RFP south of arena

[chuck5815]

No, you are way off course. It doesn't take a genius to see what MAPS has done for this city, and most of the citizens who aren't angry get it. That's why it passes, over and over. For once, the citizens feel like they have some influence, even if it isn't at a micromanaging level. They don't need to make boogie men and go all "power to the people" fist saluting.

I'm not disagreeing about the previous iterations of MAPS. The city needed those projects to regain its footing, and, without a doubt, they were transformative. Now, however, we appear to have run out of Big League City projects. Sprinkling a little bit of money here and a little over there might work at your average Strip Club, but it's not the sort of spending that will further elevate the city's profile. This isn't a particularly well to do city, and our major industry (O&G production) is under attack economically and politically. So it doesn't make much sense to waste what little MAPS funds we have on little league soccer fields or new horse barns, especially when the primary tenant of the soccer field has plenty of Temping Cash to build the stadium without taxpayer largesse. I suppose its okay if we keep the Thunder happy with a few MM, but we should be trying to attract new industry. Previous MAPS were successful in that regard, but this one doesn't have any projects that would be material on that front.

[chuck5815]

And if we’re going to create a number of new social programs, that increased spending should have a dedicated, permanent funding source. Makes zero sense to create a number of unfunded liabilities that are paid for with a “temporary” tax.

[Bellaboo]

Well, after paying. It's not free. (even thought there are free tickets this year floating around)

Not much is free in life, you get what you pay for more or less. And when you buy your ticket, you get to see some of the best 420 basketball players in the world.

[Bellaboo]

Wrong. You must work for Express? lol

Rover has his own very successful business. He knows how it is.

[GoGators]

And if we’re going to create a number of new social programs, that increased spending should have a dedicated, permanent funding source. Makes zero sense to create a number of unfunded liabilities that are paid for with a “temporary” tax.

What are the "number of new social programs" that maps 4 is creating?

[Rover]

I'm not disagreeing about the previous iterations of MAPS. The city needed those projects to regain its footing, and, without a doubt, they were transformative. Now, however, we appear to have run out of Big League City projects. Sprinkling a little bit of money here and a little over there might work at your average Strip Club, but it's not the sort of spending that will further elevate the city's profile. This isn't a particularly well to do city, and our major industry (O&G production) is under attack economically and politically. So it doesn't make much sense to waste what little MAPS funds we have on little league soccer fields or new horse barns, especially when the primary tenant of the soccer field has plenty of Temping Cash to build the stadium without taxpayer largesse. I suppose its okay if we keep the Thunder happy with a few MM, but we should be trying to attract new industry. Previous MAPS were successful in that regard, but this one doesn't have any projects that would be material on that front.

Don’t know about cash at strip clubs... I’ll leave that expertise to you.

Both the multi purpose outdoor field and new fairgrounds arena (don’t believe it’s horse barns) creates public facilities commensurate with a city our side (actually barely comparable facilities) and MAY lead to someone like the Funks investing a couple hundred million more to eventually attract a major soccer franchise. The facilities can host all sorts of other events like high school tournaments, concerts, etc. This spin of it being something Funk needs is ludicrous. And the us vs them mentality of common people vs elite is exacerbated my populist politics.

By the way, O&G is A major business here but we have grown past it as our lifeline. We need to keep progressing as a 21st century city that has a chance to attract people and commerce. Sometimes you have to act like the grownup you now are. That includes investment in all kinds of things like facilities for mentally and socially challenged, transportation infrastructure and public facilities.

[OkiePoke]

Not much is free in life, you get what you pay for more or less. And when you buy your ticket, you get to see some of the best 420 basketball players in the world.

I was commenting that the public can go see them play. It is a private event that requires paid admittance.

Is there a breakdown on what the Thunder pay for the leasing of CHK Arena & the practice facility? Or really, the business economics of the CHK Arena & practice facility. If those two entities are profitable, I don't think the push-back is warranted for the upgrades at all.

[Laramie]

OKC's arena was the center piece for MAPS I. The extension to finish the arena eventually paid off with Oklahoma's 1st major league sports franchise.

New NBA arenas 2010 - 2020:

2010: Orlando Amyway Center $380 million
2012: Brooklyn Barclays Center $1 billion.
2016: Sacramento Golden 1 Center $560 million.
2018: Milwaukee Fiserv Forum $525 million

If MAPS 4 passes, OKC will have a total investment of $296 million in our arena since its 2002 opening:

$90 million MAPS I
$93 million MAPS I extension
$ 9 million GO Bonds extension
$104 million MAPS IV

The arena was built for $89.5 million. When the Thunder moved to Oklahoma City in 2008, voters approved a sales tax increase that provided about $93 million to upgrade the arena to NBA specifications. Should the MAPS 4 proposal pass and the proposed improvements be made, the arena’s total cost would approach $300 million.

