Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[jerrywall]

Exactly! Flattening the curve was to not overwhelm the hospitals. If you think you can shut down the country and the world for that matter, for long enough so that this goes away, you're in a fantasy world. By the time you open back up, there won't be a 21st century civilization left. Unfortunately, C19 is something we just have to deal with until it runs it's course.

This is true, but we can still make smarter choices until then, like not packing 20-60k people into an event center.

[Libbymin]

While it's good that we prevented our hospitals from being overwhelmed, we also did the shutdown as a way of buying ourselves some time and coming up with a plan since cases will go up to some degree when we reopen. We can try to achieve some sense of normalcy as long as people are taking appropriate precautions but a lot of people are not wearing masks like they should and then all of the work we did to flatten the curve was for nothing and we'll be right back in the same position that we were before.

I'm not trying to be a doom and gloomer and hopefully we can keep the numbers at a manageable level but I'm not exactly encouraged by the fact that we're seeing higher numbers than we've seen before with this thing.

[kukblue1]

He is a thought to stop the virus. WEAR A MASK. It has worked in other countries. Really not that hard to do. Stay home order take out and support business that way. Do car side pickup. Things can remain open we just need to be smarter how we are going about our day.

[soonerguru]

It should come as common sense that unless there's a vaccine, Covid-19 is here to stay. The only way to have stopped it would have been in Wuhan. Once it got out, it was over with. The only other way to stop it would be to lock everyone in the world up in their houses and let it take it's toll there. Thankfully that's not going to happen. This thing is global. It will continue to spread until it attacks everyone who it can, and then it will slowly dissipate.

There are numerous peer-reviewed articles that make it clear that with social distancing and mask usage, transmissions can be reduced to almost nil. Please consider this. We don't have to "shut down and hide" or any other such thing.

However, if people continue flouting basic social distancing, we are going to face the possibility of other shutdowns in the future.

Just do your part.

[Jersey Boss]

Exactly! Flattening the curve was to not overwhelm the hospitals. If you think you can shut down the country and the world for that matter, for long enough so that this goes away, you're in a fantasy world. By the time you open back up, there won't be a 21st century civilization left. Unfortunately, C19 is something we just have to deal with until it runs it's course.

Unfortunately the "What, me worry?" attitude in this country is a losing proposition. Looking at the downward trend in Italy compared to here is telling. The inability to get a unified message on how to proceed is huge.
Compare the USA to the EU and the future is not good. But hey you make your own conclusion.

[soonerguru]

Are we forgetting the point of the flatten the curve and the shutdown? The purpose was to not overwhelm the hospitals back in March/April by slowing the spread. The same amount of people projected to get the virus was the same with the flattened curve and the bell curve.

Of course there is going to be a rise in cases. This is model was based on the CDC back in March. The curve rises as it goes to be right after the shutdown Was over and the hospitals were supposed to be not overwhelmed. The hospitals are still not overwhelmed.

I am sure I will get flamed in here that I want everyone to die. We are moving the goal posts from the purpose of flattening the curve.

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/we...w-can-you-help

Not moving any goalposts. The shutdown *or whatever version of it we did here in Oklahoma * prevented a massive overtaxing of not just our hospitals, but also PPE for our medical providers. It worked.

Again, not moving goalposts, but the characteristic of this virus when it is quickly spreading is that it starts to spread exponentially, and that is where you can get in trouble with medical resources.

And to correct your point, there were two goalposts outlined, and I'm fairly sure our own governor used both: One was "bend the curve," and the other was "flatten the curve." We chose to reopen the state at the peak, and then we saw a modest decrease in new cases for about a month.

We certainly did not "bend the curve," as other states and countries did. And now, our cases are not just growing, they are spiking.

It's too soon to conclude this will not impact hospitalizations and deaths.

Please stop misrepresenting what people are saying. Literally no one in the last two or three weeks has advocated shutting down. Why even say that? It is like gaslighting.

People are concerned that so many people are flouting the basic social distancing and mask wearing requests. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN DO THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN IF WE TAKE BASIC SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AND FOLLOW SIMPLE GUIDELINES? Sorry to yell but it is ****ing insane.

[Bunty]

This is true, but we can still make smarter choices until then, like not packing 20-60k people into an event center.

But Laura Ingraham will tell you that Trump should have no health concerns about the virus, because they are bunk: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/laura...612vIj6NeFHbJE

[SomeGuy]

I went into Penn square the other day and almost 70 percent I'd say were not wearing masks and/or were not distancing. It's as if some people think "well everything is open again, so no more masks and everything's back to normal!".

[Anonymous.]

