Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Bill Robertson]

I’ve always known I was very non-political but I didn’t realize to what extent until the mask wearing = political point of view war started. I just don’t get why the two sides of the mask debate should be connected to political view. I completely get that to many people they are but they shouldn’t be.

[C_M_25]

I made an interesting observation while studying the New York City data. I looked only at their curves because my time to look at this stuff is limited at the moment, and they have the most complete cycle in the us. We all talk about the lag time between cases and deaths. Their peak case count only lagged behind their peak death counts by a little less than a week. I’m curious if that holds true for other areas around that same time.

We haven’t hit our peak case count yet, but our deaths really haven’t started ticking up on a similar path to case counts (exponential) like it did in nyc. If you use the same trends as nyc, we should have significantly higher deaths by now. Perhaps, the strides we’re making really are having a noticeable effect?

[Bill Robertson]

I made an interesting observation while studying the New York City data. I looked only at their curves because my time to look at this stuff is limited at the moment, and they have the most complete cycle in the us. We all talk about the lag time between cases and deaths. Their peak case count only lagged behind their peak death counts by a little less than a week. I’m curious if that holds true for other areas around that same time.

We haven’t hit our peak case count yet, but our deaths really haven’t started ticking up on a similar path to case counts (exponential) like it did in nyc. If you use the same trends as nyc, we should have significantly higher deaths by now. Perhaps, the strides we’re making really are having a noticeable effect?

I keep reading posts that state long lag times, a few weeks, between confirmed tests and deaths in those cases that are fatal. The Health Dept Epidemiology Reports have the median time from confirmed positive to death as 11 days.

[C_M_25]

I just looked at Italy’s data, and it shows similar trends to that described above. Their total cases peaked sometime in early April and their deaths peaked around mid-April. The interesting thing about the death curve is that it really ramped up about a week after the first cases started rolling in. The death curve didn’t stay flat either. It really ramped up quickly. I’m trying to look for any ray of positivity right now, and the best that I can find is that our growth rates look nothing like NYC and Italy early on. I’m not saying they won’t ramp up, but maybe we’ll flatten the death curve a bit with our current knowledge.

The caveat with comparing directly to NYC and Italy is the relative proportion of older folks impacted early on in this disease. Clearly, our current case counts are affecting a younger class therefore the death trends should be different.

[d-usa]

I made an interesting observation while studying the New York City data. I looked only at their curves because my time to look at this stuff is limited at the moment, and they have the most complete cycle in the us. We all talk about the lag time between cases and deaths. Their peak case count only lagged behind their peak death counts by a little less than a week. I’m curious if that holds true for other areas around that same time.

We haven’t hit our peak case count yet, but our deaths really haven’t started ticking up on a similar path to case counts (exponential) like it did in nyc. If you use the same trends as nyc, we should have significantly higher deaths by now. Perhaps, the strides we’re making really are having a noticeable effect?

Without looking at the underlying data, I wonder if it’s a matter of us improving access to testing compared to earlier in the year. When testing was limited, the only people that got tested were people who were already pretty ill and or in the hospital. If you are tested at that point, you might be closer to death already.

Now we are testing more, and we are testing earlier. So if we are able to test people prior to being sick enough to qualify for testing in March, the lag time between test and hospital/death might be increasing.

But again, without baseline data that’s just a guess on my part.

[Jersey Boss]

Proposed amendments are being voted on first. Actual ordinance still not voted on yet. Stay tuned
After second reading ordinance passes 8-1. Scanlon voted no. Emergency provision passes. Mandate expires 11.30.29
This is leadership. Pay attention Governor Stitt.

[dankrutka]

But it is either weaker, or we have gotten better at treating it. Either way is a plus. But yes, we need to get better at containing it.

There is no solid evidence yet that there is a weaker version of the virus in the U.S. The only consensus difference seems to be that is spread easier. From what I've read, the U.S. has only had the version of the virus that mutated in Italy by way of China. So, any changes since it's been in the U.S. are likely due to other factors (e.g., improved treatments).

[dankrutka]

I’ve always known I was very non-political but I didn’t realize to what extent until the mask wearing = political point of view war started. I just don’t get why the two sides of the mask debate should be connected to political view. I completely get that to many people they are but they shouldn’t be.

Polls show that most people agree with you, but there is little doubt that (a) the President has politicized the issue to his base and (b) the anti-vaxxer YouTube conspiracy theorists have more influence than they should (largely due to social media algorithms that reward outrageous and extreme claims). I'd argue that the former is the bigger influence. But, yes, there is absolutely no reason this should be a partisan issue.

[oilmud]

Yeah, but then you are asking the person to potentially be exposed to the CV.

I would vote for a $3,000 fine, which is equivalent to the fines charged in South Korea.

