Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Pete]

Regarding California:


Los Angeles will begin to reopen Friday
From CNN's Cheri Mossburg

Los Angeles, the most populated county in California, will begin to reopen Friday, along with the rest of the state.

Trails, golf courses, car dealerships, and florists are among those being allowed to reopen, as are retail shops for curbside pickup, according to county supervisor Kathryn Barger.

Los Angeles has seen 1,367 deaths due to Covid-19, making up for more than half of all fatalities in the state.

Health Director Barbara Ferrer emphasized that the lifting of restrictions will be slow, with other low risk, nonessential businesses reopening soon, but in a drastically modified way.

Employees should continue to telework whenever possible, Ferrer said.

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Holy cow.

Yep. It’s now just another battle in the political divide. Sad.

[Pete]

Yep. It’s now just another battle in the political divide. Sad.

I don't know why people don't see this and how it affects Oklahoma given our extreme political leanings.

Of course it does and you can see examples all around.

[catcherinthewry]

Holy cow.

I wish they'd polled where the people got their news. I think that would've been really telling.

[The Shadow]

Places with polar-opposite political views when compared to West L.A.

The governor of New Mexico had to invoke the state's riot act on Friday at the request of the Mayor of Gallup.

[Teo9969]

Holy cow.

How could you not say that the economy is in a recession? If you want to get all conspiracy theory and say that this was a ploy by the liberal media to undermine Trump, the principal vehicle typically argued for undermining is damaging the economy. You can't then turn around and say "Yeah, not sure if the economy is in a recession."

The ignorance is incredible.

[Bunty]

The evidence for mask wearing is overwhelming. I posted this article from Zeynep Tufekci in mid-March here and she was correct on everything: Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired

She has since completed this study (under review) that there is strong scientific evidence for how universal masking can reduce transmission (source control) and greatly dampen the spread of COVID-19: Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review

The evidence thus far is clear and overwhelming: EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR MASKS when they cannot practice social distancing or are in indoors with other people. It is a civic act that can prevent harm to others. Not wearing masks in public places risks harm to others.

Once again, experts are divided on the subject of wearing masks being effective as article cited below proves. As a layman, I say wear a mask if it gives you a sense of security over it possibly being better than nothing. Maybe a mask will manage to block a large concentration of virus from entering, and so you won't be sick for longer than a week. But I'm not going to be overly shocked and disappointed if I read somewhere something like, "I always wore a mask when going out, but I'm now still sick from COVID-19 after a week." No doubt about it, when I see accounts where people were sick with the virus for as long as 51 days, such as that Enid man, or someone else under a ventilator for 28 days, I better either have faith in masks being better than nothing or else stay home all the time. If masks don't work, then maybe strong devotion to social distancing will. Anyway, let's hope the cautious reopening phases in Oklahoma will work out well and so will keep advancing forward, or else we're going to be finding ourselves in the Second Great Depression this fall for sure as well as still stuck in the Twilight Zone.

COMMENTARY: Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data

"Sweeping mask recommendations—as many have proposed—will not reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission, as evidenced by the widespread practice of wearing such masks in Hubei province, China, before and during its mass COVID-19 transmission experience earlier this year. Our review of relevant studies indicates that cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as PPE."

[soonerguru]

But the entire point of shutdowns and social distancing is to not transmit to others.

I can't believe this still has to be restated.

Thank you Jesus. So tired of the gaslighting.

[soonerguru]

From the comments above, my understanding of slow the spread and flatten the curve was to not overwhelm the hospitals. It was a temporary measure so hospitals could handle a potential spike in cases. It was not to completely eliminate the spread or deaths. At this time knowing the majority hospitals are not overwhelmed (yes I know a few have a lot of COVID-19, so it is not necessary to come back with one example of a hospital that is overwhelmed) it makes sense to stop the lockdown measures as hospitals are laying off employees due to lack of business as elective surgeries were banned.

Please note, I don’t want everyone to die with my comments above. There has to be a balance to the approach and taking risks is part of eveyday life.

The White House Task Force issued clear guidelines to open back up. The most prevalent of them, among four, was to see a pattern of 14 days of declining new cases. Oklahoma has not seen that. The mayor said OKC has seen that, although I'm dubious about that, because the numbers I'm looking at, which Pete posts, don't indicate that. At best, we have plateaued.

