Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[mugofbeer]

Nothing fortunate about that, it's a shame our population is too stupid and disdainful of science, that we did little if anything to prepare for this. We watch China being engulfed by the virus, and did nothing, then we watched Europe become overtaken by the virus, and did nothing, then we watched England's epidemic and (I guess) we assumed we were somehow magically protected. Then came New York and the Northeast states, Washington and California all in March - did we do anything in Oklahoma to prepare? Not much. Now we are all surprised that we are in the midst of an uncontrollable pandemic. It could have been controlled very easily, but our half assed elected officials and our inbred macho image of ourself make us resistant to the simplest preventative measures, like wearing a mask. Yeah, we're fortunate all right....sigh


WEAR A MASK THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE MINE.

I say this in all seriousness. Some points you make are valid but have been made 50 times already.

You complain we watched China be engulfed by the virus and did nothing. We were lied to by China, provided inferior and even faulty PPE by China, blamed for the virus by China and, according to the recently defected Wuhan infectious disease doctor, outright mislead by the Chinese.

You complain we did nothing while Europe was getting hit hard. We didn't have any more knowledge of how to treat the virus or enough PPE for ourselves at the time, much less enough to supply Europe. I thought their wonderful, superior state run health care system was supposed to handle it? At this point, l don't see European countries offering the US much assistance.

As far as an inbred macho image, speak for yourself. Maybe you are inbred and macho but that just isn't a characteristic of this country. Young people will always consider themselves as invincible but what is it you think they are reasonably going to do? The left has gotten so anti police, their not going to "mind the law" or be good citizens because it's the "right" thing to do.

Suck it up and try to have a positive outlook and maybe you won't be so miserable. Go bbq something or read a good book.

[TheTravellers]

... Now we are all surprised that we are in the midst of an uncontrollable pandemic. It could have been controlled very easily, but our half assed elected officials and our inbred macho image of ourself make us resistant to the simplest preventative measures, like wearing a mask. ...

What you mean "we", kemosabe? Most of us on OKCTalk aren't part of that "we/us", thankfully.

[RustytheBailiff]

I say this in all seriousness. Some points you make are valid but have been made 50 times already.

You complain we watched China be engulfed by the virus and did nothing. We were lied to by China, provided inferior and even faulty PPE by China, blamed for the virus by China and, according to the recently defected Wuhan infectious disease doctor, outright mislead by the Chinese.

You complain we did nothing while Europe was getting hit hard. We didn't have any more knowledge of how to treat the virus or enough PPE for ourselves at the time, much less enough to supply Europe. I thought their wonderful, superior state run health care system was supposed to handle it? At this point, l don't see European countries offering the US much assistance.

As far as an inbred macho image, speak for yourself. Maybe you are inbred and macho but that just isn't a characteristic of this country. Young people will always consider themselves as invincible but what is it you think they are reasonably going to do? The left has gotten so anti police, their not going to "mind the law" or be good citizens because it's the "right" thing to do.

Suck it up and try to have a positive outlook and maybe you won't be so miserable. Go bbq something or read a good book.

Yes suck it up and die because we have incompetents running this country. Not a very good answer.

Apparently the administration knew of the virus as early as November. What did we do, well, we let Israel and NATO know, but nothing else (1). The idiot president blames china because they lied and then he calls it the Kung Flu (2). To blame it on China for lying is preposterous. Of course they lied, but we had CDC people working in the Wuhan, until we fired them (3). Regardless, we knew the existence of the virus long before they lied to us about it. We do maintain a spy network in China so to say they lied about it may be true, but we still knew of its existence and of it consequences. I read stories in late Feburary or early March about mobile crematoriums in Wuhan. We had time, we wasted it, except for those senators like James Inhofe and Kelly Loeffler who sold stocks.

As far as "inbred macho image", I think my word choice was wrong, I did not mean that we are a bunch of inbreds, but rather that we are instilled from childhood to have a macho image of ourselves which prevents us from following common sense and wearing a mask.

There are extremists on both sides, but to say the left is anti-police is just repeating the hogwash from trump's twitter and the crap spilled on Fox News. I believe most people that lean left still recognize that a strong police force is required for crime prevention. But police need to be held accountable. It was not the left's fault that a Minneapolis police officer knelt on George Floyd's neck for nearly ten minutes, while three other office either aided in holding Floyd down or simply did nothing. The video of that disturbing and repulsive episode hit youtube whilst the nation is in the middle of a lock down. It was no surprise that people took to the street. No the left is about police reform, not elimination.

