Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

We can't possibly reopen schools and restart sports until we are able to quickly process tests, and after 6 months of doing this, we are headed in the complete wrong direction.

[KTB]

If they can't process tests in a timely manner then any daily numbers are useless. My daughter still hasn't gotten her results from 3 weeks ago. If she was positive she would have already been sick and recovered by now. If they have 22,000 backlogged tests then the daily numbers they post are also lagging, just like hospitalizations and deaths everyone is so quick to dismiss because they are lagging. Lagging numbers can never be charted and trends can never be observed. Are cases rising? Falling? Plateaued? NOBODY KNOWS because all the info we have is inaccurate. Garbage in-Garbage out

I think the most accurate-real time numbers are hospitalizations and deaths. Although a cause of death can be debated these are the only true facts we have.

Since the very beginning I only know three people personally that have tested positive. One was a friend's grandmother that died in early April. She was also obese, diabetic, and she had a heart issue. Death was listed as Covid which the family tried to fight with no success. Another friends daughter had no symptoms and a friends son last week in Stillwater is showing symptoms. He said it feels like the flu.

[Pete]

With these types of delays, there is no point even testing.

Just quarantine eveyrone who thinks they may have it.

[Pete]

Lagging numbers can never be charted and trends can never be observed. Are cases rising? Falling? Plateaued? NOBODY KNOWS because all the info we have is inaccurate. Garbage in-Garbage out.

This is a relatively new problem and we are just talking about Oklahoma.

It's irresponsible to dismiss all data as useless.

We have lots of data points (from Oklahoma, surrounding states and nationally) over quite a period of time now so it's not hard to identify trends, even if daily numbers in a limited geography are erratic.

[jerrywall]

With these types of delays, there is no point even testing.

Just quarantine eveyrone who thinks they may have it.

Exactly. I was sick a couple of weeks ago with symptoms that very well could have been Covid. Called my doctor and we came to the same conclusion. I quarantined and stayed home for a couple of weeks, since the effort to get tested and wait for the response wasn't worth it. If I had gotten worse I would have gone to the hospital but otherwise what's the point.

This is the big one for me. I think an debate could be made for or against a mask mandate, or a state wide stay at home order, or how we handled hospital readiness or whatever. But there's really no excuse for use to be 6 months in to this and still not have the capacity or ability for timely testing. This should be pandemic 101. Even if it takes a little time to ramp up capacity, there is absolutely no excuse for us to still be having these issues. How can we even think about having a clear picture, doing any sort of contact tracing, and trying to manage outbreaks and hotspots if we can't identify them in a timely manner?

[KTB]

We can't possibly reopen schools and restart sports until we are able to quickly process tests, and after 6 months of doing this, we are headed in the complete wrong direction.

I agree. My kids go to a public school and it feels like every week they announce a new plan for reopening school. I think all High School fall sports will be cancelled and I think college will happen. They will limit fans in attendance and will be on TV. They have to have that TV revenue to survive. OK State just cancelled homecoming that that is very foreshadowing.

[OKCretro]

We can't possibly reopen schools and "restart sports" until we are able to quickly process tests, and after 6 months of doing this, we are headed in the complete wrong direction.

sports? sports in general?

MLS, NBA and NHL are all playing sports and in bubbles. Once the players got inside the bubble the rates have gone considerably down.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nhls...223515733.html
https://www.nba.com/article/2020/07/...ficial-release
For some reason MLB didnt want to do bubbles. I think they could have had several maybe by league or even by division and been fine.
If MLB makes it to the playoffs look for them to bubble the teams in some location at that point.

you must mean high school sports?

[Pete]

Universities are losing tens and hundreds of millions. That is money that cannot be replaced. I'm not at all advocating that they should go back to in-person classes and playing sports, just pointing out one of many looming financial catastrophes.

Already, fully 40% of universities are not plannng in-person classes this fall and that number is growing every day. I'll bet it will be well less than 50% before fall classes start.

[Pete]

sports? sports in general?

MLS, NBA and NHL are all playing sports and in bubbles. Once the players got inside the bubble the rates have gone considerably down.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nhls...223515733.html
https://www.nba.com/article/2020/07/...ficial-release
For some reason MLB didnt want to do bubbles. I think they could have had several maybe by league or even by division and been fine.
If MLB makes it to the playoffs look for them to bubble the teams in some location at that point.

you must mean high school sports?

I mean ALL sports, including football and all levels of other sports.

No university sports are being played at all and haven't been for 6 months, and that represents way more teams, fans and dollars than the pro sports that have restarted in very limited ways.

[KTB]

Bubbles won't work in amateur sports. They are students first and have to attend campus. I think I heard the NBA is spending $1.5 million a day for their bubble in Orlando. I think if any pro sport wants to stay relevant and have fans after all of this then some kind of "bubble" will have to be implemented.

[Ronnie Jackson]

Bubbles won't work in amateur sports. They are students first and have to attend campus. I think I heard the NBA is spending $1.5 million a day for their bubble in Orlando. I think if any pro sport wants to stay relevant and have fans after all of this then some kind of "bubble" will have to be implemented.

Couldn’t they just use the Internet to learn remotely? There’s probably ways to make it work, but I don’t see the Big Money Donors fronting the cash to finance bubbles, even for D1 football teams.

[KTB]

With these types of delays, there is no point even testing.

Just quarantine eveyrone who thinks they may have it.

