Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[FighttheGoodFight]

Here's what worries me on this debate at City Council, because it's definitely a day late and a dollar short. Even if we overnight go to 100% mask adherence, this is not going to turn back around instantly. Count on 2-3 weeks of ongoing climb before plateau, and given how much trouble we seem to have with delayed gratification people will say "See? Masks don't make a difference."

If we can't convince people in Oklahoma that if they wear a mask we can have school and football then I believe we can't convince them of anything.

I've always loved Oklahoma and believed in the people and good change can happen here. After this whole ordeal my family is thinking about moving on to another state. I've never seen such hatred and foaming at the mouth here before.

[Libbymin]

Yeah if doctors and epidemiologists can present scientific evidence to people and they respond back with "don't listen to the medical community" and present their own set of "facts", then I'm not sure what else you can do.

[TheTravellers]

Too many aint maskers. Too many people won't wear one. Won't matter if this passes more business today said you have to wear a mask to enter. There won't be too many business that your going to be able to go into soon anyway if your not willing to wear a mask,. All the mandate is going to do is maybe protect the business more.
Would these people rather have a shutdown cause once hospitals get full which when you add another 70 plus again today is happening. Once they are full a shut down will be the only thing left to do. Death rates also now are going up. I think 7 today maybe 6 but it was the second highest number we have had since Mid May.

Problem with businesses requiring masks vs. an official government mandate with consequences is that businesses will have their employees being the ones called upon to enforce the business's mandate, with no real enforcement powers at all. If I was a min. wage (or even more than min. wage) employee at a store, trying to stop unmasked people from coming in would probably make me say "Bye, didn't sign up for this, above my pay grade, don't need this job", unless I really, really, really needed it (and sadly, lots of people in that position probably *do* really, really, really need that job because our national leadership (both POTUS and Congress) sucks eggs handling this pandemic). Whereas with an official mandate, the police can be called and they *do* have the tools to actually enforce the mandate, *and* it's their job to do things like that.

[Libbymin]

I'm just curious, how long can the public commentary section of the city council meeting go? Is there a time limit? Number of people? Or just when the mayor decides to stop?

[Bill Robertson]

Yeah if doctors and epidemiologists can present scientific evidence to people and they respond back with "don't listen to the medical community" and present their own set of "facts", then I'm not sure what else you can do.

With the number of medical professionals that have been on the community comments for passing this afternoon if the council votes no or even passes with not enough yeses for it to be immediate we as a city have a BIG problem with our “leadership “.

[chuck5815]

Problem with businesses requiring masks vs. an official government mandate with consequences is that businesses will have their employees being the ones called upon to enforce the business's mandate, with no real enforcement powers at all. If I was a min. wage (or even more than min. wage) employee at a store, trying to stop unmasked people from coming in would probably make me say "Bye, didn't sign up for this, above my pay grade, don't need this job", unless I really, really, really needed it (and sadly, lots of people in that position probably *do* really, really, really need that job because our national leadership (both POTUS and Congress) sucks eggs handling this pandemic). Whereas with an official mandate, the police can be called and they *do* have the tools to actually enforce the mandate, *and* it's their job to do things like that.

Wrong. Any person who enters a private business is a Licensee.

The person’s license may be revoked by the business at any time, including those times where a customer is violating a policy.

If the customer tries to remain in the store after the license is revoked, he becomes a trespasser and the police can be called.

[TheTravellers]

With the number of medical professionals that have been on the community comments for passing this afternoon if the council votes no or even passes with not enough yeses for it to be immediate we as a city have a BIG problem with our “leadership “.

Yeah, can't remember if I said it before here, but was telling my wife that no matter how good a job Holt and the Council have done up until now, their handling of the pandemic is like a semester final that is worth 75% of your final grade. Holt has failed the semester, hope the Council doesn't.

[Bill Robertson]

Yeah, can't remember if I said it before here, but was telling my wife that no matter how good a job Holt and the Council have done up until now, their handling of the pandemic is like a semester final that is worth 75% of your final grade. Holt has failed the semester, hope the Council doesn't.

The more if your posts I read all across this forum the more I like you. When it’s safe to I’d like to buy you a drink, beer, wine, coffee whatever you’re good with.

[soonerguru]

This won't be passing, will it...

Yep!

[soonerguru]

It’s not a myth at all. It just doesn’t fit your narrative.

Do us a favor and stop spreading disinformation: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0962-9

Thanks

The reference to my family member is anything but myth. Neither are Dr. Fauci's comments from this week. They are only now beginning to understand the damage this does to young people. No reason to be so snippy.

