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    Wed August 22, 2007
    City officials adopt seven priorities

    By Bryan Dean
    Staff Writer
    Roads, public transit and economic development were among the long-term priorities adopted by the Oklahoma City Council on Tuesday.

    The council updated a list of priorities developed two years ago by coming up with a new list.

    Council members spent several hours at a workshop at the Cox Convention Center coming up with the list of seven priorities covering a range of issues.

    Following is a list of priorities adopted with an explanation of each:

    Paying for growth
    With residential and commercial growth on the fringes of the city comes new roads, water lines and sewers. Maintaining that infrastructure is difficult because the city's revenue isn't growing fast enough to keep pace.
    The city is looking for new ways to pay for such needs. The city pays for most of its maintenance with sales tax money. Mayor Mick Cornett said one method the city can seek on its own is impact fees, which pass the cost of new infrastructure on to developers when they are building new houses or commercial developments.

    "It's the best solution I've seen so far,” Cornett said. "How far we go with that is an issue that I'm still playing out in my mind.”

    Cornett said the city will also work with the Legislature to come up with new revenue streams.

    Public trust
    Most residents are happy with their city government. A recent survey conducted by a private consultant on behalf of the city showed 77 percent of residents are happy with the direction of the city.
    After MAPS and MAPS for Kids, voters passed an increase to the city's hotel tax with more than 80 percent in favor. Maintaining that level of trust is a key if the city wants to accomplish any of its other goals, Ward 3 Councilman Larry McAtee said.

    "It's our responsibility to build on that and keep moving Oklahoma City forward,” McAtee said. "If things are going well, there is a tendency to want to just kick back, pat ourselves on the back and say what a great job we've done. But the job is not done. If you're not moving forward, you are moving backward.”


    Quality of life

    How do you create a city where people want to live?
    Council members believe offering a variety of recreational activities is a big part of improving quality of life.

    Ward 1 Councilman Gary Marrs said companies often look for cultural and recreational options when deciding where to locate.

    "A population as big as our metro area needs choices,” Marrs said. "We need the NBA and we need people who support the philharmonic and ballet. You've got to have a balance.”

    Improving quality of life doesn't necessarily mean subsidizing bigger venues and more concerts, Marrs said.

    He said the city has to give residents options and let the market drive expansion.

    "You've got to have the choices there, and then you have to let the citizens make those choices and fill the seats up,” Marrs said.


    Road construction and more
    Keepings roads drivable, water running and sewers draining may be the most basic function of city government.
    City officials listed maintaining infrastructure as a top priority. The first measure of success for that goal may be this December, when the city asks voters to approve a new general obligation bond issue.

    The $760 million bond issue would pay for road repairs, widening and other projects along with parks, public safety, libraries and other basic capital needs.

    Ward 5 Councilman Brian Walters, who previously has complained the bond issue doesn't include enough money for projects in his ward, repeated his concerns at Tuesday's meeting. The bond issue includes $25 million for Ward 5 projects and at least $50 million for projects in every other ward.

    City officials said the money went for projects most in need. Streets in the worst condition with the highest traffic volumes got funded.

    The streets in Ward 5 are generally in good condition because, unlike other wards, the city widened roads before new developments were built.

    "My concern is that the bond issue does not allow enough money for Ward 5 to continue being proactive,” Walters said. "We are fixing problems in other areas without being proactive in Ward 5. All I'm asking for is the dollars to continue that proactive approach.”

    Ward 6 Councilwoman Ann Simank said the city needs to put a priority on fixing areas that already have problems.

    "I really think we need to take a look at the inner core area,” Simank said. "I'm speaking primarily of our neighborhoods. Sometimes there are just not enough resources to get those needs taken care of.”


    Duplicating services
    Oklahoma City has offered to take over fire service for other metro communities struggling to keep up their own fire departments because of declining sales tax revenues.
    Officials from Warr Acres recently said "no thanks” to the offer.