Thanks for the warm wishes, but why do you thjink I am miserable? I am reading a good book, A Higher Loyalty by James Comey, but I have pre-ordered Mary Trump's Book so hopefully I can share some new material with you shortly....

(1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-ale...vember-report/
(2) As my family are Asian-Americans, I find the impotus's racism not only intolerable but also dangerous as now strangers are accusing my family of somehow being responsible for this disease.
(3) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...break-n1166186


STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

[soonerguru]

Over or Under 925 on Tuesday?. I'm going to take the Over How our leaders don't think this is out of control is unbelievable to me

Our leaders have given up. They allow a vocal minority of Qanon conspiracy nuts to bully them into inaction. It is an unfolding catastrophe. I know two more people who tested positive today and awaiting results for a family member whom we are 99% convinced has it.

[jdizzle]

Our leaders have given up. They allow a vocal minority of Qanon conspiracy nuts to bully them into inaction. It is an unfolding catastrophe. I know two more people who tested positive today and awaiting results for a family member whom we are 99% convinced has it.

I think that, rather than overall #s of cases, we should look at overall hospitalizations at a GIVEN POINT IN TIME. Looking even at past hospitalizations does no good, and only serves to twist facts and manipulate. Days in which net hospitalizations go down should be looked at as positive. If I have it, but don't waste ER or ICU space, then I can self-quarantine and move on with life without being a burden on society. I know the limiting the spread is important, but it appears that for every 1 person who shows severe or moderate symptoms, 7 or 8 show nothing, if not an even greater discrepancy. If this truly is a weakened strain, than maybe now is the time for herd immunity (partial, not total, of course).

I am not advocating going out and licking everyone or not wearing a mask. I will be wearing mine, and hope others do, as well. But if they won't, better now than in 4 months when the flu returns.

[mkjeeves]

I think that, rather than overall #s of cases, we should look at overall hospitalizations at a GIVEN POINT IN TIME. Looking even at past hospitalizations does no good, and only serves to twist facts and manipulate. Days in which net hospitalizations go down should be looked at as positive. If I have it, but don't waste ER or ICU space, then I can self-quarantine and move on with life without being a burden on society. I know the limiting the spread is important, but it appears that for every 1 person who shows severe or moderate symptoms, 7 or 8 show nothing, if not an even greater discrepancy. If this truly is a weakened strain, than maybe now is the time for herd immunity (partial, not total, of course).

I am not advocating going out and licking everyone or not wearing a mask. I will be wearing mine, and hope others do, as well. But if they won't, better now than in 4 months when the flu returns.

It’s around 10 to one. And then there’s the people who have it but are still in the incubation period, are contagious but don’t know it yet. So 20 to 1 known cases? 30 to 1? Full on fail many citizens and our leaders haven’t taken steps to lesson the impact.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...19-update.html

[Edmond Hausfrau]

This is only one miniscule data point, but the hospital chain I am contracted with has doubled their total inpatient Covid 19 load in past 72 hours.
Sadly, of the 30 patients total, 15 are in OKC and 13 are in Tulsa, the remaining 2 are in mountain states.
Not very reassuring.

[pw405]

READ THIS. Especially if you're a "but the death rate is low" trumpeteer.

https://twitter.com/koko_vivian/stat...663172096?s=19

[Pete]

510 new cases; a record for a Monday

2 additional people have died.

[Pete]

7-day rolling average is now 626, an all-time high.

[kukblue1]

510 new cases; a record for a Monday

2 additional people have died.

Wooo Hooo. Beat Texas. #sarcasm

[Pete]

I think that, rather than overall #s of cases, we should look at overall hospitalizations at a GIVEN POINT IN TIME. Looking even at past hospitalizations does no good, and only serves to twist facts and manipulate.

Hospitalizations on any given day are strongly trending up, just like new cases and new hospitalizations by day.

Is this where we then go to deaths and I post a graph that shows that starting to trend up as well?

All the data says the exact same thing and does not 'twist facts and manipulate'.

[LocoAko]

So this Thursday's city council meeting doesn't even have a vote. It's just informational. A vote COULD be called for some time next week.

I am utterly exasperated. So many of us have been urging action for weeks and we have to wait (at minimum) another week?

[kukblue1]

So this Thursday's city council meeting doesn't even have a vote. It's just informational. A vote COULD be called for some time next week.

I am utterly exasperated. So many of us have been urging action for weeks and we have to wait (at minimum) another week?

Maybe we need to have a march on the Capital with signs that say Our Health Matters. Take Action Now. Back to Phase 1? We should demand a meeting also that worked for BLM. This is crazy. I do see up to about 20 states now require a mask but our Governor has already said that won't every happen so we are pretty much doomed at this point.

