Covid-19 Economic Impact

[BBatesokc]

I'm curious. When the day comes the Shelter in Place is lifted and, through whatever means, the virus seems under control, how are some of you "forever" changing the living habits you had prior to COVID?

To me, the biggest takeaway is that personal health and financial planning should always be top priority. Those in really good health and with a good savings are going to weather this much better than those lacking in those two areas.

[Rover]

Purposefully causing it...probably not. But they definitely shoulder some blame for willfully neglecting to regulate their wildlife meat industry and the wet markets through which they sell those products. Hopefully all of this leads the Chinese government to add regulations that at least require a more sanitary environment to make something like this less likely to occur in the future.

And yet, it appears they have controlled it better than us.

Has it actually been determined their wildlife meat markets were the cause of the virus at ground zero, and the initial spread of it? I know that was the narrative earlier but I have missed it if the reputable health organizations have identified that as the cause. Who determined this origin?

See this scientific, not political explanation: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
In it we see no such credit for meat markets or that China didn’t inform world health officials. We have to quit getting caught up in the bs.

[PhiAlpha]

And yet, it appears they have controlled it better than us.

Has it actually been determined their wildlife meat markets were the cause of the virus at ground zero, and the initial spread of it? I know that was the narrative earlier but I have missed it if the reputable health organizations have identified that as the cause. Who determined this origin?

See this scientific, not political explanation: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0317175442.htm
In it we see no such credit for meat markets or that China didn’t inform world health officials. We have to quit getting caught up in the bs.

That article doesn’t say anything about where it was transmitted, just that it was likely transmitted from a bat to something else and then to a human. It also doesn’t dispute that world officials weren’t notified as early as they could’ve been. Almost everything that isn’t from a scientific journal that is allowed to speculate indicates that a wet market in Wuhan was the likely source. They are also the most often cited potential source of animal to human virus transmission in nearly every documentary or article written about pandemics prior to this outbreak...they were also the origin for SARS. Time will tell but regardless...there should be regulations in place to make them more sanitary to help prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Disclaimer: I am not an infectious disease specialist and I wasn’t allowed to stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Teo9969]

And yet, it appears they have controlled it better than us.

Has it actually been determined their wildlife meat markets were the cause of the virus at ground zero, and the initial spread of it? I know that was the narrative earlier but I have missed it if the reputable health organizations have identified that as the cause. Who determined this origin?

See this scientific, not political explanation: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0317175442.htm
In it we see no such credit for meat markets or that China didn’t inform world health officials. We have to quit getting caught up in the bs.

Of course China has controlled this better than we have. They're not facing an internal fight against the guiding principles of their society.

You do some of the things talked about in this article* which surely have helped their pronounced containment, then you would spark a war against the state in a majority of Western countries.

*"This Article": https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/b...veillance.html

[jonny d]

And yet, it appears they have controlled it better than us.

Has it actually been determined their wildlife meat markets were the cause of the virus at ground zero, and the initial spread of it? I know that was the narrative earlier but I have missed it if the reputable health organizations have identified that as the cause. Who determined this origin?

See this scientific, not political explanation: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0317175442.htm
In it we see no such credit for meat markets or that China didn’t inform world health officials. We have to quit getting caught up in the bs.

I have very little belief in the # of cases or deaths they report. The government does not want any negativity coming out about them, and since they control a lot of the media, I think it is sketchy at best. Not saying the US has handled it properly, but if you told me to take the China # times 5, I would take the over, in terms of true cases.

[Rover]

I have very little belief in the # of cases or deaths they report. The government does not want any negativity coming out about them, and since they control a lot of the media, I think it is sketchy at best. Not saying the US has handled it properly, but if you told me to take the China # times 5, I would take the over, in terms of true cases.

And you know this how?

[mugofbeer]

Agreed and also never forget China is a totalitarian country with virtually complete control of their society. Don't forget the video's of Chinese police beating people out on the streets. Is that what anyone thinks should happen here?

[Rover]

That article doesn’t say anything about where it was transmitted, just that it was likely transmitted from a bat to something else and then to a human. It also doesn’t dispute that world officials weren’t notified as early as they could’ve been. Almost everything that isn’t from a scientific journal that is allowed to speculate indicates that a wet market in Wuhan was the likely source. They are also the most often cited potential source of animal to human virus transmission in nearly every documentary or article written about pandemics prior to this outbreak...they were also the origin for SARS. Time will tell but regardless...there should be regulations in place to make them more sanitary to help prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Disclaimer: I am not an infectious disease specialist and I wasn’t allowed to stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Speculation.. Non scientific. So, basically opinion and talking points.

[mugofbeer]

Speculation.. Non scientific. So, basically opinion and talking points.

No one knows specifically and exactly where it came from but this is the widely accepted belief that it came from bats with the market the likely transmition source.

[PhiAlpha]

Speculation.. Non scientific. So, basically opinion and talking points.

And yet plenty of evidence that both were possible and there’s been nothing to disprove it yet. They are called theories.

[jonny d]

And you know this how?

First 5 words of my post. I have no proof, just my opinion. China has lied before, what is to stop them from lying again?

[mugofbeer]

First 5 words of my post. I have no proof, just my opinion. China has lied before, what is to stop them from lying again?

No argument here. Nothing they say can be believed.

[Greggo71]

This is playing out in the standard message board fashion (not just here): a bunch of non-experts arguing back and forth using regurgitated information on topics they don't actually understand. It's clear that many are just trying to convince themselves of their own arguments but don't have the self awareness to admit it. This is going to be a long month (at least).

[AP]

Are you sure they are non-experts? I'm POSITIVE we have the leading economists in the field here on this board. In a couple of months, our entire democracy will erode and we will be living in a Mad Max world, or so I'm told.

[emtefury]

This is playing out in the standard message board fashion (not just here): a bunch of non-experts arguing back and forth using regurgitated information on topics they don't actually understand. It's clear that many are just trying to convince themselves of their own arguments but don't have the self awareness to admit it. This is going to be a long month (at least).

This is no different than an in person conversation.

[catch22]

Are you sure they are non-experts? I'm POSITIVE we have the leading economists in the field here on this board. In a couple of months, our entire democracy will erode and we will be living in a Mad Max world, or so I'm told.

I have several large speakers and plenty of chrome spray paint. Witness me.

[Greggo71]

This is no different than an in person conversation.

No offense intended but if you think message board debate is the same as in person conversation, you must be a blast to chat with

[HangryHippo]

No offense intended but if you think message board debate is the same as in person conversation, you must be a blast to chat with

My thoughts exactly.

[Jersey Boss]

First 5 words of my post. I have no proof, just my opinion. China has lied before, what is to stop them from lying again?

While China has lied before, so has the USA head of state. In fact the lies out of the WH are just as if not more numerous than the ones from Bejing.

[PhiAlpha]

While China has lied before, so has the USA head of state. In fact the lies out of the WH are just as if not more numerous than the ones from Bejing.

Um...no.

[gopokes88]

Are you sure they are non-experts? I'm POSITIVE we have the leading economists in the field here on this board. In a couple of months, our entire democracy will erode and we will be living in a Mad Max world, or so I'm told.

70 f*cking million unemployed might do the trick.

At least we won’t get the nasty cold till later cause “flatten the curve”

https://twitter.com/jordanschachtel/...071711747?s=21

[gopokes88]

The Fed and US govt doesn’t have the ammo to fight that. They simply don’t.

That’s a more severe number than the Great Depression.

[GoGators]

70 f*cking million unemployed might do the trick.

At least we won’t get the nasty cold till later cause “flatten the curve”

https://twitter.com/jordanschachtel/...071711747?s=21

That would put the unemployment rate somewhere around 40%.

[mugofbeer]

This is playing out in the standard message board fashion (not just here): a bunch of non-experts arguing back and forth using regurgitated information on topics they don't actually understand. It's clear that many are just trying to convince themselves of their own arguments but don't have the self awareness to admit it. This is going to be a long month (at least).

So join in and socially regurgitate with us. What we're doing is conversing to pass the time. Otherwise, you can always find reruns of Gilligans Island on cable or you can find a deck of cards and play solitaire.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

So is everyone in agreement - the new normal has set in:

1) Shelter in Place will last another 6-18 months

What we are waiting for :

a)herd immunity
b)vaccine