There has been multiple times in the last few weeks out in public when I forgot a pandemic is even happening. Because all of the reminders are missing. Most everyone is back to work in the office, service industry is relatively open, social distancing is practiced very poorly, patrons and staff are not wearing masks.

If OKC was simply required to wear a mask, it would at least provide as a reminder which in turn maybe help deter other poor practices and maybe even keep some people home.

[kukblue1]

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/poli...nrq-story.html Over half the workers sick since mid March. This virus is strange. Amazing how you never heard of fast food workers getting sick. Or any kind of outbreak at a supermarket. SMH Could this be why some people just don't care. I'm sure there be many food service workers that have it if they got tested. I think people don't take it seriously cause they don't know anyone that has been sick which probably isn't the case. They been sick they just don't know they been sick.

[PhiAlpha]

Holt was questioned on that by someone who had literally checked their family member into an OKC hospital the day before. Also some people questioned why he only included OK County in his discussion when previously he included Canadian and Cleveland.

Regardless, at least he is addressing the topic, and genuinely seems tp care about our health, unlike that phony Bynum.

Bynum has addressed it multiple times and has been accused by both sides of playing to the otherside (being way too strict or way too easy on the lock down). He's pretty much played the middle up until now, and now he's being lambasted by everyone who had previously been raving about how great of job he'd been doing compared to other state leaders (and conveniently over a Trump rally).

I don't really understand how Bynum is a phony. He's been a very good mayor for Tulsa by about every measure, especially when it comes to promoting Tulsa, Tulsa, history bringing more attention to the race massacres/riots and trying to build bridges in the community and state. He is literally in an impossible position right now.

[dankrutka]

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavi...again/2389265/

So much for the "let's all just get out there and get COVID so we can all get this over with" argument.

I'd be careful about drawing sweeping conclusions from this story. There's decent evidence that COVID-19 produces anti-bodies and even doctors in the story express different hypotheses for this case.

[emtefury]

Not moving any goalposts. The shutdown *or whatever version of it we did here in Oklahoma * prevented a massive overtaxing of not just our hospitals, but also PPE for our medical providers. It worked.

Again, not moving goalposts, but the characteristic of this virus when it is quickly spreading is that it starts to spread exponentially, and that is where you can get in trouble with medical resources.

And to correct your point, there were two goalposts outlined, and I'm fairly sure our own governor used both: One was "bend the curve," and the other was "flatten the curve." We chose to reopen the state at the peak, and then we saw a modest decrease in new cases for about a month.

We certainly did not "bend the curve," as other states and countries did. And now, our cases are not just growing, they are spiking.

It's too soon to conclude this will not impact hospitalizations and deaths.

Please stop misrepresenting what people are saying. Literally no one in the last two or three weeks has advocated shutting down. Why even say that? It is like gaslighting.

People are concerned that so many people are flouting the basic social distancing and mask wearing requests. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN DO THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN IF WE TAKE BASIC SAFETY PRECAUTIONS AND FOLLOW SIMPLE GUIDELINES? Sorry to yell but it is ****ing insane.

Where in my statement did I say people on here are calling for a shutdown again. No where.

I was commenting on the statements of the rise in casesu.. I was noting the models showed a few months ago the cases would rise after the shutdown. After the shutdown when moving to the right of he model, the cases rise under the flattened curve.

This should not be a surprise to anyone that the cases are rising.


The moving of goalposts is now being surprised the cases are rising when we know this three months ago.

[Pete]

This should not be a surprise to anyone that the cases are rising.

It is absolutely a surprise that we've set new record highs for 4 of the last 6 days.

And not something that should just be brushed off as completely expected.

[jn1780]

I'd be careful about drawing sweeping conclusions from this story. There's decent evidence that COVID-19 produces anti-bodies and even doctors in the story express different hypotheses for this case.

Agreed. Covid has been around long enough that we would see a lot more cases of this happening. South Korea has done a lot of study on this and seemed convinced that this is existing viral shed.

[Jersey Boss]

The number I look at is hospitalizations. That number cannot be explained away with the more testing rationale. That number is up 5% to 181.

[floyd the barber]

Things aren't looking much better it seems.

Honestly I don't bother looking at case numbers. I look at the death count. Any day without a death is a good day and unfortunately those days are an outlier.

[Bill Robertson]

The number I look at is hospitalizations. That number cannot be explained away with the more testing rationale. That number is up 5% to 181.

The more testing rational is gone. Not just here but in many states that have reopened.

[Bill Robertson]

Things aren't looking much better it seems.

Honestly I don't bother looking at case numbers. I look at the death count. Any day without a death is a good day and unfortunately those days are an outlier.

Let’s hold on to the positives we have while we have them. Three out of the last 7 or 8 days have had zero deaths.

