Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[dankrutka]

Thanks, Dave. There are some on this board that couldn't admit that. I appreciate it.

+1000

If the purpose of discussions is to learn then it’s healthy to grow/change/admit we were wrong on something. It doesn’t happen a lot on the Internet.

[kukblue1]

Watching News 9 last night during the protest at the police station. They one reporter was letting other people talk into his microphone. I saw him shake hands with someone. Had no mask on the whole time. UGH. Glad Nation wide we really haven't seen a huge spike anywhere after opening thing back up. The next test is going to be what happens in these big cites in 2-3 weeks with all the protesters being so close. Yeah some had on mask but still if numbers don't spike that would be a good thing.

[jdizzle]

Watching News 9 last night during the protest at the police station. They one reporter was letting other people talk into his microphone. I saw him shake hands with someone. Had no mask on the whole time. UGH. Glad Nation wide we really haven't seen a huge spike anywhere after opening thing back up. The next test is going to be what happens in these big cites in 2-3 weeks with all the protesters being so close. Yeah some had on mask but still if numbers don't spike that would be a good thing.

The amount of protesters you are worried about is not very large.

[Bunty]

I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful, shouldn't exercise precautions, but when this started there were grim predictions of *millions* of US deaths alone. Of *course* 100,000 deaths are awful, but it isn't the millions that were predicted by models that were demonstrably flawed virtually the moment they were released.

But the worst model of 2 million deaths was based upon doing nothing at all. I think it's why governments decided they had to do something.

[Bunty]

If you're both willing to accept 100,000 deaths as "not all that bad" and reduce the pandemic down to death statistics only, this post might make sense. However, once you consider that young people caring less will kill more older people, that morbidity (people can have long-term health effects) without mortality, and that opening things up too much or in unsafe ways could result in closing things down again, it doesn't make much sense to me. The question is not whether schools should open or not, but if they do, how will they do it safely? Indoor concerts and sporting events likely should not resume at capacity until this is over... but outdoor concerts and sporting events that follow safety precautions can potentially find safe solutions. There's a lot of evidence that outdoors is way safer than indoors in general. In short, it's really about good planning.

This is a good article on how we proceed and they even offer a SAFE acronym that is helpful:

103,000 deaths, so far, isn't all that bad? Seemingly not. Medical errors contribute to more than 250,000 deaths in the United States each year, according to a 2016 Johns Hopkins study. Other studies put the figure as high as 440,000. Yet, the media doesn't present a daily updated record of the deaths. Maybe it should to remind people every day something needs to be done about that problem.

[kukblue1]

The amount of protesters you are worried about is not very large.

not so much here in OKC but in the other large cities around the country yes the mayor of Atlanta just told everybody to go get tested

[Edmond Hausfrau]

103,000 deaths, so far, isn't all that bad? Seemingly not. Medical errors contribute to more than 250,000 deaths in the United States each year, according to a 2016 Johns Hopkins study. Other studies put the figure as high as 440,000. Yet, the media doesn't present a daily updated record of the deaths. Maybe it should to remind people every day something needs to be done about that problem.

Medical error literature does exist, and a huge report was published in 1999 called "To Err is Human", an update was published 10 years later. It's put out by the Institute of Medicine. Those reports absolutely changed many of the responses to medical errors, but they do still occur.

[dankrutka]

People still should take precautions and social distance, but it's also increasingly evident that COVID-19 primarily spreads indoors and outdoor spaces are much safer. So, it's less likely that outdoor marches served as super-spreading events. Also, there were a lot of people with masks.

[kukblue1]

People still should take precautions and social distance, but it's also increasingly evident that COVID-19 primarily spreads indoors and outdoor spaces are much safer. So, it's less likely that outdoor marches served as super-spreading events. Also, there were a lot of people with masks.

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

[chuck5815]

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

Yeah, you can only beat a drum so long before it just tears.

[oilmud]

Yeah, you can only beat a drum so long before it just tears.

Just wait two more weeks

[jonny d]

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

[kukblue1]

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

Does Covid spread during massive street riots and peaceful protest or just in bars, restaurants and hair salons? At this point with thousands all bunched together in every major city we might as well just go back to normal. Concerts, kids back to school if it don't spread so easily and it's over with why are we still social distancing?

[Libbymin]

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

I certainly hope we continue trending in the right direction but I don't think there's any evidence to support the idea that hot weather will kill this virus. In fact, the virus is starting to get bad in countries that have pretty warm climates. Brazil just passed 500,000 cases for example. I do think Oklahoma being less densely populated has helped.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I hope the executive order is renewed so we don’t lose public data... https://oklahomawatch.org/2020/06/01...-transparency/

[SoonerDave]

OHD already released an email stating that city and zip-based reporting would be discontinued with expiration of that order. County-only from here on.

