Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[gopokes88]

The goal wasn’t to stop the spread.

The goal was to not overwhelm hospitals, hospitals had so little business they are now near collapse. So goal accomplished.

[workman45]

Unfortunately from what we observed last weekend, only about 25% of people are wearing mask. Let's pray this doesn't hurt us down the road.

[David]

It might depend on where you are looking. I went by the Myriad Gardens and then through Bricktown a bit on Saturday, and from what I could see only myself and a small handful of other people were wearing masks or paying much attention to social distancing. On the other hand, when I went for groceries on Sunday nearly everyone was being compliant.

[TheTravellers]

Yes. My interpretation was the opposite of yours. If you want my business, then take "extreme precautions." To me, it's weird to interpret being "extreme" toward safety as some kind of problem. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people have this viewpoint that they want things to be normal. I don't. I want a business to require masks, limit customers, and have clear rules about where people stand or move.

I've eaten at Fait Maison, it's expensive as hell (cost us probably $300 total for both of us), and there's no way I'd go right now to a place with that kind of atmosphere (normally) and have to deal with "extreme precautions". I might not have been as clear as I should originally, but that was pretty much my point. We've got reservations at Nonesuch in June and if they're open and also taking "extreme precautions", I'm going to have to think twice about going - if I'm paying that much for a meal, I don't want somebody dressed in surgical garb with 3-foot long serving tongs serving me dinner.

[PhiAlpha]

I don't agree with framing this as a personal freedom issue. COVID-19 is, at it's core, a public health issue. When individuals or businesses open up in ways that irresponsibly harm others the core issue is NOT freedom. The only way to frame this as a "freedom" issue is to have no sense of the common good, sacrifice, or empathy.

As some businesses open and more people go out, I hope they have public health, not personal freedom, on their minds.

That’s one way of looking at it...but the other is that now people can choose to shelter in place and stay away from other people or not...which is definitely the freedom of choice. People that go into those businesses know the risk they are taking and are accepting the risk by patronizing the business. If a business is doing something unsafe...they will likely lose business because of it.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

- if I'm paying that much for a meal, I don't want somebody dressed in surgical garb with 3-foot long serving tongs serving me dinner.

Guarantee you that there's a kid at CIA in Hyde Park right now pitching this very concept. "Like Alinea but kaiseki, with sterilized instruments

[TheTravellers]

Guarantee you that there's a kid at CIA in Hyde Park right now pitching this very concept. "Like Alinea but kaiseki, with sterilized instruments

Ha!

"Your dessert, sir"

[Pete]

Numbers just updated for Tuesday:

[jccouger]

Always expect that Tuesday catch up on numbers.

The # of new cases may be due to an increase in capacity of testing, but the # of new hospitalizations is very concerning.

Opening up this week seems like at best it will keep this level going for the next few months which our society might be "ok" with. At least as far as the trade off with keeping a somewhat functional economy.

Got my fingers crossed by time that heat will help eliminate the spread, that feels like our only hope.

[OkiePoke]

Assuming a 2-3 day infection to hospitalization, Tuesday's numbers represent Friday/Saturday? These are usually our highest numbers of hospitalization

37, 27, 31, 36, 24

[jn1780]

There's always going to be a wide spread of actual infected vs what testing shows us. Its a characteristic of this virus, a very large number of asymptomatic people. In other states, they are seeing up to 50 percent of deaths occurring in nursing homes. Anything similar happening in Oklahoma? Once a nursing home gets infected, it pretty much spreads through the whole place. We would of had to force workers to stay there at the beginning if we wanted to save those lives.

[G.Walker]

We just seen our biggest spike in cases (130) since April 9th, hmmm? Lifting the shelter in place a bit too early, or just a coincidence?

[jn1780]

We just seen our biggest spike in cases (130) since April 9th, hmmm? Lifting the shelter in place a bit too early, or just a coincidence?

It takes at least 5 days to see any kind of results from lifting sheltering in place.

[Pete]

It takes at least 5 days to see any kind of results from lifting sheltering in place.

But since announcing the lift, there is no question way more people have been out and about.

And the announcement was 6 days ago.

[jn1780]

But since announcing the lift, there is no question way more people have been out and about.

And the announcement was 6 days ago.

Some of it. Its been steadily increasing since stimulus checks started going out. The antibody study results changed a lot of peoples attitudes toward the lockdown also. These studies quantified the spread and individual risks.

