Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

Here is an outline of the proposed mask ordinance.

Note that they pretty much exclude churches, which have already been identified as one of the most problematic settings. Also excluding schools and government buildings.

I can see Stoncipher's hand all over this. An attempt to proactively pass an ordinance while making some huge and odd exceptions.

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Masks would be defined as any face covering which covers both the nose and mouth. Here are some general CDC recommendations about face coverings.

The City Council may still make changes, but exceptions to the mask requirement as currently proposed would be:

• Children under age 6, unless required by a school or daycare.
• People working in an office who don’t have face-to-face interactions with the public.
• Patrons of restaurants, bars and similar establishments while eating or drinking.
• People in settings where it isn’t practical or feasible to wear a face covering, like receiving dental services, swimming or playing at a sprayground.
• People engaged in sports (including for recreation) or cardio exercises.
• People inside any federal, state or county building or facility
• People inside a public or private school building or facility, unless required by the school.
• People at a religious service or ceremony where social distancing is observed between groups of people from different households.

There’s a fine of up to $50 for a conviction on the first offense. The fine is up to $250 for a second offense and $500 for a third.

[OKCretro]

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’

What does taxing the uber rich have to do with Covid in okc?

Are the rich people who want to be taxed moving here b/c of the no mask requirement?

[Pete]

WE ARE SCREWED. Should be start a new forum called we are screwed. 77 new hospital cases. Record now of 638. It was 561 yesterday right. We start increasing 50 or more a day it's going to get bad real fast.

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 currently.

That's a huge jump for one day and a record by a mile.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

[PoliSciGuy]

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 current.

That's a huge jump for one day.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

At the press conference today, the Commissioner of Health said we have around 6,000 beds around the state, so that means about 1 out of every 10 beds is a Covid patient. We still have lots of room.

[d-usa]

We were informed by Southwest Integris today that they have reached capacity for “covid beds”.

[RustytheBailiff]

Why are state, federal and county buildings exempt?

Our office is on the second floor of a three story building. We have no interaction with the public so need not to wear masks under the proposed guidelines. The downstairs office does have public trade coming into their office. Since the building's HVAC system services the entire building, it would seems that everyone in the building should be required to wear masks.



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

[Pete]

At the press conference today, the Commissioner of Health said we have around 6,000 beds around the state, so that means about 1 out of every 10 beds is a Covid patient. We still have lots of room.

1) That is rapidly changing (went up 14% in just one day - today); and 2) those beds do not necessarily match up where people are sick.

[BDP]

... wearing a mask could have prevented him from getting it but he doesn't know and has no regrets. ....the mask stops you from giving it to others...

Wearing a mask may do more than that:

Wearing a mask doesn't just protect others from COVID, it protects you from infection, perhaps serious illness, too

Obviously, we can't do real controlled studies where we're exposing one group of mask wearers to a bunch of virus and another group of mask wearers to fabreeze, but there's a lot of anecdotal examples that really seem to show masks help.

On May 12, a hair stylist at a Springfield Great Clips salon developed respiratory symptoms, but kept working for eight days until a COVID-19 test came back positive.

Another stylist started getting sick three days later and worked for another seven days before testing positive and staying home. Both colleagues wore masks only when customers were present.

Six close contacts of the first stylist ended up coming down with COVID-19. But in the salon, where 98% of clients wore masks, things played out differently. Of the 67 clients exposed to one or both of the stylists and tested for COVID-19, not one tested positive.

Cruise ships in some ways are like a natural experiment," Beyrer said. "Things were done differently on different ships and the outcomes were different.

The first was the Diamond Princess, where 18% of those who got infected with COVID-19 were asymptomatic. Very few passengers wore masks.

A later infection hit the another cruise ship, the Shackleton. When the first case appeared, all passengers were issued surgical masks and all staff wore N-95 masks. While 58% of passengers and crew ended up becoming infected with COVID-19, a full 81% of them were asymptomatic.

Face masks could be key to getting back to as normal as possible before a vaccine is available. It will still require social distancing and handwashing, but masking could allow things to open up, said the CDC's Brooks.

"What weÂ’re saying is, if everybody will adopt cloth face coverings, we can begin socializing again without shutting down the economy," he said.

Ultimately, though, it's weird to me that the discussion is focused on whether there should be mandates, or whether Stitt or Holt are responsible for infections (or even deaths) because of their unwillingness to issue mandates because of a lack of political will or ability to issue mandates.

Either one of them, or both, could increase the use of masks by emphasizing the effectiveness of universal mask wearing and do this without issuing a mandate and most likely achieve BOTH an increase in the use of masks and a decrease in hospitalizations, and (bonus for the donors) avoid a stop and start economy.

