Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[OKC Guy]

I would love to question if the reported deaths are:

1. Died from CV
2. Died with CV

I believe there is more money if CV is listed than if not. Challenge is we are all using these numbers to make big decisions so its fair to ask about the data imo

[jdizzle]

I hoping that is due to delayed reporting from other sources.

Probably more likely what Pete said above.

[Pete]

I would love to question if the reported deaths are:

1. Died from CV
2. Died with CV

I believe there is more money if CV is listed than if not. Challenge is we are all using these numbers to make big decisions so its fair to ask about the data imo

These are deaths attributed to Covid-19.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[Jersey Boss]

Not only deaths, but positives and hospitalizations up by a higher % than in recent days.
To early for resuming elective surgeries in my opinion

[RedDollar]

21 deaths today? That is an unpleasantly sharp uptick.

Fox 25 mid day news, said most of them were in eastern Oklahoma, only one in Ok County, and 2 in Kay County.

[Teo9969]

It almost looks like Oklahoma has found a sweet spot where we've got a lot of people out and about and communal contagion is low to moderate and we're not seeing any sort of rapid spike, but we're also not seeing a recovery where we move to negligible increases in cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

[OKC Guy]

These are deaths attributed to Covid-19.

Sorry to disappoint you.

? What does disappoint have to do with my question? I hate any deaths. I know we use the numbers for many things plus will they be used to make reopen decisions? I think its important to know in more detail if CV caused the death. I learned long ago to question things and thats all I’m doing. I’m not calling anyone out or saying anyone is lying. I just want to know officially how and who is making these determinations and what criteria they are using.

Is there any official place to see the official way they decide if its CV or not?

If my questions are not allowed then please retract them

[dankrutka]

I've been saying this for a while. Let the under 45 crowd out and keep the older crowd in. Give them the extra unemployment money and extra checks . Let the younger crowd get herd immunity.

This will lead to disaster and another shelter-in-place. First, there is no evidence that a society can effectively segregate young and old people. Second, we don't know who is vulnerable. Many people have health problems of which they are unaware of. Moreover, obesity is a primary cause for COVID-19 for young people. They should be considered immunocompromised. And a huge number of young Oklahomans are obese. Third, people seem to be misunderstanding many of these models. They're not predictors, they offer a range of possibilities. Many models offered worst-case forecasts based on people making few changes in their lives. Instead, people have made unprecedented changes to their lives that has had generally good results. Now, people are using the policies that were successful to say this has all been overhyped.

There are good models for transitions, but much of the U.S. is going to fail at them because we're rushing things back before we have the testing and tracing infrastructure to keep this under control. There is no safe way to open restaurants and gyms with widespread transmission that will likely lead to a worse wave. People need to quit making decision based on anxieties and start using evidence or else it will end up counterproductive.

[Bunty]

This happened.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...Tu94qpgnLyvREw

In pictures of Alex Jones at the event, from the expressions on his face, the grimaces, he looked like he was wondering if he should even be there, such as the picture of him shaking a man's hand. People like him should have at least had the good sense to wear a mask, but maybe doing that would distract from trying to get back to normal. Anyway, if he comes down with the virus, I will be wondering what if only he had a mask on. If he doesn't come down with it, I won't be surprised he claims his snake oil saved him.

[catcherinthewry]

? What does disappoint have to do with my question?

I believe there is more money if CV is listed than if not.

When you hint at conspiracy theories that COVID deniers espouse don't be surprise if your intentions are questioned.

[OKC Guy]

When you hint at conspiracy theories that COVID deniers espouse don't be surprise if your intentions are questioned.

Say what? It was reported already by MSM that other states are doing this. Its not me making stuff up.

So its fair to ask how Oklahoma is reporting. Why is everyone so on edge? AllI want to know is what Oklahoma is using to define CV deaths.

Here:

CDC tells states to add 'probable' coronavirus cases to death toll

NEW YORK — The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths could soon jump because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing.

There was already a big rise in New York City, where officials this week started counting people who had never tested positive for the coronavirus. That caused the city’s death count to jump by more than 3,700 on Tuesday.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...irus-cases-de/

[soonerguru]

Numbers just updated for Tuesday:

Biggest jump in cases since the 9th. 21 deaths. Just wait over the next two weeks after all the dumb Okies who think this is over and who have been out and about start transmitting it.

I don’t think we will peak in Oklahoma until sometime in May or June, once people finally realize this is an actual threat. Their negligence will just drag this out for months.

And no, healthy people under 45 are not safe. My work colleague is 40 and healthy with no underlying conditions and she has had this over a month. She said it is worse than any flu or illness she has ever had. She can barely speak for 10 minutes without losing her breath and having to lay down. Sadly, I wonder if she will be like the divers in that German study, permanently damaged by this, with permanent lung damage.

Please listen to medical experts and scientists not Tea Party organizers and Fox News commentators .

[kukblue1]

Are Hospitals up cause of Easter? 8 days would be the right time frame most start showing symptoms day 5-12. Also the Checks came in the mail last Wednesday. I'm really interested in the numbers to see if they stay high cause of these couple of factors.

[Teo9969]

Biggest jump in cases since the 9th. 21 deaths. Just wait over the next two weeks after all the dumb Okies who think this is over and who have been out and about start transmitting it.

I don’t think we will peak in Oklahoma until sometime in May or June, once people finally realize this is an actual threat. Their negligence will just drag this out for months.

And no, healthy people under 45 are not safe. My work colleague is 40 and healthy with no underlying conditions and she has had this over a month. She said it is worse than any flu or illness she has ever had. She can barely speak for 10 minutes without losing her breath and having to lay down. Sadly, I wonder if she will be like the divers in that German study, permanently damaged by this, with permanent lung damage.

Please listen to medical experts and scientists not Tea Party organizers and Fox News commentators .

I don't understand how negligence is drawing this out. What I've seen circulating since early on has been very clear: because we don't and won't have a vaccine in time, at least 60% of people WILL get this virus and the only question outstanding is when they will get it. The reason for this is because the virus spreads unwittingly with ease. We can attempt contact tracing all we want, but unless we have 900,000,000 rapid result tests in the wing and a really low margin of error plan to mark a Day 0, we have 0% chance of hindering the spread of this until enough people cannot contract the virus due to built up immunity or a vaccine

It is never going to happen in the West. We are not prepared for something like this and never were, not with all the prep that was done in the previous 5 administrations. We cannot betray our ingrained values quick enough to effectively quell a "stealth virus".

There is no removing the virus from circulation only reducing the velocity of circulation. The velocity in Oklahoma is clearly at a manageable pace. I'm not saying re-open everything tomorrow, but the people out and about for the last 3 weeks have not flooded our hospitals. Additionally, a lot of data should be coming out in the next two or three weeks that gives us what we need to create the most effective policies of re-opening.

[mugofbeer]

In pictures of Alex Jones at the event, from the expressions on his face, the grimaces, he looked like he was wondering if he should even be there, such as the picture of him shaking a man's hand. People like him should have at least had the good sense to wear a mask, but maybe doing that would distract from trying to get back to normal. Anyway, if he comes down with the virus, I will be wondering what if only he had a mask on. If he doesn't come down with it, I won't be surprised he claims his snake oil saved him.

Maybe it would be OK if he caught it?

[mugofbeer]

Biggest jump in cases since the 9th. 21 deaths. Just wait over the next two weeks after all the dumb Okies who think this is over and who have been out and about start transmitting it.

I don’t think we will peak in Oklahoma until sometime in May or June, once people finally realize this is an actual threat. Their negligence will just drag this out for months.

And no, healthy people under 45 are not safe. My work colleague is 40 and healthy with no underlying conditions and she has had this over a month. She said it is worse than any flu or illness she has ever had. She can barely speak for 10 minutes without losing her breath and having to lay down. Sadly, I wonder if she will be like the divers in that German study, permanently damaged by this, with permanent lung damage.

Please listen to medical experts and scientists not Tea Party organizers and Fox News commentators .

Do you really think it's just people in Oklahoma are getting out and about? Our news is so NYC and DC centric as to make many think what you are seeingbon the national news is how it is everywhere.