[mkjeeves]

Thanks to whomever recommended Weldon Jack for a haircut. They told me when I called ahead, regardless of the state dropping the requirement that barbers wear masks, they planned to do that through the end of the year. They seem to be going above and beyond on Covid safety and I got a great haircut.

Although I was the only person I saw who entered the building wearing a mask. A couple of other people came and went, checking out at the register while I was there without much social distance to other people and not wearing masks. The barber did ask a person who was early and checking in for a hair cut to wait in their car.

I called Capitol City Barber Shop first and asked if they were requiring everyone to wear a mask and barbers wearing them also. They said, no, we are in phase three. That was before I talked to Weldon Jack, made an appointment and went. Phase 3 does not require masks. It does require people to wait outside and the shop to do other things. Link below. I'm unclear if they are wearing masks at all in Capitol City.

When I checked in on my former shop before asking here, I found two barbers, one person in the chair and two people waiting. No one had masks on but me. That's 5 people, no masks. Not that large of a shop. They told me whomever cut my hair would wear a mask on request.

Then I stopped by another shop on the way home I had not been in before. I could see the lone barber through the window and she had a mask on. One in the chair, facing the other direction. I stuck my masked face in and asked if I could make an appointment. She gave me a time.

I returned 10 minutes before. Parked outside the front door where we could see each other. There was one in the chair, a man and a woman with a child sitting in the waiting room. No masks on anyone but the barber. I thought oh, well, it's a family. She will wrap up, they will all leave and it will be just me and her.

Ten minutes later, a teenager walked out from somewhere inside and stood by the adults. That's 5 people, one barber. Then a van pulled up. A woman got out with three kids, and went inside. She stopped at the door and I guessed the conversation was wait over there and I'll cut yours after my next appointment. They went inside and sat down. That made 9 without masks and one masked barber.

Then a man came out of the back room and went to the register, no mask. I started my car and left.

I'll be back to Weldon Jack if I survive Oklahoma City until my next cut.

https://www.ok.gov/cosmo/documents/S...%2C%202020.pdf

[Bill Robertson]

It is absolutely a surprise that we've set new record highs for 4 of the last 6 days.

And not something that should just be brushed off as completely expected.

I’m now sure I would say it’s surprising. The virus was starting to explode when we “shut down”. Then we reopened while still having pretty high daily new cases. With so many contagious people out there and now very little precautions being taken because most people took a Phase 3 to mean “Go back to normal” it’s not surprising at all.

[dankrutka]

Honestly I don't bother looking at case numbers. I look at the death count. Any day without a death is a good day and unfortunately those days are an outlier.

Morbidity is often overlooked for mortality, but "recovered" patients can have their life severely damaged (see this story):

Covid-19 patients who were transferred to the I.C.U. generally remained there a long time — at least two weeks, one study found — leading to more muscle loss and to increased risk for other physical and cognitive issues.

After a long stint on a ventilator, they often wake up confused and may need to relearn how to eat without choking. Even if their lungs have mostly healed, they may still be debilitated after not moving for so long and receiving high doses of sedatives. Some must work with physical therapists and push walkers to be able to walk again.

The psychological toll can also be immense. Some patients are traumatized, prompting nightmares and fears of being alone and sleeping. “A lot of people told me they felt lost,” Dr. Alka Gupta, the director of a recovery unit in Manhattan, said.

Once patients are home, their recovery may still be far from over, with some requiring walking aids and visits from health care workers.

[soonerguru]

Where in my statement did I say people on here are calling for a shutdown again. No where.

I was commenting on the statements of the rise in casesu.. I was noting the models showed a few months ago the cases would rise after the shutdown. After the shutdown when moving to the right of he model, the cases rise under the flattened curve.

This should not be a surprise to anyone that the cases are rising.


The moving of goalposts is now being surprised the cases are rising when we know this three months ago.

What? Anyone who says they would know what happens with this virus three months into the future is full of it. Seriously, what?

I am not sure what you are trying to argue here, and you are definitely arguing something, but it is one thing to expect a rise in cases when we “reopen,” and it is something else when we are seeing exponential growth in new cases. There are no public health officials in Oklahoma who are treating this in the blase manner you are. None.

[OkiePoke]

I got my haircut at Capital City earlier this week. Everyone was wearing a mask and they seem very keen on keeping that as a policy. They did mention they are highly encouraging customers to wear masks, which sounds like they cut someones hair if they aren't wearing one. I would think that is up to the individual barber though. Seems like a high percentage of mask wearing there.

[OKC Talker]

Things look bad in OKC but I didn't realize how much worse they are in Texas! With community spread tending to follow major interstate routes, we may need to look into closing that southern border with them... =P

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-up-11-percent