Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[Teo9969]

I don't know who/what you were following. It was to slow the spread.

While I agree with you that the message being delivered by those taking the virus seriously was unilaterally "we need to slow the spread", I will say I have seen that the message received for a lot of people was a concept leading toward extermination. I've seen more posts that I care to admit of "Stay at home, you're just extending this problem", which is one step a way from "Stay at home, so the problem will go away".

From both a virus and economic perspective, we need to find a sweet spot where the virus is spreading at a rate that our hospitals can handle. Slowing the spread too much is only going to expose us to massive spike when we're lulled into a sense of comfort and then another reactive shut down.

Again, we won't have a vaccine until Summer 2021 regardless, so there is no escaping the spread to a significant amount of the population.

[TheTravellers]

Not specifically OKC, but first death from the virus was 3 weeks earlier than we thought, so probably any modeling/predictions are probably incorrect.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...sly-known.html

[Canoe]

The iliad.

epic!

[dankrutka]

This article is not from an expert, but a sportswriter from Utah. Nonetheless, he outlines the pros and cons of four approaches. I found it helpful.

Here are four strategies we can choose from for the recovery battle, from fewest deaths to most deaths.

1. Stay closed until the virus is eliminated or we have a vaccine.

2. Test, trace, and contain until elimination or vaccine.

3. Herd immunity for most, quarantine the vulnerable.

4. Open the doors, go back to normal.

Personally, I think option 2 is the only one that makes sense. We have to pour resources and effort into making option 2 viable. Unfortunately, we're not ready for it yet, which is why opening too soon is a mistake. We want to have a plan in place before opening up. This is also why people need to agree to quit being stubborn about apps on phones that could help trace those infected and alert others... fight for privacy, not rejecting the idea.

[chuck5815]

Seems like the general public was/is(people are catching on now) thinking this was going to be like China/South Korea. There wasn't really an effort to correct them. I think a lot of exports think they can model South Korea also. South Korea did a lot of testing in a concentrated area. The crazy church group outbreak helped alert them to the problem and they acted quickly.

South Korean law also affords the country's telecom companies sweeping powers (https://www.lawfareblog.com/lessons-...ht-coronavirus), the likes of which most Americans would never, under any circumstances, accept.

[dankrutka]

South Korean law also affords the country's telecom companies sweeping powers (https://www.lawfareblog.com/lessons-...ht-coronavirus), the likes of which most Americans would never, under any circumstances, accept.

Which is almost comical considering this type of geolocation data tracing is basically ALREADY HAPPENING.

[jerrywall]

This article is not from an expert, but a sportswriter from Utah. Nonetheless, he outlines the pros and cons of four approaches. I found it helpful.



Personally, I think option 2 is the only one that makes sense. We have to pour resources and effort into making option 2 viable. Unfortunately, we're not ready for it yet, which is why opening too soon is a mistake. We want to have a plan in place before opening up. This is also why people need to agree to quit being stubborn about apps on phones that could help trace those infected and alert others... fight for privacy, not rejecting the idea.

I feel like there's an option somewhere between 2 or 3. Especially since I don't know if we're going to able to eliminate or get a vaccine in less than 18 or more months. I thought much of the purpose of flattening the curve was to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, stock up on PPE and ventilators and such, and to give us time to ramp up testing and medical capacity. The analogy I heard was comparing it to plowing a pile of snow. When you flatten the mound, you still have the same amount of snow, spread out over a longer time. Maybe I've been wrong in this perception?

If I'm not though, I feel like it's a do #1 and #2 until certain criteria, and then cautiously start moving towards #3 with checks and gates in place where we can move backwards quickly if we see an increase or surge. This seems to characterize the plan as layed out in the governors' press conference on Friday from Integris.

[catcherinthewry]

Looks like Stitt wants to start reopening the state soon.


https://twitter.com/casteelpolitics/...38767117602824

[Midtowner]

Yep, a bunch of folks caught cases in November.
It was flying low-key under the radar.
We have more immunity to this V than we think.

Said everyone after the first wave of the Spanish flu.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Looks like Stitt wants to start reopening the state soon.


https://twitter.com/casteelpolitics/...38767117602824

Well this will be interesting. Stating next Friday phase 1 starts.

[Jersey Boss]

Which is almost comical considering this type of geolocation data tracing is basically ALREADY HAPPENING.

See Patriot Act. Cops have been getting cell data for years without a warrant.

[Pete]

Businesses such as hair salons, spas, nail salons and pet groomers will be allowed to open by appointment only starting Friday so long as they maintain social distancing recommendations and "adhere to strict sanitation protocols," Stitt said.

