Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[BBatesokc]

"Everyone" includes you apparently but not really everyone else. Pick your level of care for yourself and others, become a superinfector if you please, or somewhere in between. it's a free country.

As opposed to you (the general public) obsessing over DIY masks that do no good, totally ignoring eye protection, and an unrealistic expectation that everyone can stay home indefinitely until this is over (or we are over). Face it folks. We touch lots of stuff and breath a lot of air. You can delay the inevitable if you choose, but we already have hospitals begging for more supplies when they are not even actively treating infected people. I choose plan B.

[David]

This thread right now:

[BBatesokc]

This thread right now:

Cute meme. Too bad you can't actually formulate your own words.

[Jersey Boss]

The reality of Oklahoma numbers do not seem to jive with this approach.
As of yesterday 67 cases.
18-49. 31 cases
50-64. 21 cases
65+. 13 cases.

[David]

Cute meme. Too bad you can't actually formulate your own words.

Hit a little personally, did it?

[Greggo71]

The reality of Oklahoma numbers do not seem to jive with this approach.
As of yesterday 67 cases.
18-49. 31 cases
50-64. 21 cases
65+. 13 cases.

In what way do you mean? - nobody said all age groups couldn't contract the virus, only that the effects on those younger than 65 has shown to be generally mild except in situations with complicating factors - what are you trying to show with those numbers?

[Jersey Boss]

What age groups would be more likely to be transmitters

[catcherinthewry]

the tide is starting to quickly shift this way

Maybe in your world. I'm going to do my part by staying at home and not catching the corona virus and if I have been infected by not passing it on to others.

[BoulderSooner]

This thread right now:

that is what we (as a society) do each and every day both before this pandemic and it is what we will do after this has passed ..

almost 7500 people a day die in this country alone and a huge portion of those are preventable ...

we (collective) choose not to

[David]

The reality of this is that when applied to enough people, aka the full population of the US if we all just go back to work without a care, this will absolutely kill and/or hospitalize plenty of people younger than 70 and quite possibly in enough numbers to overstress the health care system just like we've been trying to avoid this entire time.

[catcherinthewry]

The reality of this is that when applied to enough people, aka the full population of the US if we all just go back to work without a care, this will absolutely kill and/or hospitalize plenty of people younger than 70 and quite possibly in enough numbers to overstress the health care system just like we've been trying to avoid this entire time.

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not. How about we at least wait until the new infections plateau?

[BoulderSooner]

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not.

if the "sacrifices" go for too long they will also be for not

[Ginkasa]

There's no easy answer. No course of action results in everything just immediately going back to the way it was before. If we grind everything to a halt the economy suffers, people lose jobs and go hungry and we face a years long depression we haven't seen in nearly a century. But we've gone through that kind of thing before and some people will be worse off but humanity will go on.

Or we maintain what seem to be sensible precautions but otherwise go back to business as usual and face thousands of ill and infected overwhelming our medical infrastructure not just endangering the hold and previously ill, but also anyone who encounters a non-covid medical emergency but can't get treated because the hospitals are full and medical professionals fall sick as well. If some people die then they die, but the strong and healthy will (mostly) survive and humanity will go on.

There are tough decisions ahead (and some behind) and there are no right answers. All we can do is what we think is best for the most people, but its a rough road either way and we likely won't ever know if it was the best one in the end.

[Pete]

Monday update:

[jdizzle]

Only 15 hospitalized is reassuring. Granted, I think that will go up. But hospitalization does not automatically mean life-threatening.

[FighttheGoodFight]

I wish they broke down 18-49 more. That is a large group.

[king183]

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

[aegisdodd]

This virus is bad news and should be treated as such.

Read this.

Summary of the article: Strong coronavirus measures today should only last a few weeks, there shouldn’t be a big peak of infections afterwards, and it can all be done for a reasonable cost to society, saving millions of lives along the way. If we don’t take these measures, tens of millions will be infected, many will die, along with anybody else that requires intensive care, because the healthcare system will have collapsed.

[PhiAlpha]

Let's not undo the good that our sacrifices have brought about by ending those sacrifices too soon. Then they will have all been for not. How about we at least wait until the new infections plateau?

and what happens after new infections plateau and everyone is released back into the wild...they will just go up again. We are delaying the inevitable but hopefully a few weeks will buy time to produce more ventilators and determine whether some of these potential treatments work. For the economy’s sake, the quarantine absolutely can not go on for more than another month or so.

[BoulderSooner]

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

testing has very litte to do with those going to the hospital

[kukblue1]

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

Truth I also know 3 people that probably have it but not getting tested. Coughing like mad but they have no fever. If we keep going by just the numbers we are in trouble until everyone can get tested that have mild symptoms. 80% only show mild symptoms. So 10,000 people in the metro have it but only 2,000 will be tested. So then the news comes on and says only 2,000 people have it in the metro. SMH

[d-usa]

The DIY masks help extend the life of real masks worn underneath, that’s why hospital are utilizing them.

[emtefury]

This virus is bad news and should be treated as such.

Read this.

Summary of the article: Strong coronavirus measures today should only last a few weeks, there shouldn’t be a big peak of infections afterwards, and it can all be done for a reasonable cost to society, saving millions of lives along the way. If we don’t take these measures, tens of millions will be infected, many will die, along with anybody else that requires intensive care, because the healthcare system will have collapsed.

This is a an estimate, just like everyone is estimating and projecting. So far estimates have not come to fruition. This was supposed to be a 3.4% death rate according to the WHO. It is in the low 1%. If more were tested with mild symptoms then, the death rate would be even lower.

[SoonerDave]

Just want to reiterate the point others have made that these numbers from the Health Department are meaningless until more testing is done. I have three colleagues who are exhibiting the symptoms of the virus right now, but have not and will not be tested because their doctors say they don’t have yet have enough tests and their symptoms are relatively mild at this point. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t, but they don’t show up in these numbers, and there are many more just like them out there.

That's not quite true. They were much more meaningful when they were accompanied by the new daily *negative* numbers. That let us measure the day-to-day delta of new postiives versus all completed tests. If, for example, they had those 14 new positives in, say, 20 returned tests total, that's not good. If, on the other hand, those 14 positives were amid 150 completed tests, that would continue to show that the more restrictive testing is still indicating 90%+ *don't* have it. The loss of that number is important.

[Zuplar]

That's not quite true. They were much more meaningful when they were accompanied by the new daily *negative* numbers. That let us measure the day-to-day delta of new postiives versus all completed tests. If, for example, they had those 14 new positives in, say, 20 returned tests total, that's not good. If, on the other hand, those 14 positives were amid 150 completed tests, that would continue to show that the more restrictive testing is still indicating 90%+ *don't* have it. The loss of that number is important.

This is everything. This is the reason comparing numbers to states like New York who have ramped up testing a bunch is not a fair comparison.