    But Oklahoma City isn't giving up. Ward 4 Councilman Pete White said Oklahoma City has to lead the effort or it won't happen.

    "The biggest waste of money in government is duplication of services,” White said. "It isn't graft or corruption. I think we would all like to deliver better service for less. The quickest and easiest way to do that is consolidation.”

    Ward 7 Councilwoman Willa Johnson said every city in the metro area ought to be looking for ways to save money by combining efforts when possible.

    "We are all doing the very same things,” Johnson said. "We need some seamlessness in this. I've had a couple of experiences as a councilwoman where some of those lines of demarcation have caused some consternation for citizens.”


    Mass transit
    Everyone agrees Oklahoma City's public transit system needs serious improvement, but convincing citizens to invest in it now won't be easy, Ward 8 Councilman Pat Ryan said.
    "The need is not critical now, but if we wait until it becomes a burning issue, the cost and the need will be much higher,” Ryan said.

    Whether improved transit means a better bus system, light rail or some other solution remains to be decided. Light rail was the most popular idea submitted when the city asked citizens to come up with projects for a possible MAPS 3.

    Ward 2 Councilman Sam Bowman said momentum for improved public transit is building both among council members and in the public.

    "We are seeing some different users of the public transportation system,” Bowman said. "We are seeing a beginning because of the cost of gasoline, because of quality of life and air quality.”

    Economic development
    Cornett doesn't just want more jobs in Oklahoma City. He wants high-paying jobs.

    The city is looking for more ways to recruit quality employers to the area. But economic incentives are only one piece of the puzzle.

    Cornett said the city has to focus on bigger picture issues to truly compete for the best jobs.

    "You create a city where people want to live,” Cornett said. "If you are successful in that, you are successful in a lot of economic development areas. You've created an employee base. You've succeeded in addressing educational needs. You've given retirees a reason to stay, and you've given your younger people a reason to not leave when they've completed their education.”

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    When are we going to hear a MAPS 3 announcement?

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    I need to restate this.
    We do not need light rail!
    we need to go further, have a REAL mass transit system.
    Improved on the one we have now, have hydrogen fueled fleet, make transit to more places ie major employers,educational sites,shopping,medical,and of course the places that make OKC's quality of live worth while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmwise View Post
    I need to restate this.
    We do not need light rail! . . . .
    Are you kidding? Light rail is the future of commuting between Norman, Edmond, Yukon, MWC and OKC. And trips between downtown and places like the zoo, airport, Penn Square etc. for the Oklahoma City metro, just like most mid-sized and large cities coast to coast. There is such a pile of evidence that light rail transit works for working people, professionals, executives, . . . you name it, that it is not realistic to think or accept that light rail will not work here . . . period. Light rail is also proving to be one of the most effective engines for residential and commercial development, just as trolleys were in the past.

    Only Ernest Istook still thinks rail will not work in OKC and fortunately, we might have heard the last of him.
    The Old Downtown Guy

    It will take decades for Oklahoma City's
    downtown core to regain its lost gritty,
    dynamic urban character, but it's exciting
    to observe and participate in the transformation.

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    I'd be more than happy to pay my fair share for a light transit system. I'd like to see it happen.

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    I would too but my fear is that most people in OKC won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiko456 View Post
    I'd be more than happy to pay my fair share for a light transit system. I'd like to see it happen.
    Reality is that everyone that pays federal income tax, state income tax or buys fule is already paying their fair share for a broad aray of transportation subsidies. The federal money that comes back to Oklahoma is usually in the form of highway construction subsidies, same with the state and the motor fule tax proceeds are overwhelmingly directed toward highway construction and maintainence. City budgets are almost totally allocated to streets . . . the totals are in the hundres of millions of dollars per year. Even a shift of a few percentage points from highways to rail would start to take the pressure off of highways and begin the development of a comprehensive statewide rail transportaion system.

