Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[catcherinthewry]

probably due primarily to this:

average population density for each state:
florida state: 353 people/sq. mile
new york state: 421 people/sq. mile

population density for each state's largest city (by population):
miami: 12,139 people/sq. mile
new york city: 26,403 people/sq. mile

I think NYC's reliance on mass transit played a big part in it as well. There was probably a lot of transmission on the subways before people realized how serious it was.

[catcherinthewry]

I won't be shocked if they're there wearing masks. Probably some business is looking forward to selling a bunch of them with OU or Boomer Sooner stamped on them.

I would probably go to OU games if masks are required for everyone. Otherwise, unless things improve drastically, I'll be staying home.

[FighttheGoodFight]

New York has also tested over 1 million. Florida is still at 500k.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I would probably go to OU games if masks are required for everyone. Otherwise, unless things improve drastically, I'll be staying home.

I can't imagine they will have in person games at OU. They already have all classes reduced by 50% to increase social distance. All classes over 50 people are going to be online basically. If they are going to be that stringent on classes I can't imagine they are just going to let 80k+ people go to a game.

[David]

I have to wonder where the "NYC has subways they never shut down" wording is coming from, I've seen that in multiple places on social media and forums just in the last couple of days.

[catcherinthewry]

I can't imagine they will have in person games at OU. They already have all classes reduced by 50% to increase social distance. All classes over 50 people are going to be online basically. If they are going to be that stringent on classes I can't imagine they are just going to let 80k+ people go to a game.

I'm not counting on OU having football in the fall, let alone allowing fans in the stands. I'm just saying the only way I would go is if they require everyone to wear a mask.

As for classes, they should definitely make all students wear masks in the Fall regardless of class size.

[soonerguru]

I just don't see all sports completely shut down until next year. Different form, controlled environments, absolutely. None at all? No way.

Think of the legal liability. It would be off the charts. Also, how would they decide who gets tickets if there are even fans present?

There are people out there who seem to believe that "everything will be OK after August." There is no evidence to support that, unfortunately. My boss believes we will still have college football, it will just start in October instead of September. Again, not sure what that additional month would do but I think it's totally normal to suffer from wishful thinking.

OU has said they will return to in-person classes, but they closed down after 1 staff member was diagnosed. Do you believe they will risk their faculty, staff, and students if the threat still exists for widespread transmission?

Sad to say, but I am prepared to tell the athletic office that we will not be renewing our tickets this season. Without going into great detail, the combination of factors present among our family makes reckless behavior, well, reckless.

My employer had significant layoffs yesterday, as well. And while I survived that round, I'm not sure that will be the case by the end of summer, making football tickets a luxury purchase anyway.

Dave you are easily one of the smartest people on this forum, so your words are imminently respected, but I can't help but think you are engaged in some wishful thinking on this matter.

[Pete]

Updated for Friday:

[PhiAlpha]

I can't imagine they will have in person games at OU. They already have all classes reduced by 50% to increase social distance. All classes over 50 people are going to be online basically. If they are going to be that stringent on classes I can't imagine they are just going to let 80k+ people go to a game.

I think they will definitely have crowds at games this season at OU if they have classes on campus in the fall...which if it goes according to the current plan, they will. The question will be whether they let 20, 40, 60 or 80k into the stadium. And if the attendance is reduced, who gets in? They could use some kind of lottery among season ticket holders and students with those who don’t get selected being refunded for the game they couldn’t attend and allowing people who are selected to opt out if they don’t want to go. It wouldn’t make everyone happy but would be about the fairest way to do it. Suites and loge boxes would probably be okay since they already achieve some level of social distancing anyway...and it would make sure the university got the massive chunk of revenue from those season ticket holders. Additionally they could offer season refunds without the penalty of losing their season tickets for season ticket holders who don’t feel safe gong to games this season.

[PhiAlpha]

I have to wonder where the "NYC has subways they never shut down" wording is coming from, I've seen that in multiple places on social media and forums just in the last couple of days.

Did they ever shut the subways down? If they didn’t shut them down or reduce their capacity until late in the game, wouldn’t that have increased the viral transmission?

[mugofbeer]

They only shut them down completely this week for a "deep cleaning." Apparently the first time in 115 years the system was shut down completely. Not even for 9-11.

[mkjeeves]

I would probably go to OU games if masks are required for everyone. Otherwise, unless things improve drastically, I'll be staying home.

As I was thinking out loud about getting rid of tickets to an outdoor music event because just too many people shoulder to shoulder, common bathrooms and all that. It was mentioned by a friend how much yelling goes on...by the people behind you, aspirating all sorts of moisture in your direction and the environment around you. Which reminded me of all the loud screaming and especially loud screaming drunks I've been around at similar events, both sports and music. Will they keep their masks on for that? I'm not going to go and find out.

Hard pass for the foreseeable future.

[Pete]

Regardless of how many fans they allow and when they allow it, I've said before that sports and movies are likely to be impacted for years to come.

