Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

Stitt has scheduled a presser for 4PM today to discuss the Covid-19 situation.

[jerrywall]

There is a new cumulative number provided in the daily press releases.

It is not the same as the total currently hospitalized which actually fell 5 from yesterday.

Ah thanks. I was hoping there was some sort of data out there that I couldn't find. I was hoping for some sort of county breakdowns or more specifics.

[oklip955]

Agree, its because no one is social distancing be it at bars, restaurants, church activities or large backyard parties. I love attending church activities but with the current situation, its better to stay at home if your church doesn't social distance or you don't feel comfortable with the situation. Same with the other activities.

[PhiAlpha]

The mayor of Tulsa is in damage control mode. “Let’s not talk about the rally,” he said. The mayoral election is next month.

He's been far and away the best mayor Tulsa has had in a long time. He should be easily reelected regardless of the fact that he allowed the rally to happen. Not allowing the president to speak probably would've had a much more negative effect on his reelection. But given that the surge was happening well before the rally and that only 6K people showed up (who knows how many were actually from the Tulsa area itself) and that no one is singling out the rally as the sole cause...I don't it will have any effect on his chances of reelection one way or another.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Stitt has scheduled a presser for 4PM today to discuss the Covid-19 situation.

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

[Edmond Hausfrau]

National chains are asking governors to provide consistency on messaging because their employees are bearing the brunt of the public rage. It's not fair on the hourly workers to have constant battles with shoppers on masks or other protocols. And it's not fair on shoppers to try to guess the rules depending on what county, or state, they are eating or shopping or working in.

[Pete]

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

How much would that help anyway?

Everyone knows the most cases are in Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Stillwater and Guymon.

IMO it's just another graphic way of trying to deflect the seriousness of the disease.

[soonerguru]

He's been far and away the best mayor Tulsa has had in a long time. He should be easily reelected regardless of the fact that he allowed the rally to happen. Not allowing the president to speak probably would've had a much more negative effect on his reelection. But given that the surge was happening well before the rally and that only 6K people showed up (who knows how many were actually from the Tulsa area itself) and that no one is singling out the rally as the sole cause...I don't it will have any effect on his chances of reelection one way or another.

We will have to disagree here. He probably will be re-elected but he totally went against his “data driven” approach to governing. Not only did the data say it was a bad idea, so did the medical experts and scientists he said he is listening to, not to mention common sense. I have lost all respect for him.

[TheTravellers]

National chains are asking governors to provide consistency on messaging because their employees are bearing the brunt of the public rage. It's not fair on the hourly workers to have constant battles with shoppers on masks or other protocols. And it's not fair on shoppers to try to guess the rules depending on what county, or state, they are eating or shopping or working in.

1000x this! Even between cities here in the metro - places actually in OKC city limits have Edmond addresses (and I'm sure there are other examples of other cities), so things are massively confusing and inconsistent.

And retail workers shouldn't be expected to be police/front-line workers making sure that mask guidelines/mandates are enforced. No, I don't have a solution, but if I was a min wage sales person at a Skechers store, I sure didn't sign up for that kind of stuff (getting things thrown at me and verbally abused, with the possibility of physical abuse).

[PhiAlpha]

We will have to disagree here. He probably will be re-elected but he totally went against his “data driven” approach to governing. Not only did the data say it was a bad idea, so did the medical experts and scientists he said he is listening to, not to mention common sense. I have lost all respect for him.

We can definitely agree that it would've been better from a health perspective to have the rally outside or not at all. As far as reelection goes, I just feel like the totality of his work (and even the way he's handled the virus outside of allowing the Trump rally) should be taken into account over a single situation in which he was put between a rock and a Trump place.

[Bunty]

How much would that help anyway?

Everyone knows the most cases are in Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Stillwater and Guymon.

IMO it's just another graphic way of trying to deflect the seriousness of the disease.

Edmond, Broken Arrow and Jenks have more cases than Stillwater.

[Pete]

Edmond, Broken Arrow and Jenks have more cases than Stillwater.

The point is that the proposed map would just be color-coded by county.