    Had most of the budget for relocating five miles of I-40, almost one-half of a Billion Dollars at last count, been directed into developing a state wide rail transportation network, Oklahoma would be well on it's way to becoming a national rail corssroads along with a national highway crossroads.

    Thinking outside the 18 wheeler doesn't happen enough in Oklahoma.
    The Old Downtown Guy

    It will take decades for Oklahoma City's
    downtown core to regain its lost gritty,
    dynamic urban character, but it's exciting
    to observe and participate in the transformation.

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    But, back to the general topic. I have been a fan of impact fees for quite a while and the discussions about tapping into this source of funding growth has been a topic at City Hall for years. It will make suburban housing more expensive . . . a good thing . . . compared to inner-city housing. I have often suggested assessing a fee of about $1500 on each new house constructed further than about thirteen miles from downtown and using those proceeds to rehab the inner-city infrasturcture. Water and serwer lines in the core are in serious need of repairs and replacement.
    The Old Downtown Guy

    It will take decades for Oklahoma City's
    downtown core to regain its lost gritty,
    dynamic urban character, but it's exciting
    to observe and participate in the transformation.

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    I'd like to see a light rail system with at least a few flimsy stations. Could you imagine going to work in okc with a light rail system that goes 70 miles an hour while its away from roads? It be a great way to head to the airport without using taxis.

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    I would highly suggest you look at this in regards to light rail to bus for mass transit.
    Look at the size of the cities with it.
    The size of the city in terms of surface and then population.
    We need to know where is the population living, working, and playing at that would USE it.
    I think making transit to more places ie major employers,educational sites,shopping,medical,and of course the places that make OKC's quality of live worth while.
    Its takes more then a shiney car/ or bus to turn my head.
    If you're suggesting a large scaled light rail includes more then Edmond and OKC but also Norman.
    That may work, but must include a bus line, because its just not possiable to get to all the places that I describe above in a rail system.

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    Light-rail short around $500 million
    By DAVE HELLING
    The Kansas City Star


    A new report says Kansas City’s voter-approved light rail plan faces a funding shortfall of $433 million to $545 million — even if the federal government pays half of the construction costs.

    Officials with HNTB discussed the estimate with the city council’s Transportation Committee this morning and copies were provided to reporters,

    “The money is not sufficient to do what was voted on in November, 2006,” said Mark Huffer, general manager of the Kansas City Area Transportation Authority.

    Clay Chastain, who proposed the November 2006 ballot measure, did not attend the meeting this morning and was not immediately available for comment.

    The estimate assumes construction costs of $1.42 billion to $1.65 billion for the 27-mile line from the Kansas City Zoo to Kansas City International Airport.

    Assuming a middle point for costs, $1.54 billion and $770 million in federal funding, the report says the 3/8 cent sales tax extension approved by voters still falls $415 million short.

    Engineers also estimated operating costs at $11 million in the first year, with fares and other revenue paying for $6.2 million of that. The total operating shortfall, the report says, would total $73.7 million, in 2007 dollars, through 2034.

    Total shortfall considering construction and operating costs: $489 million, assuming the midpoint construction estimate.

    “All public works projects of the scale of a 30-mile light rail line have constructability issues and physical challenges,” the report says. “There are several such issues of significance with the November 2006 initiative that should be noted because they result in extraordinarily high capital costs, threaten the feasibility of the project or result in unacceptable environmental or community impacts.”

    The full council meets later today to discuss a response to the initiative petition seeking to repeal the plan. Assistant City Attorney Bill Geary told the committee that the petition process to repeal the ordinance was legal, and outlined several possible responses, including another vote on light rail.

