Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[BoulderSooner]

Unserious question.

very serious questions 1.8 mil people have died in the united states this year. are we taking all of those deaths seriously and reporting on them as such??

[David]

very serious questions 1.8 mil people have died in the united states this year. are we taking all of those deaths seriously and reporting on them as such??

That would be a more rational retort if we didn't already spend quite a bit of time and money as a society minimizing unnecessary deaths. Could we be doing more? Clearly. Are we already doing a lot? Absolutely.

[TheTravellers]

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We are not splitting the atom, here. People are just merely trying to decide very big and general questions like: Should schools fully reopen?
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Can't remember which school, but saw a headline that said "First COVID-19 positive test within hours of <insert name here> school re-opening". Football players at some schools have tested positive because practice has already begun. Tons of schools don't have HVAC systems that can filter out the coronavirus and can't be adapted to do so, unless they spend huge $$$. Also tons of schools don't have windows that can open (which would be miserable at this time of year in some places, like it was in OKC when I was school and mine didn't really have A/C. So I'd say "nope, schools not ready to re-open".

[jerrywall]

That would be a more rational retort if we didn't already spend quite a bit of time and money as a society minimizing unnecessary deaths. Could we be doing more? Clearly. Are we already doing a lot? Absolutely.

This! I had someone throw the whole "well, more people a year die from cancer" at me like it was a mic drop. We spend A LOT of time and money trying to prevent unnecessary cancer deaths, and I couldn't even list the number of laws and regulations which exist and restrict certain rights in an attempt to try to prevent exposure to carcinogens.

[soonerguru]

This! I had someone throw the whole "well, more people a year die from cancer" at me like it was a mic drop. We spend A LOT of time and money trying to prevent unnecessary cancer deaths, and I couldn't even list the number of laws and regulations which exist and restrict certain rights in an attempt to try to prevent exposure to carcinogens.

it is honestly like waving the white flag in terms of debate. is that all ya got? Not to mention, we have seatbelt laws, smoking laws, we spend billions researching ways to fight disease and improve health outcomes, so, the question itself is fundamentally unserious.

[BoulderSooner]

That would be a more rational retort if we didn't already spend quite a bit of time and money as a society minimizing unnecessary deaths. Could we be doing more? Clearly. Are we already doing a lot? Absolutely.

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

[Ronnie Jackson]

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

This is some serious Denialist BS. I’m not even that smart of a guy, but even I can tell when a chart reflects a Tragedy.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

[jerrywall]

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

That first statement isn't necessarily true, or at least to the degree at which you're implying. It's a disingenuous statement at best, and I'm not eager to acknowledge it, but I will.

The seasonal flu is a very different situation than Covid currently is. It's been around for a while and we have multiple vaccinations, even if they're not always spot on each year, and a lot of folks have a relative immunity to it. The vulnerable have zero defense to Covid, and the only significant act we can do to prevent its spread is to wear masks. With the flu, we have other options (the vaccine). When we have a flu outbreak that can't be addressed by vaccines, then we fall back onto more traditional methods to prevent the spread, such as masks and increased social distancing. And this isn't new. We have lots of history and information to look back on for the effectiveness of masks in reducing the transmission of diseases.

But, if masks could reduce our annual flu deaths from the 12k-50k or so annual deaths to close to nothing, then yeah, let's wear them during the flu season, when there's a bad flair up. Why wouldn't someone? It's just that we have other options to try to address the flu. We don't yet have those options with Covid. So when the majority of the entire medical community, all the global organizations, and health expert after health expert are arguing for masks for the flu, absolutely I sure will follow their advice. But they aren't. They are saying so about Covid. Something that in a matter of months has a death toll higher than multiple years of flu outbreaks combined. And it's not showing signs of stopping.

[BoulderSooner]

This is some serious Denialist BS. I’m not even that smart of a guy, but even I can tell when a chart reflects a Tragedy.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

per your source Oklahoma is under the average yearly death total for 2020

[soonerguru]

Nice thread hijack.

[BoulderSooner]

per your source Oklahoma is under the average yearly death total for 2020

and New york/ New york city / and new jersey

are the huge majority of the "extra deaths"

[TheTravellers]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colle...b656e9b09d1ebb

[kukblue1]

The biggest difference between Covid and the Flu is day symptoms start to show. With the Flu it's usually 2 days so you stay home or if you go to work you tell others I'm not feeling well. Covid can take 5-7 days before you start to show symptoms. At that point in time you have infected many which is not always the cause with the flu cause the flu isn't nearly as contagious as Covid

[dankrutka]

Heart damage found in coronavirus patients months after recovering from COVID-19, study says

[Ronnie Jackson]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colle...b656e9b09d1ebb

i admittedly don’t see much of an OKC connection here. Was a Pac-12 School scheduled to play OU?

Will be interesting if only the SEC, Big 12 and Clemson go forward with their seasons. Granted, those are the only schools that make The Playoff with any regularity as it is.

[TheTravellers]

i admittedly don’t see much of an OKC connection here. Was a Pac-12 School scheduled to play OU?

