Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Bill Robertson]

22,607 tests pending! I’m certain that’s by far a new record for this stat.

[d-usa]

Our church is still closed and doing online services, with no plans to open in August so far.

[Bill Robertson]

Our church is still closed and doing online services, with no plans to open in August so far.

Good for them!!!

[d-usa]

Good for them!!!

We have already stressed that whenever we do open it will be with 100% mask use.

[d-usa]

“ Asymptomatic infection was common and potentially contributed to undetected transmission, as has been previously reported (1–4). This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection (1–3) and, contrary to early reports (5,6), might play an important role in transmission (7,8)”

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...bv81iyqgt80FyA

[Pete]

1,244 new cases, another record.

7-day rolling average now 1,093.


8 additional reported deaths.


Hospitalizations at 628.

[Pete]

BTW, people making a big deal out of Texas being a hotspot...

Per capita, Oklahoma has been adding about the same number of daily new cases as they have.

[soonerguru]

1,244 new cases, another record.

7-day rolling average now 1,093.


8 additional reported deaths.


Hospitalizations at 628.

This is frustrating and terrifying. Not enough of our fellow citizens or leaders are taking this seriously. Speaking as someone who has a young family member who got this, no one wants to get this! I know I am speaking to the chorus here.

My wife was at a CVS in North OKC when a middle-aged woman came into the store without a mask. The staff told her a mask is required to shop there. The woman said, “No, I’m good. Plus, I don’t have a mask.” They had a pile of free masks and offered her one. She said, “No, I’m fine, I am just picking up some coffee beans.”

This back and forth continued with the staff escalating the intensity of their demand that she put on the mask. Eventually the woman just bullied her way into the store, ignoring the workers and, at this point, other shoppers pleading with her to wear a mask.

If I had been there I may have lost it. This makes me incredibly angry. I am disgusted by the ignorance, selfishness, and entitlement on display.

Some of these same people will blow a gasket when they find out they won’t have OU tickets due to seating limitations or when schools are shuttered through the spring.

[d-usa]

This is basically what it is like to read the Facebook group for Deer Creek Schools: “This is bull****, my kids won’t be wearing masks! My kids won’t distance! This while thing is fake! If my kids have to do anything I’ll pull the out of school!!!”

Followed by: “What do you mean kids will have to be at home 3 days a week and have a split schedule? I don’t have time to teach my own kids! What about people who work!!!”

People don’t want to do the stuff they need to do to control the spread and make things safer, and then are pissed when their refusal to do the bare minimum results in more severe actions.

And while I’m fully in support of safe plans by schools, including split school days or full remote learning as we are learning more about how children do actually spread the disease, I do hope that we open as soon as possible because the last thing this country needs is those folks being in charge of educating their own kids.

[TheTravellers]

This is basically what it is like to read the Facebook group for Deer Creek Schools: “This is bull****, my kids won’t be wearing masks! My kids won’t distance! This while thing is fake! If my kids have to do anything I’ll pull the out of school!!!”

Followed by: “What do you mean kids will have to be at home 3 days a week and have a split schedule? I don’t have time to teach my own kids! What about people who work!!!”

People don’t want to do the stuff they need to do to control the spread and make things safer, and then are pissed when their refusal to do the bare minimum results in more severe actions.

And while I’m fully in support of safe plans by schools, including split school days or full remote learning as we are learning more about how children do actually spread the disease, I do hope that we open as soon as possible because the last thing this country needs is those folks being in charge of educating their own kids.

As I've said before (maybe not here), it's a shame the virus doesn't discriminate between the smart ones who try to do the right thing and the absolute idiots that have no education in the Constitution, science, or really any f-ing common sense. America is doomed if we continue down this path, we're already pretty much a failed nation and this kind of absurdity just exacerbates the downhill slide.

[oklip955]

This is frustrating and terrifying. Not enough of our fellow citizens or leaders are taking this seriously. Speaking as someone who has a young family member who got this, no one wants to get this! I know I am speaking to the chorus here.

My wife was at a CVS in North OKC when a middle-aged woman came into the store without a mask. The staff told her a mask is required to shop there. The woman said, “No, I’m good. Plus, I don’t have a mask.” They had a pile of free masks and offered her one. She said, “No, I’m fine, I am just picking up some coffee beans.”

