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Thread: Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

  1. #3376

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    If you haven't seen it yet, Dr. Dale Bratzler of OU Medicine made an informative FB post with the following graphs on 6-21:

    Because we have plenty of hospital beds and ICU beds available, have lots of oncologists and cancer surgeons in Oklahoma, and plenty of chemotherapy agents available, we are going to suspend all cancer screening in Oklahoma. We will take care of patients in our hospital beds when they get cancer and will suspend cancer screening until we reach our hospital capacity to take care of cancer patients……..
    ………..well, that would be unethical and an absurd argument for not doing cancer screening.

    Yet, that seems to be the most common rationale discussed in Oklahoma right now about why we don’t need to double down on known measures that will prevent the transmission of the COVID-19 virus. In numerous press interviews this past week, it was noted that “the state is ready to continue reopening because of the expansion of testing and a low rate of COVID-19 patients in the hospital.” Prior to the rally, I also heard the Governor note that since the majority of new cases being reported in Oklahoma are younger people, and that the mortality in that age group is low, it is safe to continue reopening. (Tell that to the 5 Oklahomans between the ages of 15 and 34 who have died in the state from COVID-19 so far). We have hospital beds available, so we do not have to worry about the new peak in confirmed cases??? Seems like another unethical rationale.

    Last week I went out on a limb and predicted that hospitalizations for COVID-19 would increase in Oklahoma. I was right and expect that the hospitalizations will continue to rise this week. As you can see in the attached graphics, there were only 69 people with confirmed COVID-19 in the hospital on June 1. As of last Friday, June 19, there were 135 people with confirmed disease in the hospital – 76 of whom were in an ICU bed. I have no doubt that those patients would have preferred that we prevented the infection in the first place. As I showed last week, the peak in new cases is not due to more testing. The percentage of specimens tested last week that were positive went up to 6.0% (from a low of 1.8% the week of May 25), and was 6.7% last Friday [cudos to the OSDH that have now added a new graphic to their weekly epidemiology and surveillance reports that show the daily percent positive – this is a much better metric than state officials keep quoting (the cumulative percent positive)].

    We are seeing exponential growth of new cases in Oklahoma. I have personally heard of confirmed cases that have been linked to funerals, weddings, events, gyms, church, etc. Again, “reopening” did NOT mean “back to normal.” Those reopening plans included recommendations to continue physical distancing and wearing masks. Yet people are not taking personal responsibility to do those things – hence the spread of the virus continues.

    Will we have to go back to stay at home (safer at home) orders and start shutting down businesses again? Can we get everyone to take personal responsibility to do the things that we know to be highly effective at preventing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 (wearing a mask, physical distancing, and hand hygiene). Are we willing to allow our leadership to impose orders for interventions such as mandatory mask policies in public settings when people are unwilling to take personal responsibility?? (And no, it is not a violation of your civil rights during a pandemic – there are a lot of legal discussions of this readily available.) Are we willing to make the sacrifices to stop the spread of this disease which continues to hospitalize Oklahomans and will most certainly result in more deaths??

    I want to give a shout out to Senator James Lankford and his wife for bucking the trend at the rally last night and responsibly wearing masks! We need more leaders that will model the behaviors we want everyone to do to stop the spread of this virus!
    I think it's OK to share, so I've embedded the graphs he posted below as well:

    Hospitalizations, clearly, are going down and nothing to worry about:


    The repeated record case counts are simply because we are testing so much, and the virus is totally under control in OK:


    Average tests per week reveal a different look at the trend. OK is open for business!


    Imagine that.

  2. #3377

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    Quote Originally Posted by pw405 View Post
    Hospitalizations, clearly, are going down and nothing to worry about:
    sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.

  3. #3378

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.
    I think he was being sarcastic, but hard to translate on message boards.

  4. #3379

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin View Post
    sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.
    Haha.. sorry, yes 100% sarcastic!!

    I work in a large office that called everybody back a month ago when we can easily, 100% work from home. It makes me wonder what conclusions they reach when the shot callers in the C-suite decide that no flexibility with working from home is now the best course of action after we did it for 9+ weeks - only to receive multiple instances of praise for "how good we were doing", and "how much we continue to get done despite the challenges!"

  5. #3380

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    197 in the Hospital Friday 265 today. Not good.

  6. #3381

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    Quote Originally Posted by pw405 View Post
    Haha.. sorry, yes 100% sarcastic!!
    lol... it seemed so obvious that I was actually wondering if my sarcasm meter was broken. unfortunately, given what people post on the internet these days, it's getting hard to tell!

  7. #3382

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    Quote Originally Posted by oklip955 View Post
    I think people are getting stupider and less kind. I had to go to Sams club this afternoon. I would have liked to go in the morning but cannot. I wake up at night with knee and hip pain and don't get back to sleep for a while, so when I wake up its mid morning. Also tried the order on line and did not get if figured out. Ok so I went to the Sam's club after lunch tiem thinking it would be less people. Well I was going down the narrowest isle (maginize clothing bottle neck. I move slow due to my knee. two younger women without masks said you have to move out of the way. I told them no social distance and I cannot move. They together took their shopping cart ramed mine and litterally pushed me and the cart down the isle with their cart. I cannot move quick. I could not get out of their way. If I would have fallen they would have pushed their bery full cart over me and walked on top of me. I told the store manager and it was like well we try but we cannot do anything. This is beyond social distancing, its assult on an older lady..
    I may have said this before, but I highly recommend Costco over Sam’s for a variety of reasons, starting with Costco’s mask policy.

  8. #3383

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    I may have to drive all the way over there. I live east of I 35 in Edmond and had planned on making a quick trip to pick up some seven granules and printer ink. Well they stopped carrying the ink. ugh and don't think Costco has the granules. I should have gone to Ace. I maybe be going to Costco for basics like meat, cleaning and paper products. I was hoping to just get in and get out with few people in the store. This reaction from the women was over the top. Older people cannot move so fast.