[kukblue1]

OHD already released an email stating that city and zip-based reporting would be discontinued with expiration of that order. County-only from here on.

Covid 19 is over with. The Media has moved on.

[dankrutka]

Does Covid spread during massive street riots and peaceful protest or just in bars, restaurants and hair salons? At this point with thousands all bunched together in every major city we might as well just go back to normal. Concerts, kids back to school if it don't spread so easily and it's over with why are we still social distancing?

Another false equivalency, binary post. It is very likely that COVID-19 will spread from the protests, but the odds of spread are likely greatly reduce by protests being outdoors. Some studies suggest indoor areas are near 20 times more likely spaces for spread. There should be no going "back to normal," but more activities can resume with caution and procedures. However, indoor concerts and schools can be superspreader events. Near 100 kids just contracted COVID-19 at a school in Israel.

Covid 19 is over with. The Media has moved on.

Do you speak about EVERYTHING in binary? You're either eating or starving, silent or screaming, open everything now or close everything forever. Post after post after post that's how you talk about COVID-19 and other issues. This may be a discussion board, but it just feels like you're not interested in the "discussion" part very much.

[Bill Robertson]

Binary, good word for it. Plus negativity and now adding drama and sarcasm. Pretty much why I don’t post on here lately and most likely has a lot to do with the thread dying off.

[kukblue1]

I admit I was wrong the virus was just made up after all. I'm sure that makes many of you very happy.

I have said from day one we need to protect the older population. I even said I thought it was Bull**** that the media was making a big deal about all these memorial day swim parties where people were outside. I said it's hard to spread in sunlight and being outdoors. I didn't see anything wrong with young people being out as long as they don't take it home to the older population. I got ripped for saying that. Now I'm being told " but the odds of spread are likely greatly reduce by protests being outdoors". Didn't I kind of already say that? So what is it? Can we have mass gatherings outdoors and be safe?

All I'm saying now is it's like the virus has just disappeared. Even again tonight on both local and National news there was very very little about the virus. You would think, in the local and national media, that all these large VERY large gatherings should be worrisome just like the people over Memorial pool parties but too me it doesn't seem that way at all.

[dankrutka]

Yes, the virus can spread at a party and a protest similarly. Sunlight does NOT kill COVID-19. It doesn’t matter if it’s day or nighttime. My understanding is that the viral load is reduced outdoors as the air and wind dissolves (maybe not the right word) it. But, the reason people view these two instances differently is not because they’re medically different, but because they’re socially different — partying vs protesting. Our response to COVID-19 is all about level of risk and why people are taking it. Besides, lots of protestors worse masks and almost none of the partiers did from what I’ve seen. That’s why the SOCIAL response has been different. But your point that both could spread it is true, but it’s also true that outdoor events are safer (not necessarily safe) than indoor ones.

[kukblue1]

Yes, the virus can spread at a party and a protest similarly. Sunlight does NOT kill COVID-19. It doesn’t matter if it’s day or nighttime. My understanding is that the viral load is reduced outdoors as the air and wind dissolves (maybe not the right word) it. But, the reason people view these two instances differently is not because they’re medically different, but because they’re socially different — partying vs protesting. Our response to COVID-19 is all about level of risk and why people are taking it. Besides, lots of protestors worse masks and almost none of the partiers did from what I’ve seen. That’s why the SOCIAL response has been different. But your point that both could spread it is true, but it’s also true that outdoor events are safer (not necessarily safe) than indoor ones.

Fair enough oh and News 4 at 6:30 only talked about the virus for 45 seconds. They said people were worried about the protest and they gave the numbers for the day. That however was it.

Here is a story about the sunlight. It Kills it pretty quickly. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...cientists.html

[RustytheBailiff]

Fair enough oh and News 4 at 6:30 only talked about the virus for 45 seconds. They said people were worried about the protest and they gave the numbers for the day. That however was it.

Here is a story about the sunlight. It Kills it pretty quickly. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...cientists.html

Not according to USA Today:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/2931170001/

[kukblue1]

Not according to USA Today:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/2931170001/

We really don't know much about this virus when it really comes down too it. I have heard it's mutinying and weakening. Then another report says it's spreads easier.

[Brad72]

We really don't know much about this virus when it really comes down too it. I have heard it's mutinying and weakening. Then another report says it's spreads easier.

EXACTLY. Today's Expert Opinion is tomorrow's long forgotten misinformation. I can't wait to see how the ball once again is moved in two weeks when there is no significant spike throughout the USA. We've opened major cities, more people don't wear masks than do, we've had a Memorial weekend and now close contact protesting. I predict there will be some small increase in hospitalizations, but nothing near in support of some of the doomsday predictions or insistence of some that anything resembling normalcy will result in catastrophe.