This back and forth continued with the staff escalating the intensity of their demand that she put on the mask. Eventually the woman just bullied her way into the store, ignoring the workers and, at this point, other shoppers pleading with her to wear a mask.

If I had been there I may have lost it. This makes me incredibly angry. I am disgusted by the ignorance, selfishness, and entitlement on display.

Some of these same people will blow a gasket when they find out they won’t have OU tickets due to seating limitations or when schools are shuttered through the spring.

I went to Tractor Supply in Guthrie yesterday for a part. Normally I go the one in Edmond but thought the Guthrie store would be slow at 4 pm. It was only 2 other people in there. They did have a big sign on the door that masks where required and as you entered they had hand sanitizer and a box of disposable masks for customer use. As I was getting ready to leave when I looked and saw a lady entering the store with a mask, I told an employee and they just shrugged it off as so what. They are not enforcing their own store policy. ugh. I guess they are tired of fighting the fight with people who refuse to wear one.

[C_M_25]

I certainly understand the frustration with people not wearing masks; however, you’re just going to have to accept the fact that you can’t control other people’s decisions. The goal of the mask mandates are working. The vast majority of people are wearing masks. There are 1-2 outliers everywhere you go. It’s better than 50% or more not wearing masks.

The fact of the matter is that the only way to get 100% compliance with it is to enforce draconian measures. That’s just not going to happen in this country. My suggestion for everybody’s mental health is just to focus on what you can control. Wear your mask. It helps you as well as those around you. If you find yourself in a store where people aren’t wearing masks, just leave the store. Go at a different time like when they open.

Also, there are many posters that swarm like a moth to a flame with the daily numbers. I’m curious in them as well, but we all need to see it for what it is. We’re seeing the effects of tons of back logged tests. We’re seeing more of the rates at which the labs can analyze the tests right now moreso than the actual rate of disease spread. I’m not trying to diminish the situation we’re in. We have measures in place. We have yet gone long enough to see if they work. You can’t control other people. The daily numbers are badly biased with error. Accept those facts. Try to embrace the new normal and get out and enjoy the nice weather!!

[Pete]

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As has been said over and over again, the trends provide the most reliable information.

And those trends are horrific no matter how want to portray them.

[d-usa]

If stores won’t enforce their mask rules I would at least prefer them to be honest and take all the signs down and advertise the fact that they don’t care about the rules governing their operations. That way we all know which stores to avoid and make smart decisions about our own health.

[C_M_25]

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As has been said over and over again, the trends provide the most reliable information.

And those trends are horrific no matter how want to portray them.

Trends derived from bad data are still bad trends. Again, hospitalizations are probably the most reliable data to derive any type of reliable interpretation from. That data suggests that we may be leveling out. We’ll just have to wait a couple of weeks for the epidemiology reports to come out with the corrected daily data to see if what the hospitalizations are showing us now is true.

[Pete]

Trends derived from bad data are still bad trends. Again, hospitalizations are probably the most reliable data to derive any type of reliable interpretation from. That data suggests that we may be leveling out. We’ll just have to wait a couple of weeks for the epidemiology reports to come out with the corrected daily data to see if what the hospitalizations are showing us now is true.

So it's bad data except for hospitalizations which is accurate because those numbers may be leveling out but we really don't know that because we don't have the data?

It's absurd to try and minimize this situation. Hope is one thing; trying to put forth the idea over and over again that things are somehow getting better is completely irresponsible and dangerous.

[C_M_25]

So it's bad data except for hospitalizations which is accurate because those numbers may be leveling out?

It's absurd to try and minimize this situation. Hope is one thing; trying to put forth the idea over and over again that things are somehow getting better is completely irresponsible and dangerous.

Wow. Ok man. Look at the data objectively as opposed to emotionally. They are reporting 1200 new cases today. That’s a big number. However, how many of those numbers are from today? It’s not 1200. We won’t know what today’s number are till the back log catches up. The moment you plot 1200 on a graph with dates, you’re immediately making the wrong interpretation. Hospitalization data does not suffer from that same lagging issue as the daily rates data.

