Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[SSEiYah]

Mathis brothers parking lot looked fairly packed this afternoon.

I went to Home Depot/Crest/Homeland today. Far NW locations near Rockwell Ave. Ballpark, I'd say 1/3 were wearing masks at both grocery stores but only 1/5 of folks at Home Depot. The whole "everyone wear masks" thing is still a ways out.

Granted, if masks were readily available, I think more folks would wear them, but not everyone unless there is a City-wide thing put in place. I managed to get my order of 50 KN95 masks from Alibaba, but I would not expect the same results for everyone. The vendor I bought mine from appears to have been removed from Alibaba. Ordering from Alibaba is still a bit of a pain and not a lot of recourse if stuff gets seized by customs for example.

[soonerguru]

It seems as if Trump is abdicating the federal government's role in executing significant testing on a national level. Even if states were to relax restrictions, people do not feel safe to go to restaurants, stores, concerts, and other gatherings. As a nation, we have enough nukes to liquefy the planet many times over with a virtually limitless military budget. We put people on the moon. So, why are we being led to believe we cannot mass produce the volume of tests necessary to test our people? The president has the full power of the federal government to ramp up mass production of tests, using the emergency powers granted to him by both houses of Congress. Why is he arguing with governors of states and saying it is their job? Come on! We need tens (or even hundreds) of millions of tests produced and a plan to trace infections. The president has an almost limitless budget to get this done (and states do not)! If we can send everyone a check can we not schedule everyone for a test? We need mass testing. Once we have that, we can trace and isolate those who are infected, clear the virus, and only then will the public feel confident to return to department stores, malls, restaurants, and sporting events. Until that occurs, we will live in a lingering purgatory of inconsistent social distancing policy, rudderless political argument, and the vast majority of folks staying the f at home because they are inherently smart enough to know that they don't want to get sick and die. A politician cannot magically wave a wand and "reopen the economy," because people know better and will not rejoin public gatherings until they believe they are safe.

[soonerguru]

For multiple tests, who's paying for it? I'm fine with everyone getting tested multiple times voluntarily and I think enough tests should be available so that anyone that wants one/needs one can get it done but I don't think being tested should be required by the government (except maybe for state and government employees). If a company wants to require it before allowing you back to work...go for it. If hospitals and long-term care facilities want to require that you be tested...sure. If/when a vaccine is developed...apply it in the same way that mandatory vaccinations are now...it's required to go to school, etc. Otherwise treat it like the flu shot and highly encourage people to get it...I think most people will happily volunteer to get it after all this.

If you had COVID-19 would you be opposed to being quarantined for 14-21 days? I would assume not. Now, let's suppose you have a job that would not allow you to quarantine ( I know this is not the type of job you would have ). Most Americans would lose their jobs under such circumstances. So, the solution is fairly simple. Just ask everyone to get tested, with some type of fiduciary incentive. If they test positive, the US Government will pay their employer for the amount of time they are quarantined. If they do not have a job, pay them a set amount of $$$. As expensive as this sounds, it is way cheaper than the utterly disastrous rescue/stimulus thing that just happened, which has left many businesses out in the cold and individuals wondering if they are on a government blacklist because they have received nothing and are on the verge of starvation. This is serious talk if you want to "reopen the economy."

[soonerguru]

Yeah...people will start rioting if we get to that point. The protests are already starting and its only going to get worse the longer we go without a definitive timeline and the more desperate people get.

The "protests" are being funded by partisan political interests and are comparable to the "Tea Party" protests of 2010.

[catcherinthewry]

The "protests" are being funded by partisan political interests and are comparable to the "Tea Party" protests of 2010.

There's a political thread for this. This thread needs to be based on science and facts.

[chuck5815]

The "protests" are being funded by partisan political interests and are comparable to the "Tea Party" protests of 2010.

Oh really? And I suppose Vince Foster landed a Black Helicopter during the Penn Square Protest?

[dankrutka]

I just don't see any situation in which something like that, any kind of tracking app, or system that will be seen as a restriction on freedom or invasion on privacy will ever be widely accepted or adopted here. I sure as hell know I don't want anything like that on my phone and would scream from the rooftops if I wasn't allowed to enter a store or anything else because I HADN'T contracted the virus. F*** anything like that.

I am about the biggest privacy/personal data advocate you’ll find. I’ve been arguing more states following the EU and California’s lead in limiting personal data extraction and tracking. And, still, I believe coronavirus tracing apps have to be part of the solution. It can save lives and businesses. It can also be built with certain limitations... thatzz so what we should fight for.

[Jersey Boss]

Knowing the stories my mom told me of the sacrafices she and countless others made on the home front during WW2, I shake my head at the indignation some express for any type of inconvenience.

[Pete]

Updated for Saturday:

[Bill Robertson]

Mathis brothers parking lot looked fairly packed this afternoon.

I went to Home Depot/Crest/Homeland today. Far NW locations near Rockwell Ave. Ballpark, I'd say 1/3 were wearing masks at both grocery stores but only 1/5 of folks at Home Depot. The whole "everyone wear masks" thing is still a ways out.

Granted, if masks were readily available, I think more folks would wear them, but not everyone unless there is a City-wide thing put in place. I managed to get my order of 50 KN95 masks from Alibaba, but I would not expect the same results for everyone. The vendor I bought mine from appears to have been removed from Alibaba. Ordering from Alibaba is still a bit of a pain and not a lot of recourse if stuff gets seized by customs for example.

