Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[jdizzle]

The fact that we need sick people for hospitals to make a profit and stay open is a very messed up problem.

As for ICUs, that’s an issue that contributes to the problems and deaths with this. People like to point out that “shutting stuff down kills people because suicides”, but often those same people ignore the fact that an over stressed healthcare system will lead to increases in deaths from many other diseases.

They provide a service. If services are not being provided, how can a profit be justified?

[Mott]

They provide a service. If services are not being provided, how can a profit be justified?

If the fire department doesn’t have calls, they are sitting around in the stations getting paid to polish the trucks. But when needed the service is provided, and no profit. That’s how the world runs most of the health care systems.

[BoulderSooner]

If the fire department doesn’t have calls, they are sitting around in the stations getting paid to polish the trucks. But when needed the service is provided, and no profit. That’s how the world runs most of the health care systems.

that is also why the best surgeons in this country have lots of foreign patients that pay cash .

[PoliSciGuy]

Tulsa going with a mask requirement as soon as Wednesday, Holt just tweeted that there's a meeting on Thursday to discuss a similar measure in OKC

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/statu...58756405829634

[TheTravellers]

If the fire department doesn’t have calls, they are sitting around in the stations getting paid to polish the trucks. But when needed the service is provided, and no profit. That’s how the world runs most of the health care systems.

I've long believed that hospitals (not surgeons, doctors, radiology techs, people in general) need to be not-for-profit here in the US.

[jerrywall]

I've long believed that hospitals (not surgeons, doctors, radiology techs, people in general) need to be not-for-profit here in the US.

Just to be clear though, even going non profit it doesn't mean hospitals would just staff tons of unnecessary people sitting around waiting for a major health event. Even fire departments staff based on typical projection of needs; not based on responding to a 9/11 level disaster. So yeah, they'll have people sitting around being paid to polish, but that's still just a specific number of people that are on shift at that moment. Efficiency still will matter.

[BoulderSooner]

Tulsa going with a mask requirement as soon as Wednesday, Holt just tweeted that there's a meeting on Thursday to discuss a similar measure in OKC

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/statu...58756405829634

will be interesting to see if anyone votes against it

[Pete]

Holt issued all types of unilateral edicts regarding the Covid-19 situation (complete shutdown and reopening of businesses, curfews) but is now passing the buck to City Council on the mask issue claiming he is only "1 vote of 9". Certainly his prerogative but a purely political move to deflect heat regardless of what is decided.

[Bunty]

Net hospitalizations went up by 34 today.

5.2% positive test rate.

It can get a lot worse. It's 33% in AZ. NY peaked at 50%.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...positive_rate/

[TheTravellers]

Just to be clear though, even going non profit it doesn't mean hospitals would just staff tons of unnecessary people sitting around waiting for a major health event. Even fire departments staff based on typical projection of needs; not based on responding to a 9/11 level disaster. So yeah, they'll have people sitting around being paid to polish, but that's still just a specific number of people that are on shift at that moment. Efficiency still will matter.

Yes, agreed, but the just-in-time model and what we're doing is not working. Read a story a few days ago about how hospitals keep soooooooooooooooo much secret WRT how much procedures cost for this insurance company, that insurance company, this hospital, that one, uninsured, ad nauseum that it's clear it's working for nobody except the insurance companies and hospital conglomerates. Here it is, horrible to read, but worth it.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/why...prices-secret/

[TheTravellers]

Holt issued all types of unilateral edicts regarding the Covid-19 situation (complete shutdown and reopening of businesses, curfews) but is now passing the buck to City Council claiming he is only "1 vote of 9". Certainly his prerogative but a purely political move to deflect heat regardless of what is decided.

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When I wrote Cooper, I told him that Trump, Stitt and Holt have failed us, so they need to step up. I used to think Holt was one of the good guys, but not anymore.

[jdizzle]

When I wrote Cooper, I told him that Trump, Stitt and Holt have failed us, so they need to step up. I used to think Holt was one of the good guys, but not anymore.

One of the good guys as long as he agrees with you? If he veers off your holy path at all, he loses your respect? I think he has done well. He knows businesses can't afford to close again, as much as this board wants them to. He also knows hastily enacting a mask mandates will get recall petitions against him, like in Norman. Just my opinion.

[Bunty]

The controversy over mandatory mask wear is the height of ridiculousness. It's been a lot worse assault upon personal freedom and enjoyment when this all started. Thunder couldn't play any more. The Cher concert and all other concerts were canceled. Bars, restaurants, movie theaters and unessential businesses were shut down by the government. People couldn't make a living. The government compounded things by being unable to process the onslaught of unemployment claims. Yet, after all of that some people want to stir the pot over being required to wear a mask? May God help us.