  9. #3384

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Robertson View Post
    I know many people would ignore a mask mandate. But even if a percentage of people and businesses adhered to it the situation should improve.
    A mask mandate is primarily about increasing mask use. Everyone isn't going to where a mask all the time and the purpose of the policy isn't to arrest people or ticket them. Pretty much the only way you should be punished for non-mask use is if you're explicitly putting people in harm, violating policy in a business, or being a nuisance. I just traveled between California and Texas and people aren't all wearing them where it's required in New Mexico and California than it was in Arizona and Texas (no mask mandates). The entire country should have a mask wearing policy. If we the current administration hadn't politicized I suspect there would be almost unanimous support. It's an effective and easy policy that saves lives and helps the economy.

  10. #3385

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankrutka View Post
    A mask mandate is primarily about increasing mask use. Everyone isn't going to where a mask all the time and the purpose of the policy isn't to arrest people or ticket them. Pretty much the only way you should be punished for non-mask use is if you're explicitly putting people in harm, violating policy in a business, or being a nuisance. I just traveled between California and Texas and people aren't all wearing them where it's required in New Mexico and California than it was in Arizona and Texas (no mask mandates). The entire country should have a mask wearing policy. If we the current administration hadn't politicized I suspect there would be almost unanimous support. It's an effective and easy policy that saves lives and helps the economy.
    I watched an interview with a Trumper on MSNBC Friday. They asked him point blank if he was going to wear a mask, and his answer was interesting: he said he would wear a mask if it was a “rule.” He went on to say he wears masks everywhere “it is a rule.” But he said he would not wear one if it wasn’t required. I found that very revealing about the moment we are in. I would guess 85% would comply if it were a rule, which would be a far sight better than where we are now, in the “personal responsibility” realm.

  11. #3386

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    I can't understand why so many people need a rule or an example to do the right thing. This is how we get bad laws like seatbelt laws.

  12. #3387

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    it truly is a confusing time. This is a summarized conversation with my Parents (who taught me to never listen to what "they" are telling you, and to always get information for yourself, when i was a child)

    Them: well show me the numbers!
    Me: okay, here they are
    Them: well the real numbers, where did you get these.
    Me; well the same place that the President does.
    Them: well i don't believe those numbers
    Me: well that is an executive branch office, so under the President
    Them: well i don't believe them. they are lying.
    Me; well what numbers do you want me to find
    Them: the same numbers the President uses
    Me: well i did. that is an executive Branch office, so under the President.
    i mean, i'm just at a complete loss. These are educated people, who when i was a child would have made a comment about i deserve to be slapped on the side of my head for ignoring information and just listening to what i'm told... they also don't wear masks... i'm curious if they would if it were a rule though... if i talk to them again before the election in November, i will report back if they would fall into that 85% that soonerguru things might.

  13. #3388

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    it truly is a confusing time. This is a summarized conversation with my Parents (who taught me to never listen to what "they" are telling you, and to always get information for yourself, when i was a child)



    i mean, i'm just at a complete loss. These are educated people, who when i was a child would have made a comment about i deserve to be slapped on the side of my head for ignoring information and just listening to what i'm told... they also don't wear masks... i'm curious if they would if it were a rule though... if i talk to them again before the election in November, i will report back if they would fall into that 85% that soonerguru things might.
    The older I get, the more I realize that a lot of people will believe what they WANT to believe. And that goes for educated people as well as people who are close to us.

  14. #3389

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    Pete, I read elsewhere that hospitalizations jumped to 265. Can you confirm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soonerguru View Post
    Pete, I read elsewhere that hospitalizations jumped to 265. Can you confirm?
    You can read it nightly in the EO Report on the coronavirus site https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/si..._-_6-22-20.pdf

  16. #3391

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    Quote Originally Posted by FighttheGoodFight View Post
    You can read it nightly in the EO Report on the coronavirus site https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/si..._-_6-22-20.pdf
    So, yes, 265 when you include “cases under investigation.” Pretty big jump.

  17. #3392

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    Tuesday:

    295 new cases
    20 new hospitalizations
    2 additional deaths

  18. #3393

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    Here is a week over week comparison of new cases, current week first, last week second:

    Tuesday: 295 vs. 228
    Monday: 218 Vs. 186
    Sunday: 478 vs. 158
    Saturday: 331 vs. 225
    Friday: 352 vs. 222
    Thursday: 450 vs. 146
    Wed: 259 vs. 117

    Total: 2,383 vs. 1,282

    So, almost double last week, which had been the highest week since this began.

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    Am I reading it correctly that we have used 73% of our adult ICU beds and only have 27% available?

    https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/ex...-order-reports

  21. #3396

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    And the argument "we are just testing more" is false. We are also getting a higher percentage of positive results:


  22. #3397

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    Basically the major just said starting wearing a mask or we are going to have to roll back openings. That's what i got out of that. If numbers keeps going up this week shut downs might be coming again?

  23. #3398

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    Not doing a mask requirement is dumb.

  24. #3399

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    The numbers this week would reflex people already exposed and then sick for a day or two plus time to process the test. Too late to change the numbers for this week I would think. Next week numbers will be telling.

  25. #3400

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    Quote Originally Posted by kukblue1 View Post
    Basically the major just said starting wearing a mask or we are going to have to roll back openings. That's what i got out of that. If numbers keeps going up this week shut downs might be coming again?
    There are steps to take before shutting things down again, such as required social distancing at restaurants and other places where people gather; limiting crowds to no more than 50, etc.

    Basically, we would go back one step rather than al the way to shutdown.

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