    Chairman Ed Ford said he believes it will take nine council votes to put the matter on the November ballot. He said that remains an option, as does a February election.



    www.kansascity.com | 08/09/2007 | Light-rail short around $500 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Old Downtown Guy View Post
    But, back to the general topic. I have been a fan of impact fees for quite a while and the discussions about tapping into this source of funding growth has been a topic at City Hall for years. It will make suburban housing more expensive . . . a good thing . . . compared to inner-city housing. I have often suggested assessing a fee of about $1500 on each new house constructed further than about thirteen miles from downtown and using those proceeds to rehab the inner-city infrasturcture. Water and serwer lines in the core are in serious need of repairs and replacement.
    Soooo...Tax me more to pay for something I don't use because I live in the suburbs?

    That would be almost as bad as taxing the childless to pay for public scho....Oh...Wait.

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    I would like to see the city be able to charge special assessments for building improvements. For example, if they build an expensive drainage system because a church has added a huge parking lot? Assess the church some of the cost for that drainage system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    I would like to see the city be able to charge special assessments for building improvements. For example, if they build an expensive drainage system because a church has added a huge parking lot? Assess the church some of the cost for that drainage system.
    Amen.

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    What I'd really like to see is a connected network of bike trails throughout the metro, i.e., a means to keep bicycle riders off of the roads. Those people are a menace. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt or killed.

    -- especially in Edmond.

    If I lived in.. say south Edmond or the Village, it might be nice to be able to ride my bike to work (safely and on a trail) rather than parking my way to work on the interstates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    Those people are a menace.
    That's awfully strong language. Why exactly are they a "menace"? It's not their fault the city doesn't build roads with wide shoulders or even (scandalous!) bike lanes. So they're a menace because you're lazy ass is in a hurry driving to work while you get fatter and fatter?

    If someone gets hurt or killed, it's sure not going to be because grams got sideswiped by a bicyclist who wasn't looking where he was going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown84 View Post
    That's awfully strong language. Why exactly are they a "menace"? It's not their fault the city doesn't build roads with wide shoulders or even (scandalous!) bike lanes. So they're a menace because you're lazy ass is in a hurry driving to work while you get fatter and fatter?

    If someone gets hurt or killed, it's sure not going to be because grams got sideswiped by a bicyclist who wasn't looking where he was going.
    Roads -- built for cars, not for bikes.

    Car drivers -- they pay ALL of the taxes for the roads.

    Bikes -- pay nada for the roads.

    And yes, when I drive somewhere, I generally want to get from point A to point B as quick as I can get there without breaking the law. Having some putz, or worse, a gaggle of putzes taking up both lanes while peddling uphill at 18 miles per hour certainly does not help me out in my goal.

    In fact, I used to have to take Rockwell from 220th all the way into town to work every day. On weekends, there would sometimes be entire clubs of bike riders out there on Rockwell, sometimes taking up both lanes, sometimes making passing virtually impossible, NEVER yielding.

    When I was an active bike rider, I stayed on bike trails almost exclusively. The only time not spent on bike trails was spent as much as possible on back roads getting to bike trails. I'd never ride on major roads unless there was a necessity to do so.

    While it is a great thing that you want to be in better shape, I'd urge you to do so without being such a royal pain in the ass for those of us who use the roads for what they were intended to be used for -- things with motors.

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    Bikes don't pay for anything. Bike riders--98% of the time--also own a car, so yes, they are paying for the roads. And whether they are built just for cars is arguable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown84 View Post
    Bikes don't pay for anything. Bike riders--98% of the time--also own a car, so yes, they are paying for the roads. And whether they are built just for cars is arguable.
    They pay a tax on fuel for their cars. They pay a tax on license plates also for their cars.

    I don't think it's my right to be able to sunbathe in the middle of the road or close it off for street a hockey game -- although either use might be desirable. What makes you think that it should be used for any other purpose it wasn't designed for?

    Oh -- and please argue how the street with lanes made big enough for cars, made specifically to withstand the weight exerted by cars are designed "for bikes" even arguably. Any logic you use to arrive at that conclusion would probably also support a use of streets for pedestrians, segways, etc.

