Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Jersey Boss]

Are you guys serious? This is very clearly a partisan issue now. Just look at the political party demographics. There's your answer.

Sorry, had to log in for this one ...

The GOP in DC is flailing around trying to overcome this stupidity.

[Bill Robertson]

Very disappointing, thought we had some leadership at the local level. We have none at any level now, it's all "personal responsibility" and "freedom", going to turn out just great....

It's stupid to say "masks are mandatory for restaurant and bar employees", and also say "but not for anybody else because we can't enforce it". How are they going to enforce restaurant and bar employees not wearing them, then?

The guy, sorry can’t remember his name, from the city/county health department said that they can enforce restaurant rules. He even encouraged people to call in violations.

[Jersey Boss]

Very disappointing, thought we had some leadership at the local level. We have none at any level now, it's all "personal responsibility" and "freedom", going to turn out just great....

It's stupid to say "masks are mandatory for restaurant and bar employees", and also say "but not for anybody else because we can't enforce it". How are they going to enforce restaurant and bar employees not wearing them, then?

How do they enforce "no shoes or shirt, no service"?

[Bill Robertson]

Holt also finished by saying the city will begin handing over responsibility for COVID rule making to the City Council in cooperation with the City/County Health Department. I wonder how that will go.

[Plutonic Panda]

I’m glad they aren’t mandating masks. It should be up to the individual. I’m here in Sedona and it’s the same thing and it is working. Most people seem to be wearing masks.

[Libbymin]

I don’t understand it either. If someone doesn’t wear a mask, you give them a fine. There, now you have your enforcement mechanism. Is there something else I’m not understanding?

I get that some people would still not comply and you’ll never get 100% mask users, but the same could be said for lots of other laws for which people can get a fine.

[kukblue1]

I love my face shield so much easier to wear. Grant it i don't have to wear it much just a few people in the office until 5 but i could see how it's useful if you going to be near people but not really within the 6 foot zone if you will.. Like a Dollar General that is empty in the morning , a small retail store with very few people. Even though it's up on in the air how well they work i think they have a place. just a thought.

[TheTravellers]

I don’t understand it either. If someone doesn’t wear a mask, you give them a fine. There, now you have your enforcement mechanism. Is there something else I’m not understanding?
....

Yep, not that hard, and it's not like we'd be the first municipality to enact a mandatory mask ordinance.

[jerrywall]

I don’t understand it either. If someone doesn’t wear a mask, you give them a fine. There, now you have your enforcement mechanism. Is there something else I’m not understanding?

I get that some people would still not comply and you’ll never get 100% mask users, but the same could be said for lots of other laws for which people can get a fine.

That's sort of the issue. We're right in the middle of a major awakening in this country where there's a lot of awareness and distrust in regards to the police and their interactions with the public. Do we really want to increase this with them going around trying to enforce mask wearing with fines? And when they don't pay the fines, are we going to lock them up? We really don't need to be creating more enforcement opportunities, especially when these activities tend to be applied unevenly against lower income and minority residents.

Fining a business for not requiring masks on the other hand is a little easier, although I can still see the opportunity for abuse.

[dankrutka]

^^^
Could you not create a protocol for enforcement? An officer should offer a mask to someone not wearing one in indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible. If someone is unwilling to leave or does not use the mask provided then they can get a $25 fine. No other action should be taken and de-escalation should be prioritized. I certainly agree that there are concerns with how Black citizens will be treated in such a situation.

I'll also say that just putting the mandate on the book—even without any meaningful enforcement—will likely result in more mask wearing, which is the goal. Crises always show what leaders are really about and it just feels like we're seeing through Holt right now.

[TheTravellers]

^^^
Could you not create a protocol for enforcement? An officer should offer a mask to someone not wearing one in indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible. If someone is unwilling to leave or does not use the mask provided then they can get a $25 fine. No other action should be taken and de-escalation should be prioritized. I certainly agree that there are concerns with how Black citizens will be treated in such a situation.

I'll also say that just putting the mandate on the book—even without any meaningful enforcement—will likely result in more mask wearing, which is the goal. Crises always show what leaders are really about and it just feels like we're seeing through Holt right now.

+2 (one for each paragraph).

Enforcing mask mandates for restaurants/bar employees is definitely easier as they're at that physical location during their shift, so easier to track down, as it were, rather than the PD getting notified that a customer isn't wearing a mask, and then getting there after they've left. Also, restaurant/bar employees not wearing masks should be prioritized over customers/citizens because they come in contact with so many people during their shift.

[jerrywall]

^^^
Could you not create a protocol for enforcement? An officer should offer a mask to someone not wearing one in indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible. If someone is unwilling to leave or does not use the mask provided then they can get a $25 fine. No other action should be taken and de-escalation should be prioritized. I certainly agree that there are concerns with how Black citizens will be treated in such a situation.

