Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

Today's increases:

Positives: 438
Hospitalized: 17
Deaths: 3

[soonerguru]

A large chunk of the BLM protests are about access to education and jobs. Lockdowns literally massively disrupt both.

It maybe sit at home and wait it out for some, for others it’s stuck in a broken elevator and so to fix it we set the building on fire.

Nice attempt to change the subject: we are talking about mask usage, distancing, and coherent government communications, to AVOID further shutdowns.

Also, Sweden’s economy tanked just as badly, they just let a lot more people die unnecessarily to prove some arrogant bureaucrat’s theory, which even he now admits was a failure.

[chuck5815]

Nice attempt to change the subject: we are talking about mask usage, distancing, and coherent government communications, to AVOID further shutdowns.

Also, Sweden’s economy tanked just as badly, they just let a lot more people die unnecessarily to prove some arrogant bureaucrat’s theory, which even he now admits was a failure.

"Everything is connected."

--Ashton Kutcher (2004)

[jerrywall]

Preface this by saying this is NOT some defense of OKC or trying to imply anything positive about OKC on it.

This breakdown of new cases by the top 3 counties is telling.

Tulsa - 2949 (+207)
Oklahoma - 2410 (+93)
Cleveland - 763 (+28)

What's going on in Tulsa? Is this because they've had several manufacturing facilities get hit? Or is it Victory Church?

[RustytheBailiff]

"Everything is connected."

--Ashton Kutcher (2004)

"The Problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence"

--Charles Bukowski

[jdizzle]

Preface this by saying this is NOT some defense of OKC or trying to imply anything positive about OKC on it.

This breakdown of new cases by the top 3 counties is telling.

Tulsa - 2949 (+207)
Oklahoma - 2410 (+93)
Cleveland - 763 (+28)

What's going on in Tulsa? Is this because they've had several manufacturing facilities get hit? Or is it Victory Church?

Not sure churches matter - OKC has about 8 branches of Life Church.

[chuck5815]

"The Problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence"

--Charles Bukowski

"Yawn . . ."

--Charles Bukowski

[dankrutka]

Yep. Sucks. But it’s picking between a rock and a hard place.

The cost of lockdowns: mental health, domestic violence, increased drug abuse, and the economic toll they take > the death of people who are already over the average age.

Here's what everyone making this argument is missing: IF COVID CASES ARE HIGH THE ECONOMY WILL STAY LOW! "Re-Opening" is going to fail if COVID cases stay high because people will change their behavior. For example, I don't go to businesses or restaurants because cases are high and there is no mask requirement. WE NEED TO REQUIRE MASKS. Period. If you want economic growth then people need to feel safe. But since we haven't done this since the beginning the only way to gain control again may be another shut down. This could have been avoided if not for failed leadership.

[Pete]

And why are we even talking about lockdowns?

I haven't seen a single person advocating for this. It's just a red herring.

[soonerguru]

93 new cases in OKC is still almost twice what we experienced during our peak in April, so still not good. Anecdotally, my colleagues in Tulsa, as well as my wife, who has had to travel there twice in the last three weeks, have said that probably less than 10% of Tulsans are wearing masks. Owasso just had a large indoor graduation event that looked like the Trump rally in terms of mask usage and distancing. It doesn’t send the right message either when the city’s mayor “welcomes” a likely superspreader event to his city. If that’s OK to attend without a mask, why should I worry about QuikTrip or the gym?

[soonerguru]

Not sure churches matter - OKC has about 8 branches of Life Church.

In-person church services were cited by the health department this week as one of the 7 culprits that have led to the current explosion in cases.

[oklip955]

I'm not sure how effective social distancing at churches is. I am saying like every other pew closed and family groups siting 6' apart, with people seated as they come in. Doesn't matter the denomination, anyone have any in put on this. It is something I am very concerned about, since I am a church attender. Wondering how air movement in a large open building is related to spreading since people are seated for an hour or more vs a trip to the grocery store or hardware store for say 15 to 30 min. Any input for anyone on this.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I'm not sure how effective social distancing at churches is. I am saying like every other pew closed and family groups siting 6' apart, with people seated as they come in. Doesn't matter the denomination, anyone have any in put on this. It is something I am very concerned about, since I am a church attender. Wondering how air movement in a large open building is related to spreading since people are seated for an hour or more vs a trip to the grocery store or hardware store for say 15 to 30 min. Any input for anyone on this.

There was a early spread case in the EU where they determined the spread was from prolonged singing inside a church. I am guessing that is the main issue. Unless everyone wears a mask inside church then I don't see social distance really working while there is singing.

My wife and I haven't been back to our church since it opened. We still do online.

[kukblue1]

I read a story today in the WSJ saying the main way this transmits is from person to person contact. We could almost forget the mask if people would just stay 6 feet apart. Are restaurants and bars even blocking off sections? Walmart and stores still letting so many people in? This is what we need to get back too. I know the Braums I work at is not. People that still work there tell me it's a lobby fully of people at lunch. If you want to go out to eat with a friend stay 6 feet apart if it's not crowed sit at a table next to you. Don't sit at the next bar stool leave one inbetween. You can still carry on a conversation. We need to get back to keeping our distance cause people are just not going to wear a mask. For one it's too hot. Then you have the people that don't think it works. Then your have the political people. We just need to be social distancing better. Back to only so many in a store. Back to maybe even carry out only. Maybe set up tents and have a few tables outside for people to eat in. SOCIAL DISTANCING IS THE KEY

[oklip955]

Also since the mayor of OkC was talking about possible reopening roll backs, and I am thinking if that happens, other metro area cities would follow suit on this. Any in put to what or how the roll backs would look like. I would think it would be in person church services, nail, beauty and barber shops, gyms, large gatherings and in restaurant dinning and bars. Hopefully it won't come to that but..... We are going to have to make some changes some where, whether in individual behaviors such as social distancing in stores etc and or mask wearing or face continuing climbing numbers. I don't want numbers to go up and I don't want a roll back but something is going to have to give.