[oklip955]

Sometimes you are limited as far as shopping time and places to shop. I am not buying dog food but a very specialized boom sprayer part. I have to shop stores that stock large boom sprayer parts. I have a one day window to spray because of rain. I am pasture spraying chemical. Not what the average person does or even owns a large pull behind ag sprayer.

[Pete]

Wow. Ok man. Look at the data objectively as opposed to emotionally. They are reporting 1200 new cases today. That’s a big number. However, how many of those numbers are from today? It’s not 1200. We won’t know what today’s number are till the back log catches up. The moment you plot 1200 on a graph with dates, you’re immediately making the wrong interpretation. Hospitalization data does not suffer from that same lagging issue as the daily rates data.

Not being emotional and take offense to that characterization.

Step back and look at the big picture.

Cases are going way up. If there is a backlog, that only works against your argument. The number of positives keep going up -- way up -- and therefore logic dictates the number of cases reported in a given day are actually much lower than the positive test samples collected on that same day.

And why is the backlog so large? Because people are worried about having the disease. And, it turns out, the positive rate remains very high as well so most people have good reason to go through the trouble of being tested.

And I suppose the rapid increase in deaths -- both locally and nationally -- doesn't matter at all?


I am very suspicious of anyone who looks at the data -- delayed and flawed as it may be -- and tries to make the case that somehow things are leveling out or getting better.

[kukblue1]

BTW, people making a big deal out of Texas being a hotspot...

Per capita, Oklahoma has been adding about the same number of daily new cases as they have.

Hum I think I said about a week or two ago we were the new Texas. I'm also saying now our mask mandate is pointless. Now don't get me wrong I am pro mask. I wear a mask and face shield at the same time if i ever so out which is hardly ever. What I mean by saying it was pointless as that it was just too late in the game. This thing is out of control and the only way I see getting it back under control is a roll back that will never ever happen. Also saw a couple post last night of scissortail park and people not wearing mask and were fairly close to one another. With this many cases per day the only way mask work is it everyone and I mean everyone wore one. Which isn't going to happen.

[jdizzle]

This rapidly increasing death rate. Where are we seeing this?

[Pete]

This rapidly increasing death rate. Where are we seeing this?

[d-usa]

https://bigthink.com/personal-growth...-vital-success

Hope and faith rooted in reality is important.

[pw405]

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As has been said over and over again, the trends provide the most reliable information.

And those trends are horrific no matter how want to portray them.

DID SOMEBODY SAY TRENDS?!??!?!

Cases and deaths (Rolling 7)



Cases only:

[C_M_25]

Not being emotional nor am I dead-set on justifying a position.

Step back and look at the big picture.

Cases are going way up. If there is a backlog, that only works against your argument. The number of positives keep going up -- way up -- and therefore logic dictates the number of cases reported in a given day are actually much lower than the positive test samples taken on that same day.

And why is the backlog so large? Because people are worried about having the disease. And, it turns out, the positive rate remains very high as well.

And I suppose the rapid increase in deaths -- both locally and nationally -- doesn't matter at all?


I am very suspicious of anyone who looks at the data -- delayed and flawed as it may be -- and tries to make the case that somehow things are leveling out or getting better.

It’s impossible to know what the back log is going to do. The up-and-down spikes in the data will likely smooth out. Again, it’s impossible to know.

Deaths going up now is not surprising as they typically lag behind hospitalizations. Not surprised by that in the least. It is unfortunate that they are rising, but it’s to be expected.

I’m willing to change my interpretation as time goes by and the true data trends pop out. Heck, I was about as alarmist as anybody; however, it’s been shown that there’s enough wrong with this daily data that it just can’t be taken at face value. I’m now taking it with a grain of salt and I’m leaning on a data curve that may be more reliable.

Just as you are suspicious of me because I’m leaning on a different dataset than you, I am very suspicious of anybody who takes bad data at face value. I’ll eat crow if I need to and I’ll change my stance as new data comes in. Science is not perfect. We have to be flexible in our understanding of the data proposed and make our best interpretations, and if necessary, change them as more data comes in.