Both were already trending downwards because everything can be viewed at home now and huge, gorgeous TV's are cheap.

Stadiums and theaters have been adding better food, alcohol and other amenities in an attempt to slow the downward attendance momentum, but this virus is an entirely new thing that is going to keep people away and once you lose people, it's very hard to get them back.

I love going to games but I will absolutely be going to less in the next couple of years.

For colleges, this is a big problem because it's not just a sports owner that is affected, but entire universities will take a big financial hit and that will have a big impact in many ways that touches lots of people, maybe for a decade or more.

[Teo9969]

Regardless of how many fans they allow and when they allow it, I've said before that sports and movies are likely to be impacted for years to come.

Both were already trending downwards because everything can be viewed at home now and huge, gorgeous TV's are cheap.

Stadiums and theaters have been adding better food, alcohol and other amenities in an attempt to slow the downward attendance momentum, but this is an entirely new thing that is going to keep people away and once you lose people, it's very hard to get them back.

I love going to games but I will absolutely be going to less in the next couple of years.

Hard for me to consider paying $10 for a jug of popcorn, $8.00 for a soda, $9 for a single hot dog any type of "amenity". I can kind of get behind it at the movies, because tickets can be found relatively cheap. But when you're dropping $180 for a single, 3 hour event ticket, it's so annoying to eat crappy food and drink blah drinks at a 250% premium.

[mkjeeves]

I had not been to the theater but maybe once in the last 5 years until the holidays when we went a few times and enjoyed it. <sigh> Guess that's over with for awhile.

[jdizzle]

Question: once a vaccine becomes widely available, will things go back to 2019, when we know the flu exists, but no one gives a crap about it? Or will people still live in fear of it even then, and fear every hand they shake has some new virus? Or will there be a happy medium? Just curious, since from my Facebook feed, there are only those on either side.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Question: once a vaccine becomes widely available, will things go back to 2019, when we know the flu exists, but no one gives a crap about it? Or will people still live in fear of it even then, and fear every hand they shake has some new virus? Or will there be a happy medium? Just curious, since from my Facebook feed, there are only those on either side.

I would hope it would be back to normal but instead we fund agencies with more money to combat and identify ways to stop pandemics from happening in the future. As with all things it will be like that for a few years then those things will be rolled back to save some money and we end up in this again sometime in the future!

[HangryHippo]

I had all but quit going to the movies long before Covid-19 because of ****head behavior from other patrons at the theatres (bringing dinners in, vaping, cell phone use, etc.).

[jdizzle]

I would hope it would be back to normal but instead we fund agencies with more money to combat and identify ways to stop pandemics from happening in the future. As with all things it will be like that for a few years then those things will be rolled back to save some money and we end up in this again sometime in the future!

The ironic thing is, if China were not so arrogant, and having to put up a perfect, peachy touristy front, and acknowledged this from the beginning, 7-8 months ago, we would not be in this mess. Hopefully countries will be more forthright with their issues, and the WHO won't help them hide those issues for 3 months. No one is perfect, I know, but some of the gaffes in this are totally preventable.

I apologize for any veiled politics, and feel free to move to an appropriate thread!

[PhiAlpha]

Regardless of how many fans they allow and when they allow it, I've said before that sports and movies are likely to be impacted for years to come.

Both were already trending downwards because everything can be viewed at home now and huge, gorgeous TV's are cheap.

Stadiums and theaters have been adding better food, alcohol and other amenities in an attempt to slow the downward attendance momentum, but this virus is an entirely new thing that is going to keep people away and once you lose people, it's very hard to get them back.

I love going to games but I will absolutely be going to less in the next couple of years.

For colleges, this is a big problem because it's not just a sports owner that is affected, but entire universities will take a big financial hit and that will have a big impact in many ways that touches lots of people, maybe for a decade or more.

Sadly I agree.

[David]

Did they ever shut the subways down? If they didn’t shut them down or reduce their capacity until late in the game, wouldn’t that have increased the viral transmission?

I didn't ask "Is this true", I was wondering where the talking point came from. When you see a phrase like that spring up in multiple, unconnected places all at the same time it makes a person wonder.

[jerrywall]

I didn't ask "Is this true", I was wondering where the talking point came from. When you see a phrase like that spring up in multiple , unconnected places all at the same time it makes a person wonder.

Probably because they just shut it down for the first time ever so they can clean. Seeing that news made a lot of people go "they haven't been shutting it down for cleaning already?" maybe?

[OKCretro]

would be suprised if OU went to Army and played that game. Guessing they will reschedule in a couple of years.
Game is supposed to be played on Sept 26th.

[kukblue1]

Updated for Friday:

Numbers seem steady. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing. I guess good cause we are doing more testing and it's now super wide spread. Bad cause they still not really going down even after all this time of social distancing?

[HangryHippo]

How much more testing? At least one hospital in town is having issues obtaining supplies and their testing numbers have declined.