Source: https://gatehousenews.com/maps4/maps...life-of-arena/

[Irishman23]

Don't forget The Chase Center in San Francisco 2019 1.4 BILLION

[Laramie]

Don't forget The Chase Center in San Francisco 2019 1.4 BILLION

Thanks Irishman23:

How did I forget one the most recent and most beautiful NBA arenas built.

Good example of the stages we reach as we age. The most recent additions to our memory are the first to go down the drain.

[Bellaboo]

I was commenting that the public can go see them play. It is a private event that requires paid admittance.

Is there a breakdown on what the Thunder pay for the leasing of CHK Arena & the practice facility? Or really, the business economics of the CHK Arena & practice facility. If those two entities are profitable, I don't think the push-back is warranted for the upgrades at all.

This is a google search snippet - Huge gains economically, plus a little national if not world wide relevance, which we never had before.

'According to data provided to the Thunder by the city, each home game translates to $1.5 million in economic impact for OKC. That's almost $700 million since the team arrived in 2008. Since the Thunder arrived, downtown's residential growth has outpaced the city's as a whole. Aug 11, 2018'

[Laramie]

This is a google search snippet - Huge gains economically, plus a little national if not world wide relevance, which we never had before.

'According to data provided to the Thunder by the city, each home game translates to $1.5 million in economic impact for OKC. That's almost $700 million since the team arrived in 2008. Since the Thunder arrived, downtown's residential growth has outpaced the city's as a whole. Aug 11, 2018'

+1

[Pete]

Plans for Thunder Alley move forward

Plans for a large entertainment block directly south of Chesapeake Arena are moving forward, with revised plans being submitted for design approval.

The ownership group behind the Thunder submitted the only application for the city-owned property when a request for proposal was issued earlier in the year. Last month, the Oklahoma City Urban Renewal Authority selected the group as the conditional developer for the property.

The new plans are similar to the previous proposal but with some alterations. The design by Bockus Payne calls for an open plaza at the west end with a large basketball sculpture, a 6,000 and 10,000 square foot restaurants, a large plaza in the center and a small amount of covered surface parking on the east end.

The sculpture is planned to be a 24-foot diameter highly reflective polished stainless steel basketball held by bronze hands. In-ground LED lights will illuminate the artwork at night.

The 6,000 square foot restaurant will be a Thunder-themed sports bar with indoor and outdoor seating.

The 10,000 square foot restaurant will be full-service and casual eatery combining food, music and numerous craft beers on tap. The interior design will be industrial with exposed beams and high ceilings. The two restaurants may or may not be connected.

The plaza in the center of the block is designed to be flexible to accommodate large crowds on game days and restaurant parking otherwise. As a part of the recently-approved MAPS 4, a new southeast entrance to the arena will be constructed and immediately adjacent.

The design application states the east end of the property is very limited due to utilities and thus will be used as covered parking.

The design will be considered at a meeting next month. The original proposal also called for buying the property at a discount and receiving tax dollars from the Tax Increment Financing fund.

[Richard at Remax]

surface parking area is a tragedy

[shawnw]

Still has the parking on the corner of a major intersection which is frustrating.

The monument to the basketball gods is interesting but between it and the sputnik coming, it may seem a bit unoriginal? Not sure about the comparative scales though...

All of that said, I'm super here for the rooftop play area with retail underneath, that's a cool use of the grade change.

Edit: Whelp, that's just my eyes deceiving me, no such thing exists....

[AP]

To be frank, this is a **** proposal. It will easily pass, though.

[AP]

All of that said, I'm super here for the rooftop play area with retail underneath, that's a cool use of the grade change.

Edit: Whelp, that's just my eyes deceiving me, no such thing exists....

The third to last picture is quite deceiving. I can see what you pictured.

[chuck5815]

So TIF money + a discounted property + MAPS money = a little league development between the arena and OMNI? this is just a joke.

[Pete]

Keep in mind the middle plaza shown with the stage and play area will be surface parking apart from game days.

[Richard at Remax]

why can't they make the covered parking area into covered basketball court(s) at least. Basically for when you really NEED parking it can be easily configured to accommodate.

[jccouger]

Horrible.

[BoulderSooner]

this is such a home run

[gamermp101]

surface parking area is a tragedy

Hey now, the Loves need someplace closeby the arena to park their Rolls Royce on gamedays.

[Jersey Boss]

this is such a home run

Wrong sport. This would be more accurately a "money shot"

[jdizzle]

Why does this board hate another OKC development, aside from hating everything OKC does? The area is too thin to do anything with, so having Thunder-themed places seems perfectly fine to me. But apparently I know nothing.