[Pete]

41% of businesses listed on Yelp have closed for good during the coronavirus pandemic

As of June 15, 140,000 businesses listed on the Yelp review site remained closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Considering that businesses with less than 100 employees account for fully 40% of all jobs in this country, I can't overstate how bad this whole thing is going to be for the small places and then for the country overall.

Hundreds of thousands of businesses will close, especially after the PPP loan money runs out in a few months.

Anyone who doesn't see a massive economic crisis coming down the road is kidding themselves. And I've been saying this from the beginning.

[soonerguru]

41% of businesses listed on Yelp have closed for good during the coronavirus pandemic



Considering that businesses with less than 100 employees account for fully 40% of all jobs in this country, I can't overstate how bad this whole thing is going to be for the small places and then for the country overall.

Hundreds of thousands of businesses will close, especially after the PPP loan money runs out in a few months.

Anyone who doesn't see a massive economic crisis coming down the road is kidding themselves. And I've been saying this from the beginning.

And yet, most refuse the minor discomfort and inconvenience of wearing their masks to Wal-Mart, which if doing so, would make it more likely our businesses and economy recover quicker.

[dankrutka]

I read a story today in the WSJ saying the main way this transmits is from person to person contact. We could almost forget the mask if people would just stay 6 feet apart. Are restaurants and bars even blocking off sections? Walmart and stores still letting so many people in? This is what we need to get back too. I know the Braums I work at is not. People that still work there tell me it's a lobby fully of people at lunch. If you want to go out to eat with a friend stay 6 feet apart if it's not crowed sit at a table next to you. Don't sit at the next bar stool leave one inbetween. You can still carry on a conversation. We need to get back to keeping our distance cause people are just not going to wear a mask. For one it's too hot. Then you have the people that don't think it works. Then your have the political people. We just need to be social distancing better. Back to only so many in a store. Back to maybe even carry out only. Maybe set up tents and have a few tables outside for people to eat in. SOCIAL DISTANCING IS THE KEY

Physical distancing AND face masks are key. There's not a magic force field when people are 6 feet apart. It is not full proof to sit 6 feet from someone and talk for an hour indoors. If you sit at a bar without a mask—even if the closest person is two bar stools away—then you are at risk to contract COVID-19. I won't be in an indoor space with a lot of people any time soon because I want to do my part to reduce spread.

[Ed Shadid]

University of Oklahoma to require masks inside university buildings and vehicles on all campuses, effective immediately. Damn Liberals
Bravo to President Harroz.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I believe OSU has already done the same for the fall semester.

[Ed Shadid]

Can you attest to the quality of KN95 masks?

I wear KN95 masks when I can obtain them. KN95 masks are the Chinese version of N95 masks. Assuming the vendor is not suspect (and some are; some U.S. distributors of KN95 masks tout independent testing) then they should be equally effective and will remove about 95% of particles in the air assuming they are worn correctly. The main difference is the way they are secured to the head. KN95 masks generally all utilize earloops (which hurt the back of my ears when I wear them all day) while N95 masks by 3M can have some amazingly comfortable masks with double strands to distribute forces across the head and padding across the area where the mask interfaces with the top of the nose. I think the better fit makes the N95 masks superior in terms of effectiveness but our clinic has been unable to obtain any since the beginning of the pandemic. To compensate for this, I place transparent tape in a horizontal fashion across the top and bottom of the KN95 masks. Securing the mask with tape also allows me to give the back of my ears a break by removing the earloops from time to time.

[jerrywall]

^^ I'm sure I could have made it for cheaper, but I picked up a pack of mask hook straps from Amazon and they really help with my ears, which always felt like they were getting pulled forward. Much more comfortable with the strap.

Edited to add: Like these - https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Slip-Com...dp/B087DVL9F8/

I saw someone who made these themselves using two buttons and a piece of cloth.

[jdizzle]

Are # of people on ventilators going up, or is that not something we get reported to us? That is one of the biggest things, to me.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Are # of people on ventilators going up, or is that not something we get reported to us? That is one of the biggest things, to me.

That is also in the nightly EO reports on the coronavirus site (https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/ex...-order-reports)

74% available as of last night.

[soonerguru]

I wear KN95 masks when I can obtain them. KN95 masks are the Chinese version of N95 masks. Assuming the vendor is not suspect (and some are; some U.S. distributors of KN95 masks tout independent testing) then they should be equally effective and will remove about 95% of particles in the air assuming they are worn correctly. The main difference is the way they are secured to the head. KN95 masks generally all utilize earloops (which hurt the back of my ears when I wear them all day) while N95 masks by 3M can have some amazingly comfortable masks with double strands to distribute forces across the head and padding across the area where the mask interfaces with the top of the nose. I think the better fit makes the N95 masks superior in terms of effectiveness but our clinic has been unable to obtain any since the beginning of the pandemic. To compensate for this, I place transparent tape in a horizontal fashion across the top and bottom of the KN95 masks. Securing the mask with tape also allows me to give the back of my ears a break by removing the earloops from time to time.

Thanks for the thorough reply, Ed. My employer sent us a handful of KN95 masks for essential meetings, although I have yet to conduct any in person. I would expect they did their research to discover the non-shady variety of KN95 masks, but I would have no way to know for sure. They do fit snugly to my face and have the nose wire to adjust for a tight fit across the bridge of the nose.