Covid-19 in OKC (coronavirus)

[kukblue1]

Call 911 if you see a business open for inside business other than carry out.

I really don't understand this. So what if the go sit in the dining area just keep 6 feet away from others. They have already been in the store standing in line for 5 minutes or wait on their food for 5 minutes or at the cause of Braums cause it was busy both happen and they were all in there for 10 minutes. I know other places have closed off their lobbies all together. Mcdonalds, taco mayo, chick-fil-a are 3 i know for sure. Drive thru only.

[Plutonic Panda]

Call 911 if you see a business open for inside business other than carry out.

Thank you for the morning laugh. Normally I would say I hope you aren’t serious but it’s funnier if you are serious. Good stuff.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

Why does “flattening the curve” help? Why shouldn’t we all just get infected and get it over with? Because we don’t have enough hospital beds or equipment to treat a massive uptick in cases. We don’t have enough protective gear for health care providers. If we can slow down the infection rate, as people get well (or die), it frees up medical equipment for the next wave. It allows manufacturers time to produce more equipment, drugs and supplies. It gives us time to see if treatments they’re trying in other countries work. It gives us time to
Work on a vaccine. Having adequate protective gear means you are more likely to have doctors or nurses well enough and awake enough to care for you when if you or a loved one gets sick enough to need medical care. Here in the US we’re seeing a fair number of people in the 20-40 age group sick enough to require hospitalization so if you think because you’re young you’re safe, think again.

Thank you for this post. It's very well stated.

[Ginkasa]

Thank you for the morning laugh. Normally I would say I hope you aren’t serious but it’s funnier if you are serious. Good stuff.

The article she linked says exactly that, per OKCPD.

[betts]

I really don't understand this. So what if the go sit in the dining area just keep 6 feet away from others. They have already been in the store standing in line for 5 minutes or wait on their food for 5 minutes or at the cause of Braums cause it was busy both happen and they were all in there for 10 minutes. I know other places have closed off their lobbies all together. Mcdonalds, taco mayo, chick-fil-a are 3 i know for sure. Drive thru only.

Do you know that the person who sat at the table prior to you wasn’t infected? Do you know how the table was cleaned between guests? How many surfaces did you touch? Is each surface being sanitized between each contact? Did you open the door with your hands? Was it cleaned with sanitizer before you touched it and between each guest. COVID-19 can live on stainless steel for 4-6 days. Curbside pickup or drive through are far safer, but not completely safe. Luckily, heat and stomach acid seem to destroy the virus so prepared hot food shouldn’t contain the virus, but the packaging could. Cardboard seems to be a worse surface on which virus can thrive, by quite a bit over stainless steel and plastic, interestingly.

[Plutonic Panda]

The article she linked says exactly that, per OKCPD.

Okay and that makes it even funnier.

[Plutonic Panda]

Do you know that the person who sat at the table prior to you wasn’t infected? Do you know how the table was cleaned between guests? How many surfaces did you touch? Is each surface being sanitized between each contact? Did you open the door with your hands? Was it cleaned with sanitizer before you touched it and between each guest. COVID-19 can live on stainless steel for 4-6 days. Curbside pickup or drive through are far safer, but not completely safe. Luckily, heat and stomach acid seem to destroy the virus so prepared hot food shouldn’t contain the virus, but the packaging could. Cardboard seems to be a worse surface on which virus can thrive, by quite a bit over stainless steel and plastic, interestingly.

From what I’ve read, all an infected person has to do to infect someone is merely breath and the virus is airborne infecting those up to 5+ feet away. It also can linger in the air for hours and live on surfaces for days. With proper cleaning of tables I fail to see how allowing dine in would be any worse then what we are currently doing.

[Pete]

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betts is an MD; her husband too.

I think she knows what she is talking about.

[Ginkasa]

There are surely avenues of infection open, but the idea, as I understand it is to limit those avenues. Sure, some people will still probably get it from carryout or a grocery store or whatever, but it will be less people infected than if people were getting infected by those avenues and also by crowding around in a dining area or bar or movie theatre, etc.

Less people infected means less avenues of infection while means less people infected, etc. This is my understanding, but I'm not an epidemiologist or other health professional.

EDIT: Well apparently betts doesn't need my layman help.

[Plutonic Panda]

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betts is an MD; her husband too.

I think she knows what she is talking about.

Okay so I’ll just forget all of the articles I’ve read published by doctors too about a virus we know little about.

But by all means she is welcome to correct me if I’m wrong about what I said and I never stated it as fact. Just my perspective so if it’s wrong please point out what about is wrong. I don’t blindly accept what I’m told regardless of someone’s profession.

[kukblue1]

From what I’ve read, all an infected person has to do to infect someone is merely breath and the virus is airborne infecting those up to 5+ feet away. It also can linger in the air for hours and live on surfaces for days. With proper cleaning of tables I fail to see how allowing dine in would be any worse then what we are currently doing.

just on the news it can live 3 hours in the air. Plus your putting you credit card in the card reader or touching the key pad which isn't being cleaned. Money which isn't being cleaned. Your going to get a lid from the drink station which isn't being cleaned. Your touching the door handle to get in some places which isn't being cleaned. So yeah once you sit foot into a place the chances of you getting it goes up and up and up. Not being able to sit at a table is only one less things out of many that you just came in contact with. I guess what i'm saying is STAY HOME IF POSSIBLE

[Snowman]

Call 911 if you see a business open for inside business other than carry out.