I went to the same Homeland and then the nearby Walmart Neighborhood Market this morning early. At neither were there more than maybe 20% of us wearing masks of any kind. N95 masks may not be readily available but there are tons of make your own videos and such on the internet. I’m a believer that anything beats absolutely nothing. At Homeland a guy came right up to me waving a 4 pack of beer he was amazed to find there and practically yelling at me “You should try this stuff, it’s great”. One note on Walmart. Their paper goods isle was fully stocked. In fact except for cleaning sprays, wipes, etc. the store was pretty much normally stocked up.

[kukblue1]

These numbers a really a joke. 105 new cases out of how many test? Conditions of those that died?

[Bill Robertson]

I just read a story on KOCO’s site about pastors being upset about Gov Stitt talking about churches reopening May 3 and that being too soon. If a pastor thinks that’s too soon don’t open. If a member doesn’t feel safe yet don’t go. I’m thinking we’re in for a few weeks/months of a range of everything from protests or worse demanding things open back up to “It’s too soon, you can’t open up yet!”, it’ll be disastrous. It’s going to be interesting.

[RustytheBailiff]

These numbers a really a joke. 105 new cases out of how many test? Conditions of those that died?

What an insensitive remark. The condition of those that died is that they are no longer breathing.

[rezman]

I think people might be fine with it if we were guaranteed that the Rockefellian Barcodes would go away at some point. Problem is, you can't give a government (even an alleged democratic one) a fun, new power and expect the government to just give it back once the crisis has passed.

We would be letting the Genie out of the proverbial bottle.

You can also look at it this way. You can’t give up your freedoms and expect the government to give them back to you.

[Plutonic Panda]

I just read a story on KOCO’s site about pastors being upset about Gov Stitt talking about churches reopening May 3 and that being too soon. If a pastor thinks that’s too soon don’t open. If a member doesn’t feel safe yet don’t go. I’m thinking we’re in for a few weeks/months of a range of everything from protests or worse demanding things open back up to “It’s too soon, you can’t open up yet!”, it’ll be disastrous. It’s going to be interesting.

So don’t go. If the pastors don’t want to perform a service then they don’t have to. At some point we need to start opening the economy back up and soon for those who are done watching the economy sink further and further.

I am seeing story after story about businesses that are on the brink of closing permanently. How many are being over dramatic or could easily reopen varies to the same degree that piece by KOCO selecting only pastors that don’t want to reopen so quick. Anecdotally, I personally know a handful and several of my friends are ready to start preaching in person services again. If you are worried about the virus then stay inside. Why do you have to force everyone to do it with you?

The virus is serious yes and I understand it. Keep concerts, fairs, festivals, etc. closed until 2021. Keep schools closed until the fall. Open everything else back up. This is ridiculous.

[HangryHippo]

Forgive me, but what the hell do churches have to do with opening the economy back up?

[TheTravellers]

... If you are worried about the virus then stay inside. Why do you have to force everyone to do it with you? ...

Because of the high contagion factor of this virus.

[Plutonic Panda]

Because of the high contagion factor of this virus.

I get that but there are other factors like it not affecting 80 percent of people that get it. Those should be included too.

[chuck5815]

Forgive me, but what the hell do churches have to do with opening the economy back up?

There are a handful of people that make very good Money in the Church Business.

Chaucer didn’t write the Canterbury Tales for no reason.

[TheTravellers]

Was watching some Warren Zevon videos last night and came across this, great version with Neil Young, thought it was somewhat timely right now...

[dankrutka]

You can also look at it this way. You can’t give up your freedoms and expect the government to give them back to you.

Yes, you can. This is such a silly argument. The government is not trying to "take our freedoms." They're responding to a pandemic and trying to keep people from dying. There have been, and always will be, necessary trade-offs and limits to freedoms. We all make these trade-offs every. single. day. In this case, exercising "your freedoms" can cause other people to die. We all should seek to preserve important freedoms, but if you don't know the proper times to sacrifice like this pandemic or during WWII then it's more about putting individual selfishness over welfare of others.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

Some people are demanding 1 marshmallow now. The others are okay with waiting and receiving 2 marshmallows later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfo...low_experiment

[kukblue1]

What an insensitive remark. The condition of those that died is that they are no longer breathing.

Meant medical history. Only 8 people under 50 in the state of Oklahoma have died. I'm sure they know their medical history but that could be important on who it is effecting the most. I think the under 40 crowd should be out now and getting things going again. The death rate for under 40 is very very low. Go out use caution unless you have a medical condition that make you vulnerable. What is that medical condition?

[brian72]

I am about the biggest privacy/personal data advocate you’ll find. I’ve been arguing more states following the EU and California’s lead in limiting personal data extraction and tracking. And, still, I believe coronavirus tracing apps have to be part of the solution. It can save lives and businesses. It can also be built with certain limitations... thatzz so what we should fight for.

The problem is who runs the tracking part of it? The WHO? Our Goverment? When this happens the Crap will hit the fan.

[rezman]

Yes, you can. This is such a silly argument. The government is not trying to "take our freedoms." They're responding to a pandemic and trying to keep people from dying. There have been, and always will be, necessary trade-offs and limits to freedoms. We all make these trade-offs every. single. day. In this case, exercising "your freedoms" can cause other people to die. We all should seek to preserve important freedoms, but if you don't know the proper times to sacrifice like this pandemic or during WWII then it's more about putting individual selfishness over welfare of others.

My statement stands. But I have to agree with you that we ALL have to make certain sacrifices to beat this together. That doesn’t mean we have to give up our freedoms. Just curtail how we do things for a while. My parents were survivors of the Great Depression, and WWII. I heard their stories and saw their frugalness as a result, so yes. What you say is true.