else has absolutely no say in the matter and could end up injured for life or dead (yes, they could also be fine, but who knows what lottery number anybody's going to come up with - could win, could die, could have no symptoms, etc.). It's not just about one single person deciding that if they go to a bar unmasked that they will be the single lone person that has to possibly suffer the consequences, airborne contagious viruses don't work that way. It's called PUBLIC health for a reason.

[PhiAlpha]

This is bullsh*t. If someone that's there of their own free will gets infected, and then infects someone else, that someone else has absolutely no say in the matter and could end up injured for life or dead (yes, they could also be fine, but who knows what lottery number anybody's going to come up with - could win, could die, could have no symptoms, etc.). It's not just about one single person deciding that if they go to a bar unmasked that they will be the single lone person that has to possibly suffer the consequences, airborne contagious viruses don't work that way. It's called PUBLIC health for a reason.

The premise of the comment I was responding to was that the mayor of Stillwater was only appeasing the business owners and wasn't thinking of the CUSTOMERS who also vote. You are talking about a bunch of people who are not CUSTOMERS of the establishments that the mayor was trying to make more safe for the CUSTOMERS that patronize them. You all should really read the entire thread before pitching a fit about something completely unrelated to what I was responding to.

Unless you're advocating for all bars to be closed...your concerns will be a risk until a vaccine is developed. Are bars in OKC or anywhere else in OK requiring people to wear masks for the entire time their in the bar after entering? Also as Bunty said above, the Tumbleweed isn't in Stillwater and isn't subject to their mask ordinance...so something at a higher level would be needed to regulate it.

[PhiAlpha]

You can bet they will move up before the end of summer. It's becoming pretty obvious that the trend is for larger cities to peak out first because they got to the suppression threshold at a higher rate. Now what we don't know is what will happen when fall comes around. How much that raises the R value. Norman and Stillwater are probably going to see a starp increase in cases because of the colleges and also they haven't seen the same amount of cases Tulsa and OKC has had