Will be interesting if only the SEC, Big 12 and Clemson go forward with their seasons. Granted, those are the only schools that make The Playoff with any regularity as it is.

There's not an OKC connection, sports were being talked about in this thread, so I posted something about sports. I don't care one way or another about any sports at all, anywhere, just posting a data point I read, might've fit better in the Economic Impact thread. Pete, please move it to that one if you feel it's more appropriate over there.

[C_M_25]

Heart damage found in coronavirus patients months after recovering from COVID-19, study says

While this does sound scary, it's hard to draw a true comparison to other viruses and establish a "what does this really mean" answer. For instance, there are many other virus that can attack the heart. Flu for example can cause heart damage. However, MRI of the heart are rarely done after people recover from the other viruses. For all we know, heart inflammation can be found in those patients too. Also, heart inflammation sounds scary, but in many cases, it's only minor and subsides over time. Occasionally, it can become severe enough to cause scary complications. In all likelihood, this headline sounds scary than it really is.

[Ronnie Jackson]

There's not an OKC connection, sports were being talked about in this thread, so I posted something about sports. I don't care one way or another about any sports at all, anywhere, just posting a data point I read, might've fit better in the Economic Impact thread. Pete, please move it to that one if you feel it's more appropriate over there.

Oh, okay. I wasn’t aware that Huffington Post wrote Sports articles.

Interesting to hear that they do.

[rezman]

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Yes!!! ... Good stuff!

[LocoAko]

Hospitalizations have dropped sharply to 504, their lowest level since July 10, but Commissioner Frye is apparently asking all the reporting hospitals to double check their submissions.



https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/statu...14357789188100
https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/statu...22639589236738

[Bill Robertson]

And here is why trying to follow our stats is overwhelmingly difficult. Even averages and trends when almost 19,000 pending tests just disappear.

8/3/2020
504 persons hospitalized (-124 from Friday)
232 in ICU (-26 from Friday)

537 persons seen in hospital in previous 24 hours sent into self-quarantine

223 of 922 ICU beds available statewide (24%)
95% of hospitals reported (+4% from Friday)

2,835 tests pending, 5,770 results reported
(22,607 were listed Friday, 19,147 of those at Clinical Pathology Laboratories. CPL only shows 65 results reported and 2,131 pending... something is up here)

[pw405]

So... hospital #'s came out. Friday, it was reported that 628 patients were in hospital.

Today...504.

Hospital trends, thus far, have never been subject to such dramatic swings. The % of hospitals responding to the survey is way higher than usual (95%) on today's report.

So... possible conclusions, near as I can tell:

1. An unprecedented # of patients experienced a miraculous recovery and were sent home over the last 72 hours.
2. An unprecedented # of patients died over the last 72 hours.
3. The data is bad.

[BDP]

very serious questions 1.8 mil people have died in the united states this year. are we taking all of those deaths seriously and reporting on them as such??

Unless you are the first one to report them, then yes, those deaths have been reported as such... that is, as deaths.

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

That's a good suggestion. Masks save lives, and maybe we should wear them to save lives. Unless, of course, you don't want to be inconvenienced in the effort to save lives.

And, actually, well, some people have been and do wear masks around immunocompromised people for, I don't know, I'm probably shorting this a bit, but for like for 120 years.

The bulk of them work in hospitals, but if you've ever had a family member that is in chemo therapy or just hanging on, you wear a mask around them, right? Especially, if the doctors caring for him/her asked you to. You'd do that, right?

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

Is this a "selfawarewolf" moment?

Yes, WE do DO that. That's exactly the point.

You're really good at counting the dead. I just can't believe that you think there aren't people risking their safety and committing their lives to commuting that death. They have committed their lives to lowering your benchmark of deaths.

You have decided that the best course of action is to marginalize those deaths. You won't care until it reaches a level you do care about. And, honestly, that statistical level is 1. It just has to affect you.

COVID is going to be the #3 cause of death in the US this year. That sucks. The thing is, though, since it is a CONTAGIOUS disease, it could be stopped by a change in community behavior. It is up to individuals to end it. It's actually a choice. The medical hardship, the economic hardship that is going to happen is the result of a collective choice. The defining moment of our nation, that is.

So, are we gonna do somemthing about it, or just follow your lead, which is basically, we're all gonna die anyway.

That's some lazy ass ****, boulder sooner.

[kukblue1]

With all these pending test shouldn't we have an "non test day" to let thing get caught up. At this point if I get tested on the 5th i won't get results to the 10th. If we had a where we didn't test and I had to wait until the 6th maybe I could still get my results back on the 10th anyway? Just a thought. Other than those really sick of course

[Bill Robertson]

With all these pending test shouldn't we have an "non test day" to let thing get caught up. At this point if I get tested on the 5th i won't get results to the 10th. If we had a where we didn't test and I had to wait until the 6th maybe I could still get my results back on the 10th anyway? Just a thought. Other than those really sick of course

You sitting a day waiting to take the test or your sample sitting in a lab for a day is essentially the same thing. And presumably there would be the same number of samples per week. Just collected in 6 days instead of 7. The labs still wouldn’t keep up.