Regardless, quit caricaturing a la Fox News the position that is not radical at all to responsibly reopen the economy. Oklahoma did not meet the milestones. OKC did not meet the milestones.

People just got fed up and ready to reopen because of economic insecurity, which was magnified by the catastrophic failure of our federal and state governments to get aid to people who were supposed to be temporarily unemployed so we could starve the virus.

I doubt Phi Alpha and Boulder Sooner will actually read what I wrote and think about it without fomenting a counter argument. I would ask both of you: do you know people in the service industry? Do you know people in small business? I'm sure you do but I ask, how many of them have to this day received a penny in unemployment?

I will wait. This is unprecedented. Trump got it when he said, "We are needing to pay people not to go to work." However, the relief package failed to get to people and small businesses so you have all of these people desperate, afraid, hungry, etc. and having to decide between economic survival and physical survival. That is like Sophie's Choice.

This sucks.

[soonerguru]

Holy cow.

LOL wow! Holy sh*t.

[Martin]

oh man... not the kind of national attention we need.

[Plutonic Panda]

“ The incident is one of a multitude of protests from residents across the country responding to restrictions in place to combat the virus”

I’ve been seeing stories all over about confrontations happening.

[Jeepnokc]

“ The incident is one of a multitude of protests from residents across the country responding to restrictions in place to combat the virus”

I’ve been seeing stories all over about confrontations happening.

yep. Yesterday in OKC. Made national news. 2 shot at McDonalds because they could sit in dining room

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/mc...rus/index.html

[PhiAlpha]

The White House Task Force issued clear guidelines to open back up. The most prevalent of them, among four, was to see a pattern of 14 days of declining new cases. Oklahoma has not seen that. The mayor said OKC has seen that, although I'm dubious about that, because the numbers I'm looking at, which Pete posts, don't indicate that. At best, we have plateaued.

Regardless, quit caricaturing a la Fox News the position that is not radical at all to responsibly reopen the economy. Oklahoma did not meet the milestones. OKC did not meet the milestones.

People just got fed up and ready to reopen because of economic insecurity, which was magnified by the catastrophic failure of our federal and state governments to get aid to people who were supposed to be temporarily unemployed so we could starve the virus.

I doubt Phi Alpha and Boulder Sooner will actually read what I wrote and think about it without fomenting a counter argument. I would ask both of you: do you know people in the service industry? Do you know people in small business? I'm sure you do but I ask, how many of them have to this day received a penny in unemployment?

I will wait. This is unprecedented. Trump got it when he said, "We are needing to pay people not to go to work." However, the relief package failed to get to people and small businesses so you have all of these people desperate, afraid, hungry, etc. and having to decide between economic survival and physical survival. That is like Sophie's Choice.

This sucks.

I do know several small business owners that have received loans and a few service workers who have received unemployment. They are all in the “open things now” camp.

Frankly I really don’t care what you think anymore. I was laid off a few weeks ago and my wife, who works for a hospital, also had to take a pay cut. You can continue blubbering on about how everyone in the state, federal, and city governments, etc are doing everything wrong, that’s your right but I need things to start transitioning back to normal for my family regardless of your thoughts and feelings about it.

[jdizzle]

The White House Task Force issued clear guidelines to open back up. The most prevalent of them, among four, was to see a pattern of 14 days of declining new cases. Oklahoma has not seen that. The mayor said OKC has seen that, although I'm dubious about that, because the numbers I'm looking at, which Pete posts, don't indicate that. At best, we have plateaued.

Regardless, quit caricaturing a la Fox News the position that is not radical at all to responsibly reopen the economy. Oklahoma did not meet the milestones. OKC did not meet the milestones.

People just got fed up and ready to reopen because of economic insecurity, which was magnified by the catastrophic failure of our federal and state governments to get aid to people who were supposed to be temporarily unemployed so we could starve the virus.

I doubt Phi Alpha and Boulder Sooner will actually read what I wrote and think about it without fomenting a counter argument. I would ask both of you: do you know people in the service industry? Do you know people in small business? I'm sure you do but I ask, how many of them have to this day received a penny in unemployment?

I will wait. This is unprecedented. Trump got it when he said, "We are needing to pay people not to go to work." However, the relief package failed to get to people and small businesses so you have all of these people desperate, afraid, hungry, etc. and having to decide between economic survival and physical survival. That is like Sophie's Choice.