It is one thing to ask for people to contact the police, but there are non emergency lines that seem more appropriate for this.

[The Shadow]

It is one thing to ask for people to contact the police, but there are non emergency lines that seem more appropriate for this.

From okc.gov...

"A violation of the proclamation’s terms would be a class “b” misdemeanor under City Code, punishable by up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $750."

I'd listen to the doctor folks.

[betts]

From what I’ve read, all an infected person has to do to infect someone is merely breath and the virus is airborne infecting those up to 5+ feet away. It also can linger in the air for hours and live on surfaces for days. With proper cleaning of tables I fail to see how allowing dine in would be any worse then what we are currently doing.

So are the tables being properly cleaned? If you watch them clean your table and the chairs with a solution containing at least 60% alcohol, as well as the doors, between each customer and you sit 6 feet away, you may be right. But I don’t feel comfortable that would happen 100%. And don’t get me started on public restrooms. Regardless, I respect Mayor Holt greatly and know he has everyone’s best interests in mind, so I wouldn’t consider disobeying his edict.

[betts]

And I would definitely stop using cash. Your card in a card reader is far safer. Tap cards are even better.

[betts]

Btw, while I am a doctor, my sister-in-law is an adult infectious disease specialist who trained under Dr. Fauci. We had a long conversation last night, and I’m simply repeating things she told me.

[BBatesokc]

And I would definitely stop using cash. Your card in a card reader is far safer. Tap cards are even better.

It has always been recommended good hygiene to wash your hands after handling currency. Same applies today. I personally have seen no need to "definitely stop using cash."

[BBatesokc]

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betts is an MD; her husband too.

I think she knows what she is talking about.

I had a very well respected Oncologist at Stephens Cancer Center tell me my cancer had metastasized from my head and neck to my heart and lungs and there was very little else that could be done for me. For 15 days I went forward thinking my time was up. Met with a thoracic surgeon to see about radical surgery and he examined me and laughed and said "You're fine." months of followup later - the 2nd doctor was right and he wasn't even a cancer doc and the cancer doc was dead wrong (pardon the pun). So, professions and labels don't always equate to the best information by themselves. Plenty of doctors out there convincing soccer moms on Facebook not to vaccinate their kids.

All of that to say, if I worried intensely about every surface I came into contact with, I'd never leave my home. Which sounds like what this doc would prefer. That's great, but I'm gonna disrupt my life as little as possible while taking great care not to come into contact with high risk individuals. But that's just me.

[mkjeeves]

It is one thing to ask for people to contact the police, but there are non emergency lines that seem more appropriate for this.

The article she quoted was about the police saying to call 911 to report.

[Plutonic Panda]

So are the tables being properly cleaned? If you watch them clean your table and the chairs with a solution containing at least 60% alcohol, as well as the doors, between each customer and you sit 6 feet away, you may be right. But I don’t feel comfortable that would happen 100%. And don’t get me started on public restrooms. Regardless, I respect Mayor Holt greatly and know he has everyone’s best interests in mind, so I wouldn’t consider disobeying his edict.

Ah well I didn’t realize you were a doctor and I do have the uttermost respect for that so I apologize for the condescending remarks I made. However the statement of call the cops on a business for letting patrons sit down did make me chuckle.

But I am being serious about my questions and not saying it in snark. So your opinion is that it is safer to ban sit down dining and letting people order to go? Why is that? The chance of spread really is that much higher?

[dankrutka]

From what I’ve read, all an infected person has to do to infect someone is merely breath and the virus is airborne infecting those up to 5+ feet away. It also can linger in the air for hours and live on surfaces for days. With proper cleaning of tables I fail to see how allowing dine in would be any worse then what we are currently doing.

The answer is within your own post. lol.

"...all an infected person has to do to infect someone is merely breath and the virus is airborne infecting those up to 5+ feet away. It also can linger in the air for hours and live on surfaces for days" = DON'T SIT AT TABLES AND DON'T SIT IN RESTAURANTS. It is safer to close them. I have been ordering to go and ordering in and I have yet to be within 10 feet of anyone except the one person who handed me my food. I then immediately washed my hands. That is dramatically more likely to curb spread than sitting in a restaurant where you're inevitably going to be close to people, touching the same things, and breathing the same air for longer periods of time.

[Plutonic Panda]

But what I’m asking is if that’s all it takes then what is the difference between ordering to go and sitting down? If distance is the issue then shut down some tables and keep a smaller number of them open for use...?

[AP]

COVID-19 Cases by County
County COVID-19 Cases by County*
Canadian 2
Cleveland 8
Custer 1
Grady 1
Jackson 1
Kay 2
Logan 1
McClain 1
Oklahoma 18
Pawnee 1
Payne 1
Stephens 1
Tulsa 5
Washington 1
Total 44

[BBatesokc]

I firmly believe a good portion of all of this "advice" "mandates" "orders" etc. is simply to make the public feel like something is being done and they can do something. As opposed to "A lot of us may die, but there is very little we can actually do about it."

[Plutonic Panda]

I firmly believe a good portion of all of this "advice" "mandates" "orders" etc. is simply to make the public feel like something is being done and they can do something. As opposed to "A lot of us may die, but there is very little we can actually do about it."

I agree there is a lot of that. I went into an eatery this morning in WeHo and you had to wash your hands before you could walk around and shop for food. While I can see the mentality behind I just fail to understand how that would prevent anyone from getting sick if I had the virus.

Now I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t wash your hands obviously.