Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

I for one have always appreciated your intelligent posts here.

And whether you agree or disagree, people should be treated respectfully.

We very rarely ban people but I'm going to start revoking posting privileges of those who can't debate without getting personal and sh*tty.

We are way better here than almost anywhere on the Internet when it comes to tone, but that has been slipping lately and I won't have it.

[Bill Robertson]

Maybe it is the pessimist in me, but I don't understand how you could objectively say things are looking better. We have eleven new deaths reported in the last 24 hours. Yes I understand these deaths occured a few days ago, but it stands to reason that there will be deaths today, tomorrow, and the next day that are reported in the days following after.

I have complete faith that things will get better eventually. Every other country as far as I know has not seen a second wave like we thought.

I think things are steady at best. We are not out of the woods.

Where are you getting 11. The OKDOH site says 5. If there’s other data out there I want to know where to look.
As fas as being better the daily numbers are better than they were a month ago. They just are. And as long as they are I’m going to stay positive. I’m a glass half full kind of guy. I always try to be positive.

[TheTravellers]

Reading this makes me truly sad -- and angry. I'm sorry this happened. May I recommend Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, and Costco? I know they may or may not be your preferred shopping locales, but it seems as if they are taking this very seriously. Sadly, our own Oklahoma-owned businesses are hit or miss at best....

Homeland on 18th/Classen is taking it very seriously, moreso than the one at Britton/May, but yeah, other OK-owned grocery stores aren't doing that great at it. As far as the mask-wearing - do these same people b*tch and moan every time they get in a car and have to put on a seat belt? Or do they not wear them because "Freedumb"?

[kukblue1]

Since when?

I read it wrong. Total death by age group it's 80%. 80% of the deaths are from over 65.

[Ronnie Jackson]

Homeland on 18th/Classen is taking it very seriously, moreso than the one at Britton/May, but yeah, other OK-owned grocery stores aren't doing that great at it. As far as the mask-wearing - do these same people b*tch and moan every time they get in a car and have to put on a seat belt? Or do they not wear them because "Freedumb"?

Not exactly a great comparison. Physics doesn’t care whether the passengers in a car are young or old, have pre-existing conditions or are in perfect health, etc. The Virus very clearly does.

Plus, there’s growing evidence that Herd Immunity actually works. It won’t be the worst thing if younger people pick up some antibodies.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/eur...-off-1.1022466

[dankrutka]

I feel embarrassed to say I thought your name was Dank Rutka... Some sort of play on the cannabis industry here in OK.

haha. I like it!

I for one have always appreciated your intelligent posts here.

Appreciate the kind words. It's hard to have good conversations on Internet forums, but I try and I know others do to here. I certainly have posts I regret like most people, but I've long appreciated the OKCTalk community and everything Pete does enough to keep posting after moving away a decade ago.

[dankrutka]

Not exactly a great comparison. Physics doesn’t care whether the passengers in a car are young or old, have pre-existing conditions or are in perfect health, etc. The Virus very clearly does.

Plus, there’s growing evidence that Herd Immunity actually works. It won’t be the worst thing if younger people pick up some antibodies.

Seat belt laws may not be a good personal health analogy to mask wearing because not wearing a seatbelt only hurts yourself. Not wearing a mask hurts other people. It's more of a public safety or public health issue. Protesting wearing a mask is more akin to protesting drunk driving laws. Just like drunk drivers, people who don't wear masks are putting other people's health at risk.

The herd immunity argument is so oversimplified and misunderstood as a policy option. We have under 1% of people infected currently. If you're arguing for herd immunity then you're arguing for 70-80 times the sickness, morbidity, and deaths as we have now. There's a reason no health experts are advocating for it. It's the worst possible option and doing it as a policy option might be the most harmful option for the economy too. Even if we wanted it, it would still take a long time to get to herd immunity. We might be able to get a vaccine within that same amount of time AND save lives by not pursuing it. It's really just a policy of impatience.

[kukblue1]

https://kfor.com/news/lucky-star-cas...y5lCbZjq002mRs Goes back to keeping the older population safe. I can't see how a casino could ever be safe with all the smoking and the age of the clients they get

[Bill Robertson]

https://kfor.com/news/lucky-star-cas...y5lCbZjq002mRs Goes back to keeping the older population safe. I can't see how a casino could ever be safe with all the smoking and the age of the clients they get

Any casino would be just about the last place on earth that I would even think of going to right now.

[kukblue1]

Any casino would be just about the last place on earth that I would even think of going to right now.

I was just going to edit my post and say I guess if you go there that is on you but off all the places that i will not be going too anytime soon it's the casino.

Oh and I have been watching news 4 all night and not a word. Advertisement money I would guess.

[TheTravellers]

Pretty smart move, but kind of sad that it had to be done.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coron...b689d9f14be4c9

[Bunty]

I read it wrong. Total death by age group it's 80%. 80% of the deaths are from over 65.

In my opinion, if there has to be a spike, I hope it won't be in deaths from plenty of health impaired older people staying at home as well as enough social distancing and mask wearing to be effective. I'm motivated to wear a mask from having no idea if the virus would be mild or quite severe from it hitting me. I hope masks work better than nothing. If not, people may have to wear eye protection more commonly than now. The people who know or suspect they're positive shouldn't be out and if they must, it's even more important they wear masks.

The virus has hit some people in good health so hard they had to be hospitalized. Maybe some healthy people who won't wear a mask don't know that.

[OKC Talker]

Whenever a vaccine is actually available, there still may not be enough people in Oklahoma who go out and get it so that we have "herd immunity" for those who don't...

"A quarter of Americans have little or no interest in taking a coronavirus vaccine, a Reuters/Ipsos poll published on Thursday found, with some voicing concern that the record pace at which vaccine candidates are being developed could compromise safety."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22X19G

[Brad72]

Seat belt laws may not be a good personal health analogy to mask wearing because not wearing a seatbelt only hurts yourself. Not wearing a mask hurts other people. It's more of a public safety or public health issue. Protesting wearing a mask is more akin to protesting drunk driving laws. Just like drunk drivers, people who don't wear masks are putting other people's health at risk.

The herd immunity argument is so oversimplified and misunderstood as a policy option. We have under 1% of people infected currently. If you're arguing for herd immunity then you're arguing for 70-80 times the sickness, morbidity, and deaths as we have now. There's a reason no health experts are advocating for it. It's the worst possible option and doing it as a policy option might be the most harmful option for the economy too. Even if we wanted it, it would still take a long time to get to herd immunity. We might be able to get a vaccine within that same amount of time AND save lives by not pursuing it. It's really just a policy of impatience.

I think that's a bit of oversimplification yourself. Not wearing a seatbelt most certainly does in many instances hurt others. From the fact it contributes to the driver's inability to maintain control to passengers being thrown about and into other occupants. And while it doesn't necessarily hurt other's it certainly impacts them. First responders are called and put at unnecessary risk, resources are called upon at the scene and hospital, there are real costs associated, and an impact to family and friends.

But I get where you were going. I don't however agree that not wearing a mask is in general hurting others. Especially when the masks currently being worn are sadly inadequate. I say in general because I do think masks in high risk environments are a good thing. Places like nursing homes, people who work in close quarters with one another for long periods of time and things like that. Not running to the grocery store. I think prolonged dining is a risk, but I don't see how a mask can be worn in those situations. This why I prefer to eat outside on patios at the present time.

[Ross MacLochness]

^

The question becomes, do we just continue down this dangerous Greed is Good path or will this be a pivot point where we take stock of what is important and realize we don't need a new car every few years or some huge home even though families are much smaller than when the average home size was about 1/3rd what it is now? Or faced with an actual trial run, do we merely decide we'll continue to roll the dice because we want immediate gratification?

I think these are the most interesting questions coming from this entire situation.

That will be very tough, and could would require a total paradigm shift - because unfortunately, we've been trained over the last half century to believe that that what we spend out money on is what gives us identity and self worth. To take away someone's ability to replace their car or their clothes or their iphone every year, is to take away someone's perceived individuality.

[David]

I don't think anything is going to change, other than more polarization. People are extremely plugged into the news and media they consume and it shapes their worldview to a huge degree. You can see it in the response to the pandemic, the protests some areas are having, the pushback against masks.

[floyd the barber]

Where are you getting 11. The OKDOH site says 5. If there’s other data out there I want to know where to look.
As fas as being better the daily numbers are better than they were a month ago. They just are. And as long as they are I’m going to stay positive. I’m a glass half full kind of guy. I always try to be positive.

Eleven the past two days. Five yesterday and six reported the day before.

[Pete]

Updated for Thursday:

[floyd the barber]

AND another five reported dead just now since the report yesterday. I refuse to believe the numbers are dropping because it is simply not true. The numbers are all a day or two behind.

[kukblue1]

AND another five reported dead just now since the report yesterday. I refuse to believe the numbers are dropping because it is simply not true. The numbers are all a day or two behind.

I agree I don't think the numbers are changing all that much however we're not really seen a huge jump from when we opened things up on May 1st which is a good thing how many of the new cases are also from the correctional facility in Comanche County

[mkjeeves]

A day behind



https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

[Bill Robertson]

The numbers do run behind. That’s why I look at trends. And I have to be positive until there’s data to justify to me to be negative.
April 1st to 21st, 164 deaths, 369 hospitalized, 5 days of double digit deaths.
May 1st to 21st, 74 deaths, 186 hospitalizations, 0 days of double digit deaths.
May’s numbers are lower than April’s and I’m going to feel good about that.
I’m not saying I think it’s going away anytime soon or that I’m taking it lightly. We’re going to be getting hospitalizations and deaths for the foreseeable future. And I’m going to continue only going to work and the grocery store wearing a mask and going through soap and sanitizer like crazy for the foreseeable future.

[Canoe]

Updated for Thursday:

From 100 to 200 deaths it took 2 weeks. From 200 to 300 deathd it took 3 weeks. From 300 to 400 deaths I hope it takes 4+ weeks.

[floyd the barber]

The numbers do run behind. That’s why I look at trends. And I have to be positive until there’s data to justify to me to be negative.
April 1st to 21st, 164 deaths, 369 hospitalized, 5 days of double digit deaths.
May 1st to 21st, 74 deaths, 186 hospitalizations, 0 days of double digit deaths.
May’s numbers are lower than April’s and I’m going to feel good about that.
I’m not saying I think it’s going away anytime soon or that I’m taking it lightly. We’re going to be getting hospitalizations and deaths for the foreseeable future. And I’m going to continue only going to work and the grocery store wearing a mask and going through soap and sanitizer like crazy for the foreseeable future.

This was a refreshing perspective.

Thank you.

[Libbymin]

So far we've been pretty lucky that the weather has been pretty great during the pandemic, but it occurred to me yesterday as it gets hotter that people are starting to get more frustrated by having to stand outside in line when it gets warmer. A small price to pay in the greater scheme of things though.