As of May 1, more businesses will be able to open statewide, Stitt said at a press conference at the state Capitol to outline a roadmap for reopening Oklahoma businesses. Restaurant dining rooms, movie theaters, gyms and churches will be able to reopen at that date.

https://oklahoman.com/article/566071...tarting-friday

[AP]

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...response-today

Gov. Stitt says in Phase One, Oklahomans should continue to do the following: avoid social gatherings that don't allow for social distancing and minimize non-essential travel. He says employers should create phases for people to return to work, while keeping common areas closed and honoring requests and accommodations for high risk employees.

Gov. Stitt continued by adding that personal care businesses can reopen Friday for appointment only, and must have strict sanitation. This would include such businesses as pet groomers, hair salons, spas, etc.

Grocery stores should continue to have special hours for the most vulnerable in the community.

Beginning May 1, Gov. Stitt says the following businesses can reopen, if they comply to all of the precautions:
-Restaurants
-Movie Theaters
-Gyms
-Churches
-Sporting Venues

During Phase One, bars will remain closed, says Gov. Stitt.

Gov. Stitt says it is important to note that if hospital data remain manageable for two weeks then we will go onto Phase Two.

During Phase two, the most vulnerable in the community will still partake in implementing precautions. Sporting events and bars will be able to reopen, and funerals and weddings can resume with more than 10 people.

If hospital data continues to be manageable for another two weeks after the beginning of Phase Two, then Phase 3 will be implemented.

[Pete]

Will be interesting to see what Holt and other mayors do in terms of keeping their own restrictions.

[Teo9969]

Two weeks is a mistake.

Should be 3 or 4 weeks.

[catcherinthewry]

Two weeks is a mistake.

Should be 3 or 4 weeks.

At least.

[jerrywall]

Two weeks is a mistake.

Should be 3 or 4 weeks.

I agree. I also expect that the major cities will be more strict than the state on reopening. The 2 weeks might be sufficient for many of the smaller and rural communities though.

[Jersey Boss]

Will be interesting to see what Holt and other mayors do in terms of keeping their own restrictions.

Mayor Clark has solicited opinions from the residents of Norman. Additionally she has asked the Guv to listen to what the mayors of 3 largest cities say. Clark indicated Norman is not opening on 4-30.

[FighttheGoodFight]

He was asked if he would force cities to follow this order. He said “he would cross that bridge when he got there.”

This will be interesting

[liirogue]

Stitt did not explain well enough in his press conference that the restrictions put in place by the mayors of OKC, Tulsa, etc. are still in place. My Facebook is blowing up with OKC businesses "proudly announcing " that they'll be open for business on Friday.

[Bill Robertson]

Will be interesting to see what Holt and other mayors do in terms of keeping their own restrictions.

On KFOR there’s a couple pages of tweets that pretty well state either directly from the mayors or through Jessica Bruno that OKC and Norman will reopen only when those cities feel it’s the right time.

[chuck5815]

Stitt did not explain well enough in his press conference that the restrictions put in place by the mayors of OKC, Tulsa, etc. are still in place. My Facebook is blowing up with OKC businesses "proudly announcing " that they'll be open for business on Friday.

I would think that, technically, the OKC Police belong to Holt and he could continue to enforce whatever restrictions he deems are necessary, over the Governor's objection.

[Teo9969]

We're about to see a massive rift between city and state officials.

The problem here is that, in addition to potentially having zero ramifications for OKC based businesses if the state trumps the municipal orders, Mayor Holt's pronouncements don't affect Norman, Edmond, Moore, Yukon, Bethany, Warr Acres, Midwest City, and all other 50% of the 1.4M populated metro. Measures would be substantially undermined if Edmond, Norman, etc. don't fall in line with Holt.

[Teo9969]

It's the same reason Cuomo is the face of New York City right now, and not DeBlasio.

[Jersey Boss]

We're about to see a massive rift between city and state officials.

The problem here is that, in addition to potentially having zero ramifications for OKC based businesses if the state trumps the municipal orders, Mayor Holt's pronouncements don't affect Norman, Edmond, Moore, Yukon, Bethany, Warr Acres, Midwest City, and all other 50% of the 1.4M populated metro. Measures would be substantially undermined if Edmond, Norman, etc. don't fall in line with Holt.

Mayor Clark of Norman already voiced disagreement with this position of the Guv. But it wasn't due to falling in line with Holt. She was out in front of this when Holt was still figuring it out.