Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[AP]

Agree Agree Agree. I'm for everyone having a card that you must show that you have been tested and have the antibodies in your system. Even check it once a month and get another card. You must show your card to enter a store or business or go back to work. I'm sure people will have fake cards though that's the problem with that i guess.

China is doing this with barcodes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hnk/index.html

[chuck5815]

China is doing this with barcodes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hnk/index.html

That is some serious Rockefeller type ****, and I'm not cool with any part of it.

[PhiAlpha]

Originally Posted by kukblue1
Agree Agree Agree. I'm for everyone having a card that you must show that you have been tested and have the antibodies in your system. Even check it once a month and get another card. You must show your card to enter a store or business or go back to work. I'm sure people will have fake cards though that's the problem with that i guess.

China is doing this with barcodes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...hnk/index.html

I just don't see any situation in which something like that, any kind of tracking app, or system that will be seen as a restriction on freedom or invasion on privacy will ever be widely accepted or adopted here. I sure as hell know I don't want anything like that on my phone and would scream from the rooftops if I wasn't allowed to enter a store or anything else because I HADN'T contracted the virus. F*** anything like that.

[TheTravellers]

I just don't see any situation in which something like that, any kind of tracking app, or system that will be seen as a restriction on freedom or invasion on privacy will ever be widely accepted or adopted here. I sure as hell know I don't want anything like that on my phone and would scream from the rooftops if I wasn't allowed to enter a store or anything else because I HADN'T contracted the virus. F*** anything like that.

Are you on board with everybody being tested (possibly multiple times, and possibly for both the virus and antibodies), though?

[Canoe]

Agree Agree Agree. I'm for everyone having a card that you must show that you have been tested and have the antibodies in your system. Even check it once a month and get another card. You must show your card to enter a store or business or go back to work. I'm sure people will have fake cards though that's the problem with that i guess.

On another note wow traffic was bad today. People are out spending that money already. Don't be giving it to the big companies support places that have been close for weeks now/ Whataburger on council had about 11 cars in drive last night at 11:30 at night.

What about people who do not have pockets. Maybe an armband or lanyard?

[TheTravellers]

Yes, we need more education on how to properly wear a mask so people understand that you still need to avoid touching your face and the mask. That can be done though. ...

You sure about that, lol?

https://thechive.com/2020/04/16/peop...ion-30-photos/

[AP]

I just don't see any situation in which something like that, any kind of tracking app, or system that will be seen as a restriction on freedom or invasion on privacy will ever be widely accepted or adopted here. I sure as hell know I don't want anything like that on my phone and would scream from the rooftops if I wasn't allowed to enter a store or anything else because I HADN'T contracted the virus. F*** anything like that.

Agreed. I'm actually surprised to see so many Americans advocating for this.

[chuck5815]

Agreed. I'm actually surprised to see so many Americans advocating for this.

I think people might be fine with it if we were guaranteed that the Rockefellian Barcodes would go away at some point. Problem is, you can't give a government (even an alleged democratic one) a fun, new power and expect the government to just give it back once the crisis has passed.

We would be letting the Genie out of the proverbial bottle.

[brian72]

Mark of the Beast.

[jerrywall]

You sure about that, lol?

https://thechive.com/2020/04/16/peop...ion-30-photos/

Wait... #4. Canadian paper money melts?

[AP]

Yep. It's made of plastic.

[PhiAlpha]

Are you on board with everybody being tested (possibly multiple times, and possibly for both the virus and antibodies), though?

For multiple tests, who's paying for it? I'm fine with everyone getting tested multiple times voluntarily and I think enough tests should be available so that anyone that wants one/needs one can get it done but I don't think being tested should be required by the government (except maybe for state and government employees). If a company wants to require it before allowing you back to work...go for it. If hospitals and long-term care facilities want to require that you be tested...sure. If/when a vaccine is developed...apply it in the same way that mandatory vaccinations are now...it's required to go to school, etc. Otherwise treat it like the flu shot and highly encourage people to get it...I think most people will happily volunteer to get it after all this.

[Teo9969]

What about people who do not have pockets. Maybe an armband or lanyard?

[TheTravellers]

Yep. It's made of plastic.

That one was puzzling to me too, didn't have the impetus to google it, thanks!

[Teo9969]

I think people might be fine with it if we were guaranteed that the Rockefellian Barcodes would go away at some point. Problem is, you can't give a government (even an alleged democratic one) a fun, new power and expect the government to just give it back once the crisis has passed.

We would be letting the Genie out of the proverbial bottle.

It would have to be on a government issued device that gets turned in once all of this is over. An individual would bee free to never obtain the device, but exercising that freedom would limit the individual (similar to REAL ID) from certain governmental buildings etc. Private businesses would have the right to participate or take their own precautions, most businesses would likely participate.

All the things we're going to be debating to manage the aftermath of this crisis are going to show just why our reaction to this was so delayed in the first place. Democracies don't really handle crises well and our federal republic makes it even that much more difficult.

[TheTravellers]

For multiple tests, who's paying for it? I'm fine with everyone getting tested multiple times voluntarily and I think enough tests should be available so that anyone that wants one/needs one can get it done but I don't think being tested should be required by the government (except maybe for state and government employees). If a company wants to require it before allowing you back to work...go for it. If hospitals and long-term care facilities want to require that you be tested...sure. If/when a vaccine is developed...apply it in the same way that mandatory vaccinations are now...it's required to go to school, etc. Otherwise treat it like the flu shot and highly encourage people to get it...I think most people will happily volunteer to get it after all this.

