Ideas 4 MAPS

[onthestrip]

I don't know why people are so against the soccer stadium. Seems there is more opposition to this than the horse related items. While I am for both, I think soccer is the only one that will benefit citizens in a way not tied to economic impact.

I think the soccer stadium on the cotton mill site would be a great amenity between the new park and the river stuff.

The problem is, what will the soccer stadium be for? A few Energy games? I dont really see it being used for any other meaningful events, maybe used just a couple dozen times a year.

Seems the state fair arena is and would be used much more and is in desperate need to be replaced. Thats why I prefer arena over the soccer stadium.

[hoya]

The problem is, what will the soccer stadium be for? A few Energy games? I dont really see it being used for any other meaningful events, maybe used just a couple dozen times a year.

Seems the state fair arena is and would be used much more and is in desperate need to be replaced. Thats why I prefer arena over the soccer stadium.

I am not against a soccer stadium in principle. But I do think it's being proposed as sort of a "rescue" for the people who bought the cotton mill site. I think if we're going to do something like that, we need more control over what gets built next to it.

[baralheia]

The problem is, what will the soccer stadium be for? A few Energy games? I dont really see it being used for any other meaningful events, maybe used just a couple dozen times a year.

Seems the state fair arena is and would be used much more and is in desperate need to be replaced. Thats why I prefer arena over the soccer stadium.

A pro rugby team has also expressed interest in playing here, fyi. The facility could also be used for other pro/semi-pro sports like arena football and the like. This would also give the city a venue for regional sports games, like high school championships - and it would be great for concerts too. There's a bunch of potential uses for this facility above and beyond soccer. It's well worth noting that in the proposal that was put forth (posted earlier in this thread), the renderings of the field show the field primarily configured for football.

[warreng88]

I have an idea for MAPS4: instead of saying these are the five things we are going to build as part of the funding, gaining the funding and then having to scale it back, start small, saying these are the three things we are going to build, guaranteed and then if the tax collections come in how they are supposed to, we will build these other two. From Maps3, we were promised five aquatic senior wellness centers, brought back to four, regular wellness centers, back to five. We were originally supposed to get 70 miles of sidewalks, when the contracts came back, if I remember correctly, that came back in half. Then the city council doubled the budget to get it back to the 70 miles. The river improvements were scaled back. I think the streetcar was built as it was supposed to. And, of course the convention center and State fairgrounds were built, as planned.

Over promise and under deliver is never a good thing, especially when it comes to people's tax dollars.

[onthestrip]

A pro rugby team has also expressed interest in playing here, fyi. The facility could also be used for other pro/semi-pro sports like arena football and the like. This would also give the city a venue for regional sports games, like high school championships - and it would be great for concerts too. There's a bunch of potential uses for this facility above and beyond soccer. It's well worth noting that in the proposal that was put forth (posted earlier in this thread), the renderings of the field show the field primarily configured for football.

A pro rugby team? Yawn. That might draw a few hundred people at best and hardly necessitates a new soccer stadium. Plenty of other outdoor venues for concerts. Arena football is played in an arena. Whats the price tag on the soccer stadium again?

Not saying I would vote no, but I think a lot of people might vote no with a soccer stadium on the ballot. I also think its simply too soon for a soccer stadium and not the best use of resources. Maybe have a shorter time period for this MAPs and a smaller and more focused list of items.

[baralheia]

A pro rugby team? Yawn. That might draw a few hundred people at best and hardly necessitates a new soccer stadium. Plenty of other outdoor venues for concerts. Arena football is played in an arena. Whats the price tag on the soccer stadium again?

Not saying I would vote no, but I think a lot of people might vote no with a soccer stadium on the ballot. I also think its simply too soon for a soccer stadium and not the best use of resources. Maybe have a shorter time period for this MAPs and a smaller and more focused list of items.

You said:

I dont really see it being used for any other meaningful events, maybe used just a couple dozen times a year

My reply to you was intended to call attention to the multiple uses such a facility would have, above and beyond soccer, and including actual groups that have already expressed interest in using the facility if it were built - not to debate the merits of the potential uses. The Energy might be the primary tenant but if marketed properly the facility would see much more use than just soccer - and such a facility definitely would be an asset to the city. Truthfully it doesn't really matter what it's used for as long as the use is compatible with the facility's purpose and the potential tenants can pay the bills for it's use.

It's also worth noting that OKC's primary outdoor venue - the Zoo Amphitheater - is likely going away (if the zoo's master plan documents posted here are to be believed). A facility such as this, along with the bandshell at Scissortail Park, would be able to absorb the loss of the Zoo Amp.