This sucks.

Pete posts the state's numbers, not OKC. You see what is happening in the panhandle? That is where a lot of the new cases are. OKC I think in the actually meeting those guidelines. Holt has been very proactive throughout this, and wouldn't judge numbers just to reopen.

[BoulderSooner]

I I would ask both of you: do you know people in the service industry? Do you know people in small business? I'm sure you do but I ask, how many of them have to this day received a penny in unemployment? .

yes, yes, and most

This sucks
.

this is one thing we all can agree on

[HangryHippo]

I do know several small business owners that have received loans and a few service workers who have received unemployment. They are all in the “open things now” camp.

Frankly I really don’t care what you think anymore. I was laid off a few weeks ago and my wife, who works for a hospital, also had to take a pay cut. You can continue blubbering on about how everyone in the state, federal, and city governments, etc are doing everything wrong, that’s your right but I need things to start transitioning back to normal for my family regardless of your thoughts and feelings about it.

Phi, very sorry to hear about you getting laid off.

[DowntownMan]

Why did the last few days reports of Oklahoma stats get deleted from OKCTalk social media?

[Pete]

Why did the last few days reports of Oklahoma stats get deleted from OKCTalk social media?

I deleted the post from yesterday because it had an error.

[PhiAlpha]

Phi, very sorry to hear about you getting laid off.

Thanks man, it’s all good (i guess lol). Given the situation, our regional office knew the ax was coming...on the bright side it’s at least been nice to no longer be constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop while watching everyone around me get cut.

[dankrutka]

Once again, experts are divided on the subject of wearing masks being effective as article cited below proves.

First, your post shows a clear misunderstanding why you wear masks: to protect others. And the point is that if everyone wears them then it is more effective... for everyone.

Yes, I've seen the arguments you've cited and the arguments are weak and tend to be more relevant for medical workers than for the public:
- Claim: There is no scientific evidence they are effective in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission; Reality: Evidence is mounting. The scientific standard is high, but it greatly leans toward mask wearing as the study I shared lays out.
- Claim: Their use may result in those wearing the masks to relax other distancing efforts because they have a sense of protection; Reality: This is a theoretical claim of a moving target that should be addressed as a public policy issue. Just like there has been an education about social distancing there should be an education about mask wearing. That does not mean mask wearing is ineffective. In fact, it's been proven the otherwise. See the study I posted.
- Claim: We need to preserve the supply of surgical masks for at-risk healthcare workers; Reality: This is actually an argument for wearing masks that cites a shortage problem, not a mask problem. Again, it is NOT an argument against mask wearing.

The study I posted is "evidence based" about mask wearing in public based on places that have implemented such policies. The site you posted does not even delve into that topic and makes several theoretical and unproven claims. EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR MASKS WHEN THEY CANNOT MAINTAIN SOCIAL DISTANCING.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Agree with above. Some psychologists would also argue that wearing a mask is a tangible reminder of a behavior modification i.e. it reminds you to physically distance. Similar to a Fitbit on your wrist reminding you to move more.

[PhiAlpha]

Agree with above. Some psychologists would also argue that wearing a mask is a tangible reminder of a behavior modification i.e. it reminds you to physically distance. Similar to a Fitbit on your wrist reminding you to move more.

Wearing one reminds me to be more vigilant about avoiding activities that might have been involuntarily otherwise...like touching my face, scratching my eyes, scratching my nose, etc...and helps remind me to lather on the hand sanitizer. May also have had the added benefit of helping a bit with allergies. They definitely look goofy but who cares, if it might have a net benefit to me and makes others feel more confident in returning to some kind of normalcy, I don’t mind doing it for awhile. I think our state government has rightly stopped short of requiring them but I think businesses have every right to do so for anyone who wishes to patronize their businesses. Those acting like businesses requiring masks is some restriction on freedom and are angered over it are more than a bit misguided. If a business wants to only serve people wearing their underwear on their head, they can do so for all I care...that’s their right and it’s the right of customers to choose whether to patronize that business or not.

[Pete]

Numbers just updated for Thursday:

[soonerguru]

yep. Yesterday in OKC. Made national news. 2 shot at McDonalds because they could sit in dining room

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/mc...rus/index.html

Also making national news this week: random thugs in Stillwater threatening physical violence against small business owners who were simply requesting that they wear a mask.