[TheTravellers]

The more if your posts I read all across this forum the more I like you. When it’s safe to I’d like to buy you a drink, beer, wine, coffee whatever you’re good with.

Ha, thanks, we do seem to be on the same page quite a bit... Maybe after my digestive system gets over all the alcohol I've been ingesting lately (and have now stopped for a while ), we can go to someplace that has a good dark beer on tap (unfortunately not the Prairie tap room - all they seem to have (had) is sours and IPAs on tap, weird they didn't have any of their Bomb-type beers on tap. ). So let's mark our calendars for the 2nd Tuesday of the 2nd week next March, lol....

[kukblue1]

BREAKING: Texas is reporting 174 deaths since yesterday due to COVID-19 -- by far the worst day since the pandemic began here. In 7 days 722 people have died, an average of 103 per day. During previous 7 days that was 63 per day.

Let's not be like Texas. How hard is this to understand.

[Pete]

^

Deaths in Oklahoma are up 87% from last week.

[Timshel]

I’m admittedly not watching so someone that is feel free to correct me or add context that wasn’t relayed to me, but we’ve apparently reached the point in the city council meeting where a concerned citizen is comparing the mask requirement to Jim Crow laws. I wish I could say I’m completely shocked, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

[LocoAko]

Is Todd Stone going to sink this? .......

[kukblue1]

Hospitalization went down to 547 (-57) I thought we add like 70 plus again today or they just spending people home on oxygen? That seems like a lot of recoveries in on day.

[jonny d]

Hospitalization went down to 547 (-57) I thought we add like 70 plus again today or they just spending people home on oxygen? That seems like a lot of recoveries in on day.

Always assume the worst, my man. Whatever makes Oklahoma seem the worst.

[Ohwiseone]

Is Todd Stone going to sink this? .......

He might.

It’s going to look really dumb if they push it off for next month and more cities that are smaller pass a mask requirement.

[TheTravellers]

I’m admittedly not watching so someone that is feel free to correct me or add context that wasn’t relayed to me, but we’ve apparently reached the point in the city council meeting where a concerned citizen is comparing the mask requirement to Jim Crow laws. I wish I could say I’m completely shocked, but nothing really surprises me anymore.

I'm embarrassed to be an Oklahoman (and an American) right now over the way this has been handled (among other things that I won't get into because it'd be too political). Our country is literally a laughingstock and being looked at in horror and pity by so many other countries (not to mention the travel bans and quarantines instituted from *and* within America).

[TheTravellers]

So, here's a story on the switch from CDC to HHS, still think it will go well and we'll still have all the data in a timely fashion?

Inside The Coronavirus Data Mess The Trump Administration Created

Two excerpts, but you should really read the whole article.

"Nearly a week’s worth of data on hospital capacity is still missing. While the CDC restored the dashboards that had been taken down, as of Friday afternoon, they had not been updated beyond July 14." (not sure how they get "nearly a week" from 3 days, though).

"There is more the administration has opted to keep to itself as it pushes for schools and states to get back to normal. An internal White House document obtained by the Center for Public Integrity shows that 18 states are in the “red zone” for COVID-19 cases, with more than 100 per 100,000 people last week. "

[BDP]

Yeah if doctors and epidemiologists can present scientific evidence to people and they respond back with "don't listen to the medical community" and present their own set of "facts", then I'm not sure what else you can do.

I'm pretty sure that memes are more influential on public policy than epidemiologists at this point.

[Pete]

Passes 8-1. McAtee was the lone 'no'.

[Bill Robertson]

Ha, thanks, we do seem to be on the same page quite a bit... Maybe after my digestive system gets over all the alcohol I've been ingesting lately (and have now stopped for a while ), we can go to someplace that has a good dark beer on tap (unfortunately not the Prairie tap room - all they seem to have (had) is sours and IPAs on tap, weird they didn't have any of their Bomb-type beers on tap. ). So let's mark our calendars for the 2nd Tuesday of the 2nd week next March, lol....

Sounds like a plan!

[Bill Robertson]

Passes 8-1. McAtee was the lone 'no'.

He seemed to me like he really wasn’t interested at all. Odd since he’s obviously the oldest and therefore the most vulnerable.

[kukblue1]

Always assume the worst, my man. Whatever makes Oklahoma seem the worst.

It's happening in a lot of states that to help the hospital workers they are just sending people home on Oxygen to help the doctors and nursers. I was just wondering if that maybe is something that is happening here?