So folks, please wear a mask when in public. Surely you and I don't want to return to another period of closed businesses and further lasting uncertainty as to when games and concerts can restart. If things don't improve by mid August, it may be doubtful that schools and colleges can safely resume classes in person.

[TheTravellers]

One of the good guys as long as he agrees with you? If he veers off your holy path at all, he loses your respect? I think he has done well. He knows businesses can't afford to close again, as much as this board wants them to. He also knows hastily enacting a mask mandates will get recall petitions against him, like in Norman. Just my opinion.

Anybody that doesn't mandate masks in the current environment such as the one OKC is currently experiencing and passes the buck is not a good guy, he's shown his colors. This is/was a test and he's failed. As Pete said, he's passed down unilateral mandates before, but then just went "Eh, not my problem, talk to the horseshoe".

[Pete]

He knows businesses can't afford to close again, as much as this board wants them to.

I *hate* this type of comment.

Characterizing a site of thousands in an attempt to justify your own position.

And this isn't even remotely true as I've yet to see *anyone* here advocate for shutting down businesses. Just an outrageous strawman argument.

[jerrywall]

The controversy over mandatory mask wear is the height of ridiculousness. It's been a lot worse assault upon personal freedom and enjoyment when this all started. Thunder couldn't play any more. The Cher concert and all other concerts were canceled. Bar, restaurants, and unessential businesses were shut down by the government. People couldn't make a living. The government compounded things by being unable to process the onslaught of unemployment claims.

So folks, please wear a mask when in public. Surely you and I don't want to return to another period of closed businesses and further lasting uncertainty as to when games and concerts can restart. If things don't improve by mid August, it may be doubtful that schools and colleges can safely resume classes in person.

Don't forget Elton John.... * grumble grumble grumble* I should have been sitting in my floor seats 5 days ago.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Ya kind of felt like Holt is taking the plan on not stating his opinion so if it goes bad either way he can say well I was just one vote! Pretty lame leadership from Holt.

[Pete]

Ya kind of felt like Holt is taking the plan on not stating his opinion so if it goes bad either way he can say well I was just one vote! Pretty lame leadership from Holt.

He has also already talked to City Council about this and likely knows where they will all vote on a mask decision.

[TheTravellers]

I *hate* this type of comment.

Characterizing a site of thousands in an attempt to justify your own position.

And this isn't even remotely true as I've yet to see *anyone* here advocate for shutting down businesses. Just an outrageous strawman argument.

Agreed, I'm not advocating for a shutdown, just everybody wearing masks, that's probably literally all it would take to keep things going and the infections to go down.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

He has also already talked to City Council about this and likely knows where they will all vote on a mask decision.

He could take a page from the Tulsa playbook and say " if Dr. Dart (McGough for OKC) says we need to do item x (masks, public hand washing stations, free testing) due to a public health emergency, and I am going to follow the advice of experts".
Note this tactic works best when your public health experts are, in fact, scientists.

[LocoAko]

Anybody that doesn't mandate masks in the current environment such as the one OKC is currently experiencing and passes the buck is not a good guy, he's shown his colors. This is/was a test and he's failed. As Pete said, he's passed down unilateral mandates before, but then just went "Eh, not my problem, talk to the horseshoe".

Yep. Is he just hoping that Cooper, Hamon, Nice, and a stray other council member help seal the deal? I don't understand the logic of taking the dramatic action of shutting everything down and banning gatherings, etc. early on in the pandemic (granted everywhere was), only to weasel out of having to make a simple decision on the one way that we could more safely reopen for all as we accumulate 6-8X the number of cases per day than when he'd taken the drastic action....

[Pete]

Yep. Is he just hoping that Cooper, Hamon, Nice, and a stray other council member help seal the deal?

Anything requires a majority so 5 votes would be needed.

I think it's more likely that he has the votes to reject a mask requirement.

[Pete]

From https://twitter.com/Hi_Dr_Nick in response to Holt's "I'm only one vote of 9" tweet:

[Pete]

Also from https://twitter.com/Hi_Dr_Nick:

[jdizzle]

From https://twitter.com/Hi_Dr_Nick in response to Holt's "I'm only one vote of 9" tweet:

Is Oklahoma in a state of emergency (Well, OKC)? Who would declare that? I thpught the state removed that declaration, but could be wrong.