[FighttheGoodFight]

So this Thursday's city council meeting doesn't even have a vote. It's just informational. A vote COULD be called for some time next week.

I am utterly exasperated. So many of us have been urging action for weeks and we have to wait (at minimum) another week?

Do they have the rule where it has to be read at one meeting then voted the next? A lot of cities are like that.

[Pete]

Do they have the rule where it has to be read at one meeting then voted the next? A lot of cities are like that.

No.

The Thursday meeting was always meant to be purely informational.

The agenda specifically states that no action will be taken, even a preliminary introduction of a possible ordinance.


I posted all this upthread.

[LocoAko]

Looks like California is basically shutting most (indoor) things down again in a big rollback.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...m_source=twCNN

California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered Monday all counties in the state to close indoor activities at restaurants, bars, wineries, tasting rooms, movie theaters, family entertainment centers, zoos, and museums.

In addition, 30 counties have to also shut down fitness centers, places of worship, offices for non-critical sectors, personal care services, hair salons and barbershops, and malls.

[TheTravellers]

Looks like California is basically shutting most (indoor) things down again in a big rollback.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...m_source=twCNN



In addition, 30 counties have to also shut down fitness centers, places of worship, offices for non-critical sectors, personal care services, hair salons and barbershops, and malls.

Meanwhile, OK will not ever have a mask mandate, and our city council is just screwing around and apparently is going to just sit and blather on 7/16. You're doing fine, Oklahoma, NO YOU'RE NOT...

[kukblue1]

Meanwhile, OK will not ever have a mask mandate, and our city council is just screwing around and apparently is going to just sit and blather on 7/16. You're doing fine, Oklahoma, NO YOU'RE NOT...

We will be the new hot spot shortly. We are the next Florida, Texas, Arizona. We just have a small population so to many it won't seem as bad. Oh they only have 2,000 new cases a day it's not bad there. But in terms of population that will be bad very bad.

Oh and good for California. We need a National Shut down like this again for 3 weeks. We can't be having test results talking 8 days to get back to people. There are too many people to contract trace. We need even just 2 weeks to get things caught up a little bit.

[Libbymin]

What's even the point of an "informational meeting"?

[soonerguru]

I think that, rather than overall #s of cases, we should look at overall hospitalizations at a GIVEN POINT IN TIME. Looking even at past hospitalizations does no good, and only serves to twist facts and manipulate. Days in which net hospitalizations go down should be looked at as positive. If I have it, but don't waste ER or ICU space, then I can self-quarantine and move on with life without being a burden on society. I know the limiting the spread is important, but it appears that for every 1 person who shows severe or moderate symptoms, 7 or 8 show nothing, if not an even greater discrepancy. If this truly is a weakened strain, than maybe now is the time for herd immunity (partial, not total, of course).

I am not advocating going out and licking everyone or not wearing a mask. I will be wearing mine, and hope others do, as well. But if they won't, better now than in 4 months when the flu returns.

Update: my family member has it, is young with no underlying conditions, and is very, very sick. Honestly, I'm wary of your deflection on the topic. To your point, hospitalizations are way up and going up dramatically. Time to think of something else to BS about.

Thank you for wearing a mask.

[soonerguru]

So this Thursday's city council meeting doesn't even have a vote. It's just informational. A vote COULD be called for some time next week.

I am utterly exasperated. So many of us have been urging action for weeks and we have to wait (at minimum) another week?

Call your council member and the mayor.

[jdizzle]

Update: my family member has it, is young with no underlying conditions, and is very, very sick. Honestly, I'm wary of your deflection on the topic. To your point, hospitalizations are way up and going up dramatically. Time to think of something else to BS about.

Thank you for wearing a mask.

So how am I supposed to handle it? I am sorry about your family member, and I hope they recover very quickly!

But am I supposed to live in terror of this? I am careful, and advocate for others to be careful, as well. I just don't think that manipulation and fear-mongering are the best ways to do that. But I will pick a new topic to BS about, since my opinion goes against the masses on this board.

[Pete]

+47 net increase in hospitalizations since Friday (they don't report on the weekend).

Puts us at 546, second only to March 31st when the number was 562.

[kukblue1]

+47 net increase in hospitalizations since Friday (they don't report on the weekend).

Puts us at 546, second only to March 31st when the number was 562.

I give up. Our leaders have. Too many people that still believe it's a Hoax our only hope is if the virus kills its self. We shut down for far worse in April and it worked and worked well. Now we break some kind of new record everyday and sit back and do nothing. BS