[d-usa]

Why are state, federal and county buildings exempt?

An issue is usually that a city cannot tell a higher level of government what to do, so OKC can’t regulate what people in their buildings do.

[d-usa]

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

[PoliSciGuy]

Here is an outline of the proposed mask ordinance.

Note that they pretty much exclude churches, which have already been identified as one of the most problematic settings. Also excluding schools and government buildings.

I can see Stoncipher's hand all over this. An attempt to proactively pass an ordinance while making some huge and odd exceptions.

***************

Masks would be defined as any face covering which covers both the nose and mouth. Here are some general CDC recommendations about face coverings.

The City Council may still make changes, but exceptions to the mask requirement as currently proposed would be:

• Children under age 6, unless required by a school or daycare.
• People working in an office who don’t have face-to-face interactions with the public.
• Patrons of restaurants, bars and similar establishments while eating or drinking.
• People in settings where it isn’t practical or feasible to wear a face covering, like receiving dental services, swimming or playing at a sprayground.
• People engaged in sports (including for recreation) or cardio exercises.
• People inside any federal, state or county building or facility
• People inside a public or private school building or facility, unless required by the school.
• People at a religious service or ceremony where social distancing is observed between groups of people from different households.

There’s a fine of up to $50 for a conviction on the first offense. The fine is up to $250 for a second offense and $500 for a third.

I agree that the limits are kind've ridiculous, but it also ensures that this thing doesn't get immediately held up in court through First Amendment suits or concerns about different levels of government. I also wouldn't be surprised if Stonecipher didn't run this past other city members and had to add these exceptions to ensure he had the votes. Never hold a vote where you don't know the outcome ahead of time.

[Pete]

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

[Ronnie Jackson]

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’

Ahhh, this is a classic Travellers Move.
Always looking for a rich guy bailout.
Never fails!

[PoliSciGuy]

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

I yield to your expertise, should be interesting viewing. I hope even this watered down ordinance gets passed. Something is better than nothing.

[Pete]

FYI:

[d-usa]

https://oklahoman.com/article/566688...ks-for-answers

[Pete]

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

Since it takes some time for symptoms to manifest before most people will go get tested, this means we are yet to see the full spike after the 4th of July weekend.

[TheTravellers]

What does taxing the uber rich have to do with Covid in okc?

Are the rich people who want to be taxed moving here b/c of the no mask requirement?

Should've probably been in the Economic Impact thread, it is COVID-19 related, though.

[TheTravellers]

Ahhh, this is a classic Travellers Move.
Always looking for a rich guy bailout.
Never fails!

Um, no, income inequality is at historic highs, I've been talking about how unsustainable it is for *years*, as have been other people, and you can now see how badly it has hurt the US during this fiasco. And why am *I* "looking for a rich guy bailout"? Those words in quotes are *their* words, not mine. Did you even read the article?

[TheTravellers]

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

Also the First Christian Church thing.

[TheTravellers]

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

Apologies if you've said before, but what industry are you in? You seem to be in charge of a large amount of people and have good info, just curious...

[d-usa]

Apologies if you've said before, but what industry are you in? You seem to be in charge of a large amount of people and have good info, just curious...

I’m an RN working as an infectious disease coordinator. I work at a large non-medical institution, and I am involved with a public heath agency.

I know that’s fairly vague, but I’m trying to share general information without coming across as speaking for my agencies. “All thoughts and opinions are mine and do not represent X and Y” basically. Any guesses for specifics will neither be confirmed or denied!

[Ronnie Jackson]

Um, no, income inequality is at historic highs, I've been talking about how unsustainable it is for *years*, as have been other people, and you can now see how badly it has hurt the US during this fiasco. And why am *I* "looking for a rich guy bailout"? Those words in quotes are *their* words, not mine. Did you even read the article?

I sure did. Those rich guys are free to write additional checks to the Treasury anytime they please.

But I suppose quietly writing a check is less fun than Virtue Signaling in a dramatic letter to Congress.

[kukblue1]

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 currently.

That's a huge jump for one day and a record by a mile.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

Plus 2,000 cases in 2 days. Even only at 10% that's going to be another 200 in the hospital and that is just from the last two days.

[TheTravellers]

I’m an RN working as an infectious disease coordinator. I work at a large non-medical institution, and I am involved with a public heath agency.

I know that’s fairly vague, but I’m trying to share general information without coming across as speaking for my agencies. “All thoughts and opinions are mine and do not represent X and Y” basically. Any guesses for specifics will neither be confirmed or denied!

Gotcha, thanks, and yep, I understand, I don't post my employer freely either...