[Pete]

^

Many, many comments here and on social media that traffic has been up significantly since the announcement and parking lots of open retailers packed.

Common sense says that is going to lead to the spread of the virus.

[gopokes88]

We’re all gonna get it. Good chunk will get very sick, even fewer will die.

If you’re obese (which is the most common factor), elderly, or have other underlying health issues stay home. The rest of us will catch it for you and herd immunity will take effect.

[OKC Guy]

Interesting question someone asked me: Is it safer to go out and eat or to a grocery store.

After thinking about I concluded eating out was safer. What are others thoughts?

1. Go to Crest and place is packed all day every day. Massive volumes of people. Imagine if 2,000 people go to Creat and then how many items 2,000 touch since they are moving all around store

2. Go to Clark Crew and although crowded it doesn’t move as fast people wise in comparison. Likely has great ventilation system. Extra cleaning. Folks are not traversing the whole place touching everything.

I don’t know but it seems to me eating out is safer than dining in via grocery shopping.

What does the good folks here think?

[dankrutka]

If you really believe herd immunity is the only solution then walk the walk and get the virus on purpose. Otherwise, it’s just a way to rationalize putting others in harms way.

[dankrutka]

Interesting question someone asked me: Is it safer to go out and eat or to a grocery store.

After thinking about I concluded eating out was safer. What are others thoughts?

1. Go to Crest and place is packed all day every day. Massive volumes of people. Imagine if 2,000 people go to Creat and then how many items 2,000 touch since they are moving all around store

2. Go to Clark Crew and although crowded it doesn’t move as fast people wise in comparison. Likely has great ventilation system. Extra cleaning. Folks are not traversing the whole place touching everything.

I don’t know but it seems to me eating out is safer than dining in via grocery shopping.

What does the good folks here think?

Ventilation is important, but neither is “safe.” You’re going to be at risk in doors with other people.

[OKC Guy]

Ventilation is important, but neither is “safe.” You’re going to be at risk in doors with other people.

Good point. So why is everything still shut? In my view everyone has been to the grocery store often enough so everyone has been exposed most likely.

And on the question if it was only those 2 choices I’m choosing Clark Crew over Crest.

[jerrywall]

But since announcing the lift, there is no question way more people have been out and about.

And the announcement was 6 days ago.

But a bunch of these numbers would have been from under reporting over the weekend, so it would have been 2-3 days after the announcement. I think trying to ascribe this bump as a direct result of that is disingenuous or reaching. I think, if it really is a true bump, that it is reflective of the changing attitudes on the lockdown over the past two weeks. People have been getting out quite a bit more, shopping, etc. The announcement, obviously, isn't going to help this attitude any, so will certainly (or at least should) contribute to the spread long term, but I don't think we've seen the results of that yet.

[TheTravellers]

Ventilation is important, but neither is “safe.” You’re going to be at risk in doors with other people.

Do regular (not HEPA) HVAC (commercial or residential) units have filtering that will actually grab and trap virus particles? And do we even know for certain how contagious airborne coronavirus is or if it's transmitted primarily by touch or droplets/aerosol, or how much viral load has to be ingested before someone gets sick?

[Pete]

But a bunch of these numbers would have been from under reporting over the weekend, so it would have been 2-3 days after the announcement. I think trying to ascribe this bump as a direct result of that is disingenuous or reaching. I think, if it really is a true bump, that it is reflective of the changing attitudes on the lockdown over the past two weeks. People have been getting out quite a bit more, shopping, etc. The announcement, obviously, isn't going to help this attitude any, so will certainly (or at least should) contribute to the spread long term, but I don't think we've seen the results of that yet.

If you are trying to say that behavior -- i.e. much more going out -- didn't change as a direct result of the government announcements, I strongly disagree and that does not align with what I am seeing with my own eyes and what others have been freely reporting.

There is simply no way for this activity to increase relatively drastically and not have that increase the spread of the virus. That's just common sense completely independent of statistics.

[jerrywall]

If you are trying to say that behavior -- i.e. much more going out -- didn't change as a direct result of the government announcements, I strongly disagree and that does not align with what I am seeing with my own eyes and what others have been freely reporting.

There is simply no way for this activity to increase relatively drastically and not have that increase the spread of the virus. That's just common sense completely independent of statistics.

Actually, I specifically said the opposite...

The announcement, obviously, isn't going to help this attitude any, so will certainly (or at least should) contribute to the spread long term, but I don't think we've seen the results of that yet.

I just disagreed that todays numbers reflect that.