I'll also say that just putting the mandate on the book—even without any meaningful enforcement—will likely result in more mask wearing, which is the goal. Crises always show what leaders are really about and it just feels like we're seeing through Holt right now.

I agree that just putting the mandate out there would be a benefit. I'm pretty sure that's how most places are doing it (not enforcing in any real way). I was really just speaking up to the enforcement issue, because it's not as simple as just fining people.

One suggest I saw that makes the most sense to me is putting that enforcement on the businesses. Then folks are trespassing if they refuse to wear a mask or leave. And it's the businesses themselves that would get fined if they refused to enforce. That makes more sense to me as well as something more clearly within the powers of city government.

[chuck5815]

^^^
Could you not create a protocol for enforcement? An officer should offer a mask to someone not wearing one in indoor spaces where social distancing is not possible. If someone is unwilling to leave or does not use the mask provided then they can get a $25 fine. No other action should be taken and de-escalation should be prioritized. I certainly agree that there are concerns with how Black citizens will be treated in such a situation.

I'll also say that just putting the mandate on the book—even without any meaningful enforcement—will likely result in more mask wearing, which is the goal. Crises always show what leaders are really about and it just feels like we're seeing through Holt right now.

Nah. Holt has--very obviously--been an empty suit for awhile now. He just had a lot of people fooled because he's excellent at The Twitter and Instagram game.

[kukblue1]

I'm just not sure about the whole wear a mask thing for employees. The people eating and drinking at the bar won't be wearing one. So I'm just not sure how effect this can really be. Bars should be outdoor seating only or something to that effect. Restaurants seating has to be 6 feet apart.

[jerrywall]

I'm just not sure about the whole wear a mask thing for employees. The people eating and drinking at the bar won't be wearing one. So I'm just not sure how effect this can really be. Bars should be outdoor seating only or something to that effect. Restaurants seating has to be 6 feet apart.

Nothing needs to be 100% to be effective and beneficial.

If even 10% of the people wear a mask, that's better than 0%. 50% is even better. 100% would be great. But this isn't an airlock. A little leak doesn't invalidate the whole thing. Since the employees are going around and interacting with customers, and entering their "zone" then yeah, them wearing masks help. It would be BETTER if the customers did too, but it's less likely the employees will be passing around the germs to multiple people if they're wearing masks.

This is the same crazy thinking I see when people go "it's not worth OKC to have restrictions if other cities don't". Do folks think other cities are going to INCREASE their spread just to offset whatever measures OKC takes?

[Jersey Boss]

I'm just not sure about the whole wear a mask thing for employees. The people eating and drinking at the bar won't be wearing one. So I'm just not sure how effect this can really be. Bars should be outdoor seating only or something to that effect. Restaurants seating has to be 6 feet apart.

The mask is not meant to protect the wearer as much as it is to protect others. It protects the patrons, not the employee.

[d-usa]

How this country survived rationing and restriction in WW2 is beyond me...

[RustytheBailiff]

How this country survived rationing and restriction in WW2 is beyond me...

Once upon a time, people had respect for one another................

STAY SAFE WEAR A MASK

[Bill Robertson]

Once upon a time, people had respect for one another................

STAY SAFE WEAR A MASK

True. What we are seeing from many right now is just how prevalent the lack of caring about others and the “I can do whatever I want and to hell with you” philosophy is. I’m 99.9% sure that’s not what our founding fathers had in mind when they created a free country. This attitude is scarier than the virus is.

[Pete]

I've deleted a bunch of posts.

NO POLITICS!!!

Bans are coming if this persists.

[SoonerDave]

We have known for quite some time that individuals take multiple tests. My coworker trated positivein mid-March, had horrific symptoms despite no underlying conditions, and then proceeded to spend hu of dollars on tests, to ensure she was clear. She personally took five tests, so it us obvious that people will take multiple trats. Maybe this explains the discrepancy in your numbrts woth actual health professionals who do this for a living.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There has never been a question that some people have taken multiple tests. It was not until I studied the EORs in more depth that I realized the new daily numbers are, in fact, new and *distinct* cases. I have to go by summary data, not individual data points.

[Pete]

48,000 new cases in the U.S. today, yet another daily record.

Fauci said yesterday that we could reach 100K cases a day in the near future.

Also eclipsed 130,000 American deaths.

[Canoe]

48,000 new cases in the U.S. today, yet another daily record.

Fauci said yesterday that we could reach 100K cases a day in the near future.

Also eclipsed 130,000 American deaths.

If people want more graphs I found this site has good countrywide information.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

This is just sad.

[rezman]

How this country survived rationing and restriction in WW2 is beyond me...

Thank you!. This has been on my mind for quite a while now. Back then this country had the resolve to get the job done. Everyone pitching in and doing their part. We no longer have that resolve. The farther we get away from the Depression and WWII generation, the more we are losing the values that got them through it.

[oklip955]

Rezman you are spot on.