Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Canoe]

The 1288 health professions said nothing about the end of Covid. They said that, "Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported."


Covid is here, is new, and can be deadly, Police brutality and abuse of blacks can be more deadly and has been around for centuries. All men are created equal, why don't we act like it?

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

[PhiAlpha]

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

[catch22]

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides.

I think that is a fair take, however I think when it comes to protesting for something you believe in, you may take risks that would be unnecessary normally. If one were to place themselves at risk for exposure, protesting for (IMO much-needed) reform in policing is more important than standing in line at Disney world to buy a $40 stuffed animal and $12 hot dog.

[RustytheBailiff]

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

No, not in the last year....but Covid has been around for six months, systemic racism has been around a couple of centuries longer. Perhaps if you were black you could understand the problem.

[PhiAlpha]

I think that is a fair take, however I think when it comes to protesting for something you believe in, you may take risks that would be unnecessary normally. If one were to place themselves at risk for exposure, protesting for (IMO much-needed) reform in policing is more important than standing in line at Disney world to buy a $40 stuffed animal and $12 hot dog.

Agree completely though the conflicting guidelines are laughable. Here’s my favorite so far: https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthe...s-allows%3Famp

[catch22]

Agree completely though the conflicting guidelines are laughable. Here’s my favorite so far: https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthe...s-allows%3Famp

I think policymakers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have to make rules that comply with guidance from the CDC, but at the same time, you can't really legally restrict protesting. It is a fundamental right of our society.

I am a huge critic of a lot of policies right now, like closing entrances to grocery stores. How is it safer to force everyone to use the same entrance, instead of having both entrances open and letting people stay spread out? I went to a brewery the other night and they would not serve you if you were standing, you had to literally be seated to consume. I am sure some of this may be different as Colorado is in a different phase of reopening, and interpretations vary from region to region. But it makes everything a pain in the ass.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I think policymakers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have to make rules that comply with guidance from the CDC, but at the same time, you can't really legally restrict protesting. It is a fundamental right of our society.

I am a huge critic of a lot of policies right now, like closing entrances to grocery stores. How is it safer to force everyone to use the same entrance, instead of having both entrances open and letting people stay spread out? I went to a brewery the other night and they would not serve you if you were standing, you had to literally be seated to consume. I am sure some of this may be different as Colorado is in a different phase of reopening, and interpretations vary from region to region. But it makes everything a pain in the ass.

I always assumed they only had one grocery entrance open so it would be easier to clean the entrance and carts.

[kukblue1]

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

Like the Govern of Michigan who had not problem being in a large group of protesters but still has business close.

[Martin]

i deleted all references to a pretty over the top post. if you feel the need to shout expletives at another user, then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. we don't expect everybody to agree, but we expect you to be at least a little civil in the way you express your disagreements.

[Bill Robertson]

i deleted all references to a pretty over the top post. if you feel the need to shout expletives at another user, then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. we don't expect everybody to agree, but we expect you to be at least a little civil in the way you express your disagreements.

Thank you.

[Canoe]

No, not in the last year....but Covid has been around for six months, systemic racism has been around a couple of centuries longer. Perhaps if you were black you could understand the problem.

Judging people by their skin color is ignorant and the very definition of racism. I encourage the posters on this board to focus on the issues and not on someone's skin color. The nature of the internet means that we do not know the age, sex, or skin color of the other posters. This should allow us to talk about the issues of the day rationally.

I oppose any system of belief that tells the individual what he or she can or can not do, think or understand based on thier skin color.

[PoliSciGuy]

We all agree, but Rusty’s post had nothing in it that did what you claimed

[Canoe]

We all agree, but Rusty’s post had nothing in it that did what you claimed

We disagree and I'll let it rest there. The people lurking in this thread can read what he wrote and make up their own mind about the topic. I am moving on from the topic.

[chuck5815]

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

Sounds like we won’t need mail-in voting anymore since it is safe enough to get out and protest.

[RustytheBailiff]

Judging people by their skin color is ignorant and the very definition of racism. I encourage the posters on this board to focus on the issues and not on someone's skin color. The nature of the internet means that we do not know the age, sex, or skin color of the other posters. This should allow us to talk about the issues of the day rationally.

I oppose any system of belief that tells the individual what he or she can or can not do, think or understand based on thier skin color.

I believe we were discussing the differences between the BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) Protests vs the LOCK DOWN Protests. Nothing I wrote was designed to be racist and if you took it that way, I am sorry. What I tried to convey is that if you lived in a black man's shoes you would know what the BLM Protests were about and would likely agree that they are far more important that Lock Down protest or whatever you want to call them. As you noted, this is an internet conversation, I have no idea whether you are black, red, white, yellow or brown. I was refuting your attitude, not your skin color.