    The only time your argument would ever come close to holding water is when those streets have bicycle lanes. Other than that, I can't see any reason to believe that a gaggle of bike riders are entitled to slow down motorists who generally count on traffic to flow at a given rate when trying to arrive at a destination at or before a certain time.

    If you're riding a bike for the purpose of fitness, why not utilize one of OKC's bike trails? I used to do at least a couple of laps around Hefner every day. Alternatively, I'd ride around at Edmond's Mitchell Park/Coffee Creek addition on their trails.

    Well.. this thread has succeeded in getting me ticked off at the SoB who stole my bike last weekend.

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    Once the price of oil continues to go through the roof, people will begin to look a bit more positively about bike riding. Where I live (Amsterdam) biking is of-course one of the main means of transportation. Bike paths criss-cross the city, people are not obese (figure that!) and the air is clean.

    OKC will never be Amsterdam (despite the wonderful Bricktown Canal), but a step in the direction of realizing that urban sprawl is slowing but surely killing the city is a good one. Light rail is great, but without a comprehensive urban development plan that re-focuses the city towards its heart, a biker-friendly policy (and I mean a sincere one), concentrated high-density buildings and zoning that encourages more people in a smaller area, and a basic realization that OKC has greatly surpassed it geographical growth limits, then we will never really have a chance at that urban utopia that so many on this site are dreaming of.

    Come on OKC! We can do better than that! Let's get off our fat backsides and use Portland or San Francisco as a model, not Dallas or LA.

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    David, a lot of people live here because they can be relatively close to their jobs while living on large acreages. I just don't think the San Francisco or Portland lifestyles really play well here. In those places, topography largely limits the sprawl. In OKC? There is essentially no topography. The only thing which might limit our growth somewhere down the road is water. But that's a ways off.

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    If bikes have to stay off city streets, then how can those who would like to ride to work, get where they are going? Bikes are not only for recreation.

    Where is Tim?

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    Those bikes can stay on back roads which are especially available in OKC. It makes no difference to a bicycle whether he rides on Western or some parallel no-name street. To the cars trying to get to work, it makes a big difference.

    Otherwise, riding a bike to work, unless you live and work downtown isn't really a safe or realistic option for 99% of us.

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    Areas built since 1950 or so do not have through-streets running parallel to main aterials. Cyclist do not like riding with cars anymore than drivers like cyclist. If there is a back way, the cyclist will take it.

    Even if only 1% (and considerably more people than 1% could realistically ride to work) of the metro population could feasible ride a bike to work, that would be 13,000 cyclists.

    So until a citywide bike network is built, we just have to share the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    What I'd really like to see is a connected network of bike trails throughout the metro, i.e., a means to keep bicycle riders off of the roads. Those people are a menace. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt or killed.

    -- especially in Edmond.

    If I lived in.. say south Edmond or the Village, it might be nice to be able to ride my bike to work (safely and on a trail) rather than parking my way to work on the interstates.
    Makes no difference. They won't use it anyway. In Norman where there are sidewalks all throughout the city bike riders still ride on the city streets taking up lanes of traffic, congesting traffic flow and nearly causing accidents. I've seen it a hundred times. Meanwhile the sidewalks sit relatively unused. I do, however, see the "non-serious" bikers use the sidewalk and by that I mean the ones who use their bikes to get to the store etc. as opposed to the bike riders who wear their fancy little get-ups.

    When I had alot more time on my hands (years ago) and road a bike I used to ride from 122nd and Macarthur to Lake Hefner to ride the trails there and I road on subdivision streets and avoided main roads as much as possible even if meant a longer ride than point A to B. When I did have to get on a main road I went against traffic so I could see cars coming at me and would get over into the grass when traffic came. It was more difficult but that way I was never in the way of traffic traveling at 45 mph. I guess today's serious bike riders are just way to weak to peddle off-road. Plus I never wore one of those rediculous outfits either, I just wore a basketball shirt, shorts and a baseball cap backwards.

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