100% agree. Although most are presented with a financial vs moral dilemma and deciding income is more important.

[KTB]

Couldn’t they just use the Internet to learn remotely? There’s probably ways to make it work, but I don’t see the Big Money Donors fronting the cash to finance bubbles, even for D1 football teams.

I don't know the NCAA rules about a student athlete. I know OSSAA states the student has to attend at least one class on campus to be able to play sports. If a student can't even take one class in person because of Covid-19 should we even consider sports essential enough to play? D-1 is amateur sports and nobody is going to pay for a bubble that big.

[Pete]

^

More importantly, college players aren't paid while the university and coaches make millions.

No way can they offer up players in this way; especially if the schools themselves deem their own campuses unsafe for the casual student to sit in a classroom.

[C_M_25]

It's funny. When the numbers come in sky high, it's all doom and gloom around here and I get roasted when I suggest not to trust these numbers right now. Now that the numbers are low, all I see is "we can't trust these numbers!!!"

I tried to tell you all that they are completely unreliable right now...whether they're high or low.

[KTB]

^

More importantly, college players aren't paid while the university and coaches make millions.

No way can they offer up players in this way; especially if the schools themselves deem their own campuses unsafe for the casual student to sit in a classroom.

While they may not be paid, they do receive room and board, an education, and exposure. I would have loved that opportunity if I was gifted in a sport (I wasn't!).

If it's unsafe for classes it's unsafe to play.

[KTB]

It's funny. When the numbers come in sky high, it's all doom and gloom around here and I get roasted when I suggest not to trust these numbers right now. Now that the numbers are low, all I see is "we can't trust these numbers!!!"

I tried to tell you all that they are completely unreliable right now...whether they're high or low.

Same here! Numbers flying all around me and I'm just sitting here trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Sometimes I feel like everyone around me has an agenda to push and I just want to live my simple life.

[Pete]

As has been stated over and over, look at trends and data from surrounding states and from the country overall.

You don't have to dive down into each daily number in each county and state to see a clear pattern.


It's not just "garbage in, garbage out". Some info is temporarily incomplete or late; that in no way should distract from broad and obvious trends.

We are not splitting the atom, here. People are just merely trying to decide very big and general questions like: Should schools fully reopen?

And the information that it is taking 1-2 weeks to process tests is very important in itself.

[BDP]

With these types of delays, there is no point even testing.

Just quarantine eveyrone who thinks they may have it.

Looks like that's the only option at this point.

Meanwhile, in the UK:

Roll-out of 2 new rapid coronavirus tests ahead of winter

[Ronnie Jackson]

I’m noticing a lot of seemingly acceptable posts being removed. Is something wrong with the Servers?

[Pete]

I’m noticing a lot of seemingly acceptable posts being removed. Is something wrong with the Servers?

I'm still deleting a bunch due to politics and completely incorrect information.

In the future, any questions about board moderation should be dealt with through a private message to me.

[jn1780]

If they can't process tests in a timely manner then any daily numbers are useless. My daughter still hasn't gotten her results from 3 weeks ago. If she was positive she would have already been sick and recovered by now. If they have 22,000 backlogged tests then the daily numbers they post are also lagging, just like hospitalizations and deaths everyone is so quick to dismiss because they are lagging. Lagging numbers can never be charted and trends can never be observed. Are cases rising? Falling? Plateaued? NOBODY KNOWS because all the info we have is inaccurate. Garbage in-Garbage out

I think the most accurate-real time numbers are hospitalizations and deaths. Although a cause of death can be debated these are the only true facts we have.

Since the very beginning I only know three people personally that have tested positive. One was a friend's grandmother that died in early April. She was also obese, diabetic, and she had a heart issue. Death was listed as Covid which the family tried to fight with no success. Another friends daughter had no symptoms and a friends son last week in Stillwater is showing symptoms. He said it feels like the flu.

Yep, at this point the testing is pointless from a containment point of view. Your looking at what the virus was doing a week to two weeks ago. Looking at Hospital data and other states data I would say were at a plateau.

[soonerguru]

It is exhausting having to address repeated tropes that are irrelevant, such as any kind of argument about "low death rates" or "like the flu." Jeez, really people?

1. COVID-19 doesn't have to kill you to screw up your body and your life and permanently maim you.
2. Doctors have gotten better at treating patients than they were in April.
3. Any attempt to minimize the deaths that have occurred at the hands of this virus is borderline evil: did you really think there would be over 150,000 dead Americans by August 1 when this hit the US?
4. Perhaps lower death counts as a ratio of positive infections is reflected by the fact that a major share of new cases is among young people, but just because they are not dead does not mean they won't suffer potential life-changing damage to their minds and bodies.

Again, we have a memorial service every year on April 19 to honor the tragic deaths of 168 Oklahomans. We have a similar ceremony in New York to honor the memory of about 2750 people killed in the WTC attack. Right now we have lost about 550 Oklahomans in six months to this virus -- and counting.

It is not just about deaths! And no life is expendable. None.

[BoulderSooner]

It is not just about deaths! And no life is expendable. None.

do you think everyone should wear a mask every year during flu season? this would with out question save lives

do you think everyone in every car should wear a helmet at all times? this would with out question save lives ..

ect ect ect ect ect

[soonerguru]

do you think everyone should wear a mask every year during flu season? this would with out question save lives

do you think everyone in every car should wear a helmet at all times? this would with out question save lives ..

ect ect ect ect ect

Unserious question.