It’s just unfortunate that we have a bunch of Sissy Republicans running this GD state. They have no interest in fighting this.

Holy political statement

[soonerguru]

I made an interesting observation while studying the New York City data. I looked only at their curves because my time to look at this stuff is limited at the moment, and they have the most complete cycle in the us. We all talk about the lag time between cases and deaths. Their peak case count only lagged behind their peak death counts by a little less than a week. I’m curious if that holds true for other areas around that same time.

We haven’t hit our peak case count yet, but our deaths really haven’t started ticking up on a similar path to case counts (exponential) like it did in nyc. If you use the same trends as nyc, we should have significantly higher deaths by now. Perhaps, the strides we’re making really are having a noticeable effect?

Hospitalizations lag new cases. Deaths lag hospitalizations.

[Pete]

The U.S. surpassed 60,000 new cases for the first time yesterday.

There were also close to 1,000 deaths, as fatalities and hospitalizations are starting to trend up.

And all this with schools closed for many months now.

[brian72]

Better have the schools open this Fall. All I’m saying.

[floyd the barber]

Right now I think we will see about 240,000 deaths by the end of the year.

Just frustrating. We see from other countries that there is a solution to bend the numbers but we think we know best.

[burlap]

Better have the schools open this Fall. All I’m saying.

The question isn't "should we open schools". Everyone should want schools to re open.

The question is "What do we do to keep the schools open?". If you open them in AZ, you are going to have to probably end up shutting them down. Staff will get sick. It's inevitable.

[LocoAko]

Better have the schools open this Fall. All I’m saying.

We're not doing a great job now of making that a feasible reality.

[RustytheBailiff]

Better have the schools open this Fall. All I’m saying.

Why are you in a hurry to have your children infected? To open school whilst we still do not have sufficient testing in place will be criminally negligent While the school children may be less effected by the virus, they will surely pass it on to their parent, grandparents and teachers.



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

[Pete]

The irony of all this is that many are clamoring for the 'freedom' and 'right' to go where they want; to reopen churches and bars and schools and sports.

But very few are willing to make the small adjustments now to make those things possible in the near future.

[burlap]

The irony of all this is that many are clamoring for the 'freedom' and 'right' to go where they want; to reopen churches and bars and schools and sports.

But very few are willing to make the small adjustments now to make those things possible in the near future.

It's American exceptionalism and hyper selfishness. It will be the downfall of the country if it continues at the level where everything is decided through a political lens. The country threw out a president the last time their leader asked them to make a sacrifice.

[brian72]

I don’t want anybody to get sick I promise you that, but for the sake of the kids psychological well being this needs to happen. They need to be around kids their own age so they learn how to work through problems and socialize and to grow. You cannot do that if you’re not around the same age of people. The school districts should be on top of this, how to wear a mask how to wash/sanitize hands in classroom.

[jccouger]

The school issue is definitely the most torn on any issue I've been so far. There is so much positive & negative that will come from sending kids to school this fall. I'm not sure how any side can ignore both. I'm not sure what the solution is, don't really think there is one.

I wonder if there is some way that kids can go to school in shifts to cut down on class room size. Kind of like the Kindergarten morning/noon schedule.

Also, I know in middle school high school most students have their own schedules were they rotate to different classrooms. I wonder if they could make sure all kids stayed in the same groups while they rotated. That might help slow some of the spread if they aren't around as many kids.

[Pete]

The bottom line is that many, many families rely on schools as daycare.

This is particularly true of the working class.

[AP]

The bottom line is that many, many families rely on schools as daycare.

This is particularly true of the working class.

Agreed. Something I really admire about Ivanka is her push for affordable childcare and paid maternity leave. Childcare will soon be the biggest expense in my budget. I'm not sure how less fortunate families make it work.

[chuck5815]

Agreed. Something I really admire about Ivanka is her push for affordable childcare and paid maternity leave. Childcare will soon be the biggest expense in my budget. I'm not sure how less fortunate families make it work.

It's a lot like Healthcare. You can't offshore the labor, the regulations continue to grow more complex, and everyone wants the best for their children -- hence it becomes less affordable.

[Pete]

Agreed. Something I really admire about Ivanka is her push for affordable childcare and paid maternity leave. Childcare will soon be the biggest expense in my budget. I'm not sure how less fortunate families make it work.

If you can even find a responsible daycare facility.

Many of the working-class leave it to extended family or an older sibling to help fill in the gaps. Summers are just to get through one way or another while they wait for school to start again.

[AP]

It's a lot like Healthcare. You can't offshore the labor, the regulations continue to grow more complex, and everyone wants the best for their children -- hence it becomes less affordable.

Other countries seem to have it figured out on both fronts so I'm sure there is some improvement to be made.