Additionally, I was supporting the 1288 Health Care workers who signed the letter referenced above which was the basis of my original post.

[mugofbeer]

I believe we were discussing the differences between the BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) Protests vs the LOCK DOWN Protests. Nothing I wrote was designed to be racist and if you took it that way, I am sorry. What I tried to convey is that if you lived in a black man's shoes you would know what the BLM Protests were about and would likely agree that they are far more important that Lock Down protest or whatever you want to call them. As you noted, this is an internet conversation, I have no idea whether you are black, red, white, yellow or brown. I was refuting your attitude, not your skin color.

Additionally, I was supporting the 1288 Health Care workers who signed the letter referenced above which was the basis of my original post.

In the broad, historical scheme of things the BLM protests are probably more important but to the small business owners and those thrown out of their means of supporting their families, the Lock Down protests are no less important to them. Until you've walked in the shoes of a franchise owner, a waiter, cook or independent contractor who can't work OR file for unemployment due to state law or income level you would understand what they are about.

[soonerguru]

Like the Govern of Michigan who had not problem being in a large group of protesters but still has business close.

BOO. Ugly post. Woman has faced death threats for doing a good job. Her state capitol was invaded by paid white supremacists carrying semi-automatic rifles.

[PhiAlpha]

BOO. Ugly post. Woman has faced death threats for doing a good job. Her state capitol was invaded by paid white supremacists carrying semi-automatic rifles.

LOL, you’ve become such an extremist. It’s comical.

It’s okay to not like the lockdown protests but at the same time acknowledge the hypocrisy of being fine with large groups of people gathered closely together to protest one cause vs being against another while citing social distancing, fear of covid infection ramifications, etc as being reasons for being against the lockdown protests but totally throwing that out for the George Floyd protests. Not to mention emphatically extending lockdowns a week or two earlier (thus not allowing businesses to open) but being completely okay with people packing-in close together for protests.

As long as the protests are peaceful, anyone who wants to protest should be allowed regardless of how governors, health officials, the president, or anyone else feels about it and they all rightfully were. You can dislike/ridicule the lockdown protestors all you want, they might have been carrying big scary guns (which they were doing legally)...but I don't remember any of those protests descending into widespread looting, vandalism and violence as night fell (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I never saw widespread violence erupt as a result of the lockdown protests). Obviously the VAST majority of the George Floyd protestors were peaceful and conducted themselves honorably but to act like carrying large rifles (the worst thing that can be said about the lockdown protestors' actual actions) is worse than looting, vandalism, burning down businesses, and ACTUAL violence is a bit disingenuous.

[PhiAlpha]

In the broad, historical scheme of things the BLM protests are probably more important but to the small business owners and those thrown out of their means of supporting their families, the Lock Down protests are no less important to them. Until you've walked in the shoes of a franchise owner, a waiter, cook or independent contractor who can't work OR file for unemployment due to state law or income level you would understand what they are about.

100%. A little more empathy all around would be welcomed these days.

[TheTravellers]

... carrying large rifles (the worst thing that can be said about the lockdown protestors' actual actions) ...

Hanging effigies and making death threats is a bit worse than carrying large rifles.

[kukblue1]

Back to the topic shall we. 55 new cases no deaths. I'm liking this under a hundred a day trend. However Tuesdays have usually not been good so we shall see. Meanwhile So far, most states are not there. As of June 4, just six states — Connecticut, Kentucky, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, and Wyoming — met four or five of the goals, which demonstrates strong progress You can read that story here https://www.vox.com/2020/5/28/212705...tates-map-data

[OKC_Chipper]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

[kukblue1]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

Interesting but not sure I'm ready to trust WHO just yet.

[dankrutka]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

This goes against most of the researchers I've been reading for months... so the virus has spread to this many people almost solely based on transmissions from those who are symptomatic? That seems unlikely, but that would be good news if true. I'll definitely have to read more to .

Interesting but not sure I'm ready to trust WHO just yet.

I generally trust the CDC and WHO, but just read them with a critical eye and weigh their recommendations against other evidence. Both organizations offered wrong advice about mask-wearing in contradiction to epidemiologists and the emerging science. So, they can get stuff wrong, but they're not bad sources in general.

[kukblue1]

KOKC just reported a spike in numbers for Covid? What am i really missing here? I do see that cases are on an upward trend for the OKC metro area not sure I would call it a "spike". Increase yes spike not really. Anyone have more info?