Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[brian72]

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[brian72]

Updated for Wed:

It says there is 510 hospitalized. Shouldn't it say what the Oklahoma state dept. of health has currently on their website? Tell me if I'm wrong, but it says there is currently hospitalized 179 (107 in ICU) as of April 14th. I'm guessing most of the 510 have been released and others sadly have passed away.

[Pete]

It says there is 510 hospitalized. Shouldn't it say what the Oklahoma state dept. of health has currently on their website? Tell if I'm wrong, but it says there is currently hospitalized 179 (107) in ICU as of April 14th.

The numbers in the spreadsheet are cumulative totals from here: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

[brian72]

The numbers in the spreadsheet are cumulative totals from here: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Thanks

[dankrutka]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/n...rew-cuomo.html

Is there any *scientific* evidence that homemade or surgical masks stop the spread of coronavirus? Last I heard, they *may* stop 3% of particles/droplets (and pretty much none of the actual virus itself since it's so much smaller than the holes in, much less around the masks).

In short, I believe so.

"Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired" by Zeynep Tufekci

...of course masks work — maybe not perfectly and not all to the same degree, but they provide some protection. Their use has always been advised as part of the standard response to being around infected people, especially for people who may be vulnerable. World Health Organization officials wear masks during their news briefings... It is of course true that masks don’t work perfectly, that they don’t replace hand-washing and social distancing, and that they work better if they fit properly. And of course, surgical masks (the disposable type that surgeons wear) don’t filter out small viral particles the way medical-grade respirator masks rated N95 and above do. However, even surgical masks protect a bit more than not wearing masks at all. We know from flu research that mask-wearing can help decrease transmission rates along with frequent hand-washing and social-distancing. Now that we are facing a respirator mask shortage, the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is recommending that surgical masks are “an acceptable alternative” for health care workers — again, obviously because some protection, even if imperfect, is better than none.

She provides a lot more reasons and hyperlinks in the article, but the short answer seems to be, yes. Masks help at least some if you going to be around other people.

Ed Yong argues that it's more complex and sites numerous studies. I've found Tufekci's arguments sound from the beginning.

[brian72]

The numbers in the spreadsheet are cumulative totals from here: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Thanks

[Bill Robertson]

I’m by far no expert but I look at any mask like this. The germ and carrier might be smaller than the openings in the material but still have to “find” the openings without getting caught by a thread. Stand 10 feet from a chain link fence and try to randomly throw ping pong balls through the openings. They’re plenty small enough to fit through but the vast majority won’t get through.

[Bill Robertson]

The numbers in the spreadsheet are cumulative totals from here: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Except for studying the spread and other academic uses I don’t understand why cumulative is so important as to publish it everywhere instead of current. If health facility and health supplies availability is the most important aspect of controlling the spread then it seems to me that current numbers are way more important than cumulative.

[Pete]

Except for studying the spread and other academic uses I don’t understand why cumulative is so important as to publish it everywhere instead of current. If health facility and health supplies availability is the most important aspect of controlling the spread then it seems to me that current numbers are way more important than cumulative.

The other numbers weren't available until recently and thus you can't create a trend report. Also, trying to include every little detail does not work when posting a graphic image on social media.

It's not meant to be comprehensive and be everything to everyone. But there is value at looking at some high-level trends over several weeks.

[kukblue1]

People are starting to get antsy. They now have money in their accounts again and they are going to start going out more. Whether it drive-thru, Lowes, Home Depot who knows but that scares me. People think we have flatten the curve. Maybe we have but this is far far far from being over with.

[Pete]

^

Yeah, 2-3 weeks is a fun little vacation of sorts but few people are used to being home so much and being relatively idle.

I'm really starting to get itchy, especially because I derive energy from interacting with others.

[PhiAlpha]

^

Yeah, 2-3 weeks is a fun little vacation of sorts but few people are used to being home so much and being relatively idle.

I'm really starting to get itchy, especially because I derive energy from interacting with others.

I feel you 100%. Going completely stir crazy.

[jccouger]

[Teo9969]

In short, I believe so.

"Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired" by Zeynep Tufekci



She provides a lot more reasons and hyperlinks in the article, but the short answer seems to be, yes. Masks help at least some if you going to be around other people.

Ed Yong argues that it's more complex and sites numerous studies. I've found Tufekci's arguments sound from the beginning.

I didn't read every line of these articles, but none of what I read seems to have answered TheTravellers question. The question was if homemade masks are effective, and everything seems to point to the need that they at least be surgical masks. Here's a great video showing homemade masks efficacy:

https://www.elperiodico.com/es/socie...76?jwsource=cl

Not to say a better one can't be made than what was presented, but there has to be more effort than cutting up some fabric and fashioning a mask.

[kukblue1]

People are starting to get antsy. They now have money in their accounts again and they are going to start going out more. Whether it drive-thru, Lowes, Home Depot who knows but that scares me. People think we have flatten the curve. Maybe we have but this is far far far from being over with.

Friend Message me Braums they work at over 450 cars by 6pm that is really really really busy. It's fairly safe to do drive thru but there still a risk there. Handling of the cups, bags, money, credit cards, straws, ketchup packets. Not to mention your coming close to 6 feet when they are handing your food or taking money out the window. Your touching at lot of things if your not careful.

[jonny d]

People are starting to get antsy. They now have money in their accounts again and they are going to start going out more. Whether it drive-thru, Lowes, Home Depot who knows but that scares me. People think we have flatten the curve. Maybe we have but this is far far far from being over with.

Then I have some very bad news for you - this won't end even after we get a vaccine. It will be like the flu, since this virus, like influenza, mutates.

[dankrutka]

New scientific study just out that further confirms the need for masks if near people at all: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1

[catch22]

I feel you 100%. Going completely stir crazy.

Total opposite. Being around people make me feel drained and need of plenty of time to recharge. In short, I am loving this social distancing, however I do find some pleasure in shorter interactions with people. Like occasionally meeting for a drink for an hour or so. Other than that, leave me at home or left to be out and about in solitude. Camping or biking alone. YMMV

[AP]

I feel you 100%. Going completely stir crazy.

Same. I love my wife and son but I need interaction with others. That's why I could never wfh fulltime. I thrive on interacting with my colleagues.

[AP]

Does this happen during flu season? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/n...me-deaths.html

[jerrywall]

Total opposite. Being around people make me feel drained and need of plenty of time to recharge. In short, I am loving this social distancing, however I do find some pleasure in shorter interactions with people. Like occasionally meeting for a drink for an hour or so. Other than that, leave me at home or left to be out and about in solitude. Camping or biking alone. YMMV

Heh, I'm the same way. It's like "social distancing? I call this Tuesday!"

My wife and my oldest son on the other hand are about to go stir crazy. It doesn't help that my son hasn't seen his girlfriend in a few weeks now.

[Pete]

Numbers just updated for Thursday:

[Rover]

Does this happen during flu season? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/n...me-deaths.html

If the flu was way more deadly like the novel caronavirus is, then it probably would.

[jerrywall]

If the flu was way more deadly like the novel caronavirus is, then it probably would.

No probably to it. There are stories every year about nursing homes getting hit hard with the flu. It seems like there was one last year (or the year before) in Nebraska that had to shut down temporarily, and I know it's common to have a massive flu outbreak at a long term care facility (which brings up whole issues about if changes need to be made). Luckily, as you said, the flu is not as deadly so it doesn't have the impact. It's typically a few deaths and a high infected rate.

[Teo9969]

Does this happen during flu season? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/n...me-deaths.html

Geeeeezzzz.

I think this is my biggest problem with how the government has handled all of this: We've known for plenty of time that the vast majority of people who will die from this virus and who would cause strain on the health system were people over 60. No matter to what degree you think day to day "normal" life should be shut down or not, I think we can all agree that government massively failed to put both simple and strategic protections in place for the elderly.

I could write paragraphs on different things we could have done to limit the exposure to the elderly, but ultimately, that was the president's, congress's, governors', and mayors' jobs to lead on that front. Nursing homes having these kinds of body counts shows the ugliest side of our response to this whole thing.