[mugofbeer]

it is sad how much you hate OKC

It sounds, from his last post, he doesn't have a firm grip on a lot of things.

[OKCRT]

I don't think there are enough soccer fans in OKC that will vote in favor of building a 100 mil dollar soccer stadium. If this is included I bet this maps fails. I just don't see a fever pitch for soccer at this level. maybe if it were MLS you might convince the masses.

And then you add in a shiny new Horse barn and you have the makings of a Big NO Vote turnout.

[Laramie]

The proposed soccer-American football MAPS 4 stadium is estimated to seat 10,000 chair back seats with expansion room; estimated construction cost will probably be in the $65-$80 million range: https://oklahoman.com/article/562437...sed-for-maps-4

Most costs will be initial infrastructure where if you were to expand the stadium another 10,000 to 20,000 seats (30,000 seat total) you're probably looking at $20-$35 million more, not near the cost of the original 10,000 seats since most of the stadium infrastructure will already be in place.

The placeholder draft of this stadium appears to be of good MLS quality: https://www.okctalk.com/content.php?...sed-for-MAPS-4

[Zorba]

You said:

My reply to you was intended to call attention to the multiple uses such a facility would have, above and beyond soccer, and including actual groups that have already expressed interest in using the facility if it were built - not to debate the merits of the potential uses. The Energy might be the primary tenant but if marketed properly the facility would see much more use than just soccer - and such a facility definitely would be an asset to the city. Truthfully it doesn't really matter what it's used for as long as the use is compatible with the facility's purpose and the potential tenants can pay the bills for it's use.

It's also worth noting that OKC's primary outdoor venue - the Zoo Amphitheater - is likely going away (if the zoo's master plan documents posted here are to be believed). A facility such as this, along with the bandshell at Scissortail Park, would be able to absorb the loss of the Zoo Amp.

Being an outdoor concert venue is the best way to sell it IMHO. For football, you might get what? A few 3A and 4A games? All the 6A/5A schools have stadiums that size already and their championships are played in much larger stadiums.

I wounder if we could get on the Sand Valleyball circuit with that stadium, I'm guessing no, but that would be cool.

[BoulderSooner]

A pro rugby team has also expressed interest in playing here, fyi. The facility could also be used for other pro/semi-pro sports like arena football and the like. This would also give the city a venue for regional sports games, like high school championships - and it would be great for concerts too. There's a bunch of potential uses for this facility above and beyond soccer. It's well worth noting that in the proposal that was put forth (posted earlier in this thread), the renderings of the field show the field primarily configured for football.

arena football is played indoors ..

[BoulderSooner]

Being an outdoor concert venue is the best way to sell it IMHO. For football, you might get what? A few 3A and 4A games? All the 6A/5A schools have stadiums that size already and their championships are played in much larger stadiums.

I wounder if we could get on the Sand Valleyball circuit with that stadium, I'm guessing no, but that would be cool.

of course the new park is set up to host 15k outdoor concerts ..

[d-usa]

Would be nice to have a music festival with the new park, the baseball ballpark, and a new soccer stadium as venues.

[davidreavis]

Ugh I was hoping since I hadn't checked on this in a while they would have come up with some cool projects. This will be the end of maps for sure, I will be blown away if this passes. Expecting people to get out and vote in numbers for a soccer stadium in okc is comical.

[jccouger]

Would be nice to have a music festival with the new park, the baseball ballpark, and a new soccer stadium as venues.

Sounds good in fantasy land, but that would be a logistical nightmare even with them being so close together. You'd have to shut down the blvd. & build an absolutely massive security fencing area.

[Goon]

As a resident adjacent to South Lakes and a parent of a child who is active in soccer I would like to add that widening Meridian is not a solution. That will only drive more traffic. There is ample overflow parking east of the fields in the park area. The issue is lazy people who don’t want to walk. We walk to games from our neighborhood. I would hope we could focus on connecting the neighborhoods to the park as opposed to widening the roads. The neighbors in the area are the main users of the park and as an immediate resident I think it is foolish to accommodate traffic over the neighborhoods. Additionally, widening will solve nothing unless you address the on/off ramps and bridges at I44 and 89th, 104th, 119th, 134th and 149th.

Unfortunately, the city does not share your views.

I would expect any park expansion to be coupled with at minimum a widening of the roads.

And I would add that parking is a significant issue, especially during tournaments where there is simply not enough anywhere...during the last tourney SLSC utilized the parking adjacent to the playground and still had issