Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[jdizzle]

Is that an Oklahoma policy? In Colorado, I believe they are only counting and reporting deaths and hospitalizations for those where COVID was the primary or only factor.

If there is one positive take away from ALL of this, hopefully, we can get policies for reporting standardized so god-forbid the next pandemic can be handled expediently and accurately. This real-world scenario has shown incompetency and inconsistency from all forms of government and policymakers across the world. When this is over hopefully everyone from the city level to the global level can find some sort of middle ground for reporting so we have true apples-apples comparisons.

This is a very liberal way of reporting the information. It is sad, since all these #s tend to do is fear monger. That hospitalization is most likely overstated, in terms of how many went there JUST for COVID reasons.

[catch22]

This is a very liberal way of reporting the information. It is sad, since all these #s tend to do is fear monger. That hospitalization is most likely overstated, in terms of how many went there JUST for COVID reasons.

How? It's showing those truly affected by COVID, and not simply someone who died in a motorcycle accident who tested positive for COVID.

[jdizzle]

How? It's showing those truly affected by COVID, and not simply someone who died in a motorcycle accident who tested positive for COVID.

Because if I go in for a hernia repair, but test positive for COVID, I get counted as a hospitalization by COVID, not the reason I went. It can make people think the virus is way worse than it seems to be, right now. Cases rise, but deaths are very, very minimally going up with them.

[Pete]

Because if I go in for a hernia repair, but test positive for COVID, I get counted as a hospitalization by COVID, not the reason I went. It can make people think the virus is way worse than it seems to be, right now. Cases rise, but deaths are very, very minimally going up with them.

Now we're back to deaths?

It's true that the percentage of people who test positive and then die is going down, but hundreds of people are dying every day in this country -- 670 just yesterday -- and now well over 130,000 in total.

[Mott]

My 72 year old neighbor fell from his ladder, unconscious, to emergency, tested for Covid-19, was negative and is home recovering. Argue the numbers, certainly people with health issues die from Covid-19 and they well could have died from their diabetes, heart disease etc., but you know, just six months ago there was nobody was dying from Covid-19, zero.

[jdizzle]

Now we're back to deaths?

It's true that the percentage of people who test positive and then die is going down, but hundreds of people are dying every day in this country -- 670 just yesterday -- and now well over 130,000 in total.

Each death is a tragedy, I understand that. But the virus appears to be weakening. Again, I wear my mask, and rarely go out. I am not advocating for loosening any restrictions. Not one bit. Just seems disingenuous that those who go for a migraine get tested and are positive, count as a COVID-induced hospitalization. That is a twisting of statistics.

[Pete]

Each death is a tragedy, I understand that. But the virus appears to be weakening.

There is zero hard evidence of that.

Of course health care professionals are doing a better job of preventing deaths after having absolutely zero experience to now 3 months of dealing with this.


The bigger issue is what is the risk of "making the virus seem worse than it is" vs. being cautious and not assuming these numbers don't mean what they seem to mean?

[catch22]

Because if I go in for a hernia repair, but test positive for COVID, I get counted as a hospitalization by COVID, not the reason I went. It can make people think the virus is way worse than it seems to be, right now. Cases rise, but deaths are very, very minimally going up with them.

Maybe you didn't read my post, but in Colorado you would not be considered a hospitalized number because you went in for one thing and tested positive. They changed that because it was inflating the numbers. I don't know why you are dragging politics into this by calling that a liberal scheme. Again, this is why this needs to be a learning experience for the whole world, we can't have mismatched datasets the next time a worldwide pandemic sweeps the globe.

[mkjeeves]

Because if I go in for a hernia repair, but test positive for COVID, I get counted as a hospitalization by COVID, not the reason I went. It can make people think the virus is way worse than it seems to be, right now. Cases rise, but deaths are very, very minimally going up with them.

What I see lately is they test a couple of days in advance of those kinds of issues and if the test is positive, the hernia repair would have been canceled. If you then went into the hospital, it would 100% be for covid. Obviously there might be an issue where you went in with an emergency. I want to see some numbers about what the error rate in reported data is because it sounds like 99% smoke and attempts at obfuscation to me. My guess is it’s more like came in after a car wreck, which they would have treated and released in a day, three or week but person also had covid and needed to be hospitalized for the next month to eight weeks.

[jdizzle]

Maybe you didn't read my post, but in Colorado you would not be considered a hospitalized number because you went in for one thing and tested positive. They changed that because it was inflating the numbers. I don't know why you are dragging politics into this by calling that a liberal scheme. Again, this is why this needs to be a learning experience for the whole world, we can't have mismatched datasets the next time a worldwide pandemic sweeps the globe.

I meant liberal as in amount of volume of hospitalizations reported. Not politics, at all. And CO is doing is better than Oklahoma is, which isn't unusual.

[kukblue1]

I see so many different numbers. There is this https://www.okc.gov/residents/prepar...-and-pandemics COVID-19 in Oklahoma City:
2,498 cumulative patients (+316 from July 1)
63 deaths (no change since June 28)
1,781 patients have recovered (+84 from July 1)
I think yesterday it showed +233

Then there is this https://occhd2.maps.arcgis.com/apps/...db9678f4d33cc9 It only shows 51 confirmed cases for yesterday. So what is going on

[catch22]

I meant liberal as in amount of volume of hospitalizations reported. Not politics, at all. And CO is doing is better than Oklahoma is, which isn't unusual.

Gotcha

[mugofbeer]

I meant liberal as in amount of volume of hospitalizations reported. Not politics, at all. And CO is doing is better than Oklahoma is, which isn't unusual.

Only in the last couple of weeks. Before the recent bump in OK statistics, CO was consistently worse per capita going back to the start of the pandemic.

[kukblue1]

There is zero hard evidence of that.

Of course health care professionals are doing a better job of preventing deaths after having absolutely zero experience to now 3 months of dealing with this.


The bigger issue is what is the risk of "making the virus seem worse than it is" vs. being cautious and not assuming these numbers don't mean what they seem to mean?

Reason deaths are going down is we are doing a better job protecting our older population. It might seem weaker looking at numbers but if you really look at the numbers the deaths are really over the 65 and higher age group. We have to protect and keep protecting that age group. Only 16 deaths in 3 1/2 months under 50 in Oklahoma.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...-by-age-2020-6 And i would bet these numbers are a little off cause more younger people have it never got tested and therefore not counted in the numbers. But as you can see really affecting over 65 even over 50 if you will.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Surprising. Texas has a state wide mask mandate now. I still think we will have one if our hospitalizations get as bad as down south. Lets hope that does not happen

[kukblue1]

Surprising. Texas has a state wide mask mandate now. I still think we will have one if our hospitalizations get as bad as down south. Lets hope that does not happen

I don't see how they won't go up at least some. I mean we went from a avg number of cases around 150 a day to close to 400 a day. July 4th coming up it's going to get bad. I think it's time to get tougher. 2 week mask mandate and let people know hey if this don't work then a shut down will be coming.

[Bill Robertson]

We need to get over the idea that doing anything for two weeks will make a dent in this virus. To have a real effect preventive measures will have to be considered permanent until a vaccine is found.

[Pete]

I noticed today at Sam's that mask-wearing had already dropped down to about 50%.

[Pete]

Texas reported almost 8,000 new cases today and is now averaging an almost 14% positive test rate.

Their hospitalizations have doubled in a month.

The U.S. headed for another record day.

[C_M_25]

Couldn’t attach the pic.


However, there is a shot showing Herman Cain sitting next to stitt, Lankfort, and Jim inhofe. He was recently hospitalized in Atlanta with covid.

This was at the rally a couple of weeks ago.

[HangryHippo]

CM25, I can’t see or open your attachment.

[kukblue1]

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/statu...22084437848064 High case counts + hospitals going up = major problems unless we do something now. I hate to say it but Restaurants take out only. Bars, Churches, Casinos, Gyms need to be closed again. I know it will never happen on it's own but once hospitals are full they won't have a choice

[oklip955]

I don't agree with churches being closed, just regulated down to much small amount of people in their buildings. ie add more services, very limited social gatherings. ie weddings and funerals with small groups. Close bars and Casinos. Gyms with scheduled times for members and limited amount of people at a time.. Restaurants with take out or dine outside with wide spacing. Masks when not eating, servers must wear them. Also masks in public buildings and other public spaces (not parks with distancing). Stores must enforce mask usage and social distancing. If a customer will not comply then they will be asked to leave. This is not hard folks. I am doing it but getting very tired of constantly moving away from people who will not respect my space. I do very limited shopping but at times must go into stores. I bought another pair of outside garden boots at Tractor Supply. The sole was deformed. The employee did not look at them. I did the curb side pickup and did not think to look at them until I got home. I had to do aan exchange but was required to enter the store. REally, had the receipt and just wanted another pair. No i did not have to sign anything, just come in the store and drop and at the register and put up the new pair. Could have been done in the back of my truck.grrr

[Bill Robertson]

Now we're back to deaths?

It's true that the percentage of people who test positive and then die is going down, but hundreds of people are dying every day in this country -- 670 just yesterday -- and now well over 130,000 in total.

For public decision making I think it’s always been about hospitalizations and deaths. Even if we see over a thousand new cases per day and way high positive percentages of tests Oklahoma and its major metropolitan areas aren’t going to do anything to mitigate the spread of the virus. If the hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed, and right now they aren’t, and we do have deaths skyrocket, and right now they’re not, then what we have is as restrictive as it’s going to be. Not saying I agree but that is how it is. I would agree with a previous post that hospital bean counters like to see 85% ICU occupants and it’s lower than that even with the COVID patients. I want this stuff over with as much as anyone. I would like to see a rollback to Phase 2 or even 1 1/2. But that’s just not gonna happen if the hospitalization/death stats aren’t overwhelming and they’re not. Not to the decision makers that must have a level in mind that would trigger more restrictions. I still think the Oklahoma new case/hospitalization/death stats are around what the experts expected at this point. So to be like a broken record it’s up to each of us to take care of ourselves.

[kukblue1]

For public decision making I think it’s always been about hospitalizations and deaths. Even if we see over a thousand new cases per day and way high positive percentages of tests Oklahoma and its major metropolitan areas aren’t going to do anything to mitigate the spread of the virus. If the hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed, and right now they aren’t, and we do have deaths skyrocket, and right now they’re not, then what we have is as restrictive as it’s going to be. Not saying I agree but that is how it is. I would agree with a previous post that hospital bean counters like to see 85% ICU occupants and it’s lower than that even with the COVID patients. I want this stuff over with as much as anyone. I would like to see a rollback to Phase 2 or even 1 1/2. But that’s just not gonna happen if the hospitalization/death stats aren’t overwhelming and they’re not. Not to the decision makers that must have a level in mind that would trigger more restrictions. I still think the Oklahoma new case/hospitalization/death stats are around what the experts expected at this point. So to be like a broken record it’s up to each of us to take care of ourselves.

But why wait until hospital start to get full? Then what oh they are now full so we have to close everything? If we have over 500 cases a day wouldn't they keep getting full? Shouldn't we be taking more action now since they are at the same levels as April and not wait until they are full.