[kukblue1]

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

What happen to that? WHAT THE HELL HAPPEN TO FLATTING THE CURVE. Seriously when is the last time you have heard that phrase. Total causes and hospitalizations are no where flat. I guess you could say deaths are flat but those are still happening every day.

[Bill Robertson]

What happen to that? WHAT THE HELL HAPPEN TO FLATTING THE CURVE. Seriously when is the last time you have heard that phrase. Total causes and hospitalizations are no where flat. I guess you could say deaths are flat but those are still happening every day.

The phrase is obsolete. It was the basis for reopening. I believe new cases were pretty flat mid-April. Hospitalizations and deaths were decreasing. So we reopened. I’ve already covered why high numbers had to be expected if everyone just went back to normal. Which is largely what happened.

[Pete]

I’ve already covered why high numbers had to be expected if everyone just went back to normal. Which is largely what happened.

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

[TheTravellers]

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

I did, and didn't most sane, rational people think the same as Bill? I know I posted the same weeks/months ago, but yeah, the bolded part above is the crux of it...

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-...cond-wave-fall
AMA and this Harvard Epidemiologist had it on their radar, back in early May.
WHO seemed quite aware, but our political leadership has not found them to be viable partners.
Fauci gave interview back in March about learning lessons from NY or suffering the consequences later. He reiterated it in May, especially his concern about possible spikes in the 18-35 group.
All of our political leaders have access to all the top global and national public health experts. What they choose to do with the scientific data and evidence-based practices? That's a different question.

[jerrywall]

Yeah, being able to predict the consequences of just returning back to normal is not the same as saying "everything is good and we were planning on these numbers". And it doesn't mean folks in charge were expecting these large numbers.

[Pete]

^

My point is that people keep trying to put forth the idea that what we are experiencing now was expected by the people making the decisions to open businesses and make other decisions.

That these daily record highs across the board are all part of the original plan.

[jerrywall]

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-...cond-wave-fall
AMA and this Harvard Epidemiologist had it on their radar, back in early May.
WHO seemed quite aware, but our political leadership has not found them to be viable partners.
Fauci gave interview back in March about learning lessons from NY or suffering the consequences later. He reiterated it in May, especially his concern about possible spikes in the 18-35 group.
All of our political leaders have access to all the top global and national public health experts. What they choose to do with the scientific data and evidence-based practices? That's a different question.

This line from that article was prescient -

“But the downside,” Lipsitch warned, “is that many jurisdictions will have a plan to open up but not a plan to reclose, leading to more situations like New York, New Orleans and Detroit where there’s extreme strains on the heath care.”

This has been my concern. I didn't have a problem (and in fact supported) with our reopen plan, but I thought there was going to be more planning/steps in place for moving backwards if and when needed.

[jerrywall]

^

My point is that people keep trying to put forth the idea that what we are experiencing now was expected by the people making the decisions to open businesses and make other decisions.

That these daily record highs across the board are all part of the original plan.

Yeah, but just based on his past posts and comments, I don't think that's what Bill or anyone was saying.

[Pete]

My bad, if true.

[jn1780]

Some of the countries and city's that are doing better at containment now are also some that had some of the largest outbreaks. That certainly helps people remember to be more careful. Having a good amount of your population with at least some kind of immunity(How ever long that lasts) helps lower R0 to the point where testing and contact testing is more effective.

[Pete]

Mayor Holt has called a special meeting for July 16th that will jointly feature City Council and the Oklahoma City-County Board of Health.

The purpose is to discuss Covid-19 issues.


Holt recently posted to Twitter:

As I said last week, this pandemic is a long term challenge & long term challenges require long term responses that are created through a democratic process & are supported by comprehensive enforcement mechanisms.
Mayor David Holt
@davidfholt
·
Jul 7
As the mitigation aspects of our pandemic response re-enter the realm of representative democracy, please reach out to your Councilmembers to let them know your views.

Be well, OKC. Wear your mask.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Stitt presser pushed to 4:45 since he is at the police funeral in Tulsa.

Saw a picture of the funeral. Packed house with not a mask in sight. Not a great look again.