Our very science-oriented GAY DEMOCRAT Governor in CO just announced he doesn't plan to extend the shelter-in-place for the state after April 30 because it's unnecessarily keeping people away from jobs all across rural CO where there is little to no virus being reported. He also acknowledges there are many other jobs where separation and distancing are probably adequate.

They are formulating plans to extend shelter-in-place by county or big city by big city and require masks be worn by everyone. They are also making it clear there may be flare-ups that require shut-down later on.

Even the somewhat liberal hosts on CNBC this morning were making many of the same comments that in less densely populated areas, there should be consideration given to gradual opening.

So next time you think those dumb Oklahoma conservatives are the only ones who are looking to end shelter-in-place in their location, think again. There is also the choice that if you don't think it should end, just stay home. I don't plan to get out much more than now for a few more weeks.

[Jersey Boss]

Just curious as to what relevance the sexuality(in caps no less) of the Governor has to do with shelter in place?

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Per NPR reporting, Cleveland clinic says it has stopped using Abbott labs and DiaSorin tests as the false negative rate falls below 95percentile. Abbott disputes the claim. Cleveland clinic doctor says he plans to publish the data.
Here in Oklahoma, everyone is using different tests, some Abbott, some Cepheid. It will be interesting to see where all the sensitivities and specificities end up. Read somewhere that only 4 labs had EUA now for FDA for rapid assay, but they are aware of 98 different rapid tests being used experimentally.

[Bill Robertson]

I’m with mugofbeer. If everything gets opened up I’m waiting a while to see how it goes before I get out much.

[mugofbeer]

Just curious as to what relevance the sexuality(in caps no less) of the Governor has to do with shelter in place?

To further illustrate, for the poster who said those who wanted the shelter-in-place order modified were "dumb Okies", Gov. Polis is the furthest thing from a bible-totin', FOXNEWS obsessed right winger who acknowledges it's silly to force people to shelter in place in areas where the virus simply isn't present. Dont get all offended at it.

[Jersey Boss]

To further illustrate, for the poster who said those who wanted the shelter-in-place order modified were "dumb Okies", Gov. Polis is the furthest thing from a bible-totin', FOXNEWS obsessed right winger who acknowledges it's silly to force people to shelter in place in areas where the virus simply isn't present. Dont get all offended at it.

Nothing in that post is illustrative of a person's sexuality being connected to theology, television news viewing habits, intelligence, or geographic locale. It does say more about the author of the post. Nor is saying GAY Governor in anyway an answer to "dumb okies" There was nothing by that poster about Fox, religion or other descriptors you offered up.

[jerrywall]

I’m with mugofbeer. If everything gets opened up I’m waiting a while to see how it goes before I get out much.

I think a fair amount of folks are like that. I know my wife and I were talking yesterday about what we'd do if either of our jobs started wanting folks to come back in sometime in May. I'd be shocked if my work did it, but she's willing to quit rather than go back, because I'm in such a high risk segment of the population. I expect it'll be months after everything opens up before I'm comfortable being out among crowds.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I think a fair amount of folks are like that. I know my wife and I were talking yesterday about what we'd do if either of our jobs started wanting folks to come back in sometime in May. I'd be shocked if my work did it, but she's willing to quit rather than go back, because I'm in such a high risk segment of the population. I expect it'll be months after everything opens up before I'm comfortable being out among crowds.

I really do see it being two segments of people when it partially opens up.

The people who just go back to normal life and blow this whole thing off, maybe get sick maybe not. Then you have people who are going to wait several months to see how it all shakes out. I tend to fall in the later camp but am lucky to be able to work from home until at least August.

[chuck5815]

A lot of folks are conveniently forgetting that it's about to get hot AF in Oklahoma.

We'll be out mowing the lawn and enjoying the Australia Effect soon enough: https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/.

[Pete]

In places where they are starting to reopen, consumers are generally staying away.

To me, that's the worst outcome. You still have a very high risk of things going wrong and possibly going back into lockdown again instead of just riding this out another month or two (the economic damage is already done IMO)... And then you don't have enough business to pay your people anyway.

I've been ringing the economic alarm bells since the very beginning but as I said, at this point the economy is already thrashed for a while so might as well do things right and then try and get past this.

And I say all this with the very strong reality of completely losing my business.