Don't know who would pay for it, I'm not the one that would implement it, I'll leave that up to the smart people. Seriously, though, yeah, details would need to be worked out. I believe there are countries (Australia, for one) that are implementing testing at no cost, and either their national health care systems or insurance is paying.

And yes, infringement on our liberties is likely to be a cause testing won't be implemented as mandatory, but if only 1/3 of the population gets tested, would you feel comfortable walking back into a 3/4 full restaurant not knowing who has it, who's had it, who's had it and won't get it again (premature on that point, we don't know if having antibodies confers immunity yet)? Wonder if private businesses would require people to show that they've been tested in order to enter (or movie theaters or The Criterion or Chesapeake)? Would that be a good PR thing or a bad one (either "Hey, if I go to this concert, I can be pretty sure there's not tons of the virus floating around in here" or "I'm never going to go there again, how dare they ask me to show if I've been tested")?

Testing and vaccines need to go hand-in-hand for the foreseeable future, though - *tons* more need to be tested, and as many as can get the vaccine when it's available need to get it (mandatory for school-age kids and very, very, very, very highly encouraged for *everybody*, not just the elderly and immunocompromised).

[Canoe]

And yes, infringement on our liberties is likely to be a cause testing won't be implemented as mandatory, but if only 1/3 of the population gets tested, would you feel comfortable walking back into a 3/4 full restaurant not knowing who has it, who's had it, who's had it and won't get it again (premature on that point, we don't know if having antibodies confers immunity yet)? Wonder if private businesses would require people to show that they've been tested in order to enter (or movie theaters or The Criterion or Chesapeake)? Would that be a good PR thing or a bad one (either "Hey, if I go to this concert, I can be pretty sure there's not tons of the virus floating around in here" or "I'm never going to go there again, how dare they ask me to show if I've been tested")?

Here is the problem... It will become political and half of the customers will be offended either way. The businesses are in a catch 2020.

[kukblue1]

Don't know who would pay for it, I'm not the one that would implement it, I'll leave that up to the smart people. Seriously, though, yeah, details would need to be worked out. I believe there are countries (Australia, for one) that are implementing testing at no cost, and either their national health care systems or insurance is paying.

And yes, infringement on our liberties is likely to be a cause testing won't be implemented as mandatory, but if only 1/3 of the population gets tested, would you feel comfortable walking back into a 3/4 full restaurant not knowing who has it, who's had it, who's had it and won't get it again (premature on that point, we don't know if having antibodies confers immunity yet)? Wonder if private businesses would require people to show that they've been tested in order to enter (or movie theaters or The Criterion or Chesapeake)? Would that be a good PR thing or a bad one (either "Hey, if I go to this concert, I can be pretty sure there's not tons of the virus floating around in here" or "I'm never going to go there again, how dare they ask me to show if I've been tested")?

Testing and vaccines need to go hand-in-hand for the foreseeable future, though - *tons* more need to be tested, and as many as can get the vaccine when it's available need to get it (mandatory for school-age kids and very, very, very, very highly encouraged for *everybody*, not just the elderly and immunocompromised).

As much as it would be an infringement having to show you been tested I think more people would be willing to do so than not. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/spo...lable/2304452/
It would be better for business i'm sure.

[Jersey Boss]

Mark of the Beast.

[Bill Robertson]

Just a card I wouldn’t have a problem with. I have a card that says I can operate a motor vehicle, one that says I can enter the fed govt facility where I work, one that says I can be on the WRWA grounds, one that says I can do electrical work, one that says I can install and service alarm systems, and probably a couple more I’m forgetting. What’s one more for a noble cause of trying to keep people safe.

[jn1780]

Immunity cards will just encourage people to get infected on purpose. Especially the more desperate they become. Its silly argument anyway, it would take a long time to build out that infrastructure. Want to know when the lockdowns end? When the unemployment checks start bouncing. You can't print food, doctors, police, etc. Italy and Spain are slowing opening up their economies already. You can't tell they are anywhere close to meeting the criteria. Their starting to get desperate.

[mugofbeer]

What about people who do not have pockets. Maybe an armband or lanyard?

They're going to take our precious bodily fluids!

[Teo9969]

Here is the problem... It will become political and half of the customers will be offended either way. The businesses are in a catch 2020.

I'd prefer to stay away from catching and 2020, thank you kindly.

[PhiAlpha]

Immunity cards will just encourage people to get infected on purpose. Especially the more desperate they become. Its silly argument anyway, it would take a long time to build out that infrastructure. Want to know when the lockdowns end? When the unemployment checks start bouncing. You can't print food, doctors, police, etc. Italy and Spain are slowing opening up their economies already. You can't tell they are anywhere close to meeting the criteria. Their starting to get desperate.

Yeah...people will start rioting if we get to that point. The protests are already starting and its only going to get worse the longer we go without a definitive timeline and the more desperate people get.

[mugofbeer]

Immunity cards will just encourage people to get infected on purpose. Especially the more desperate they become. Its silly argument anyway, it would take a long time to build out that infrastructure. Want to know when the lockdowns end? When the unemployment checks start bouncing. You can't print food, doctors, police, etc. Italy and Spain are slowing opening up their economies already. You can't tell they are anywhere close to meeting the criteria. Their starting to get desperate.

Hey, if treatments are out there to keep the patient from dying, it may be better to go ahead and get it. Its like chicken pox, measles and mumps when l was a kid - one of my siblings got it so my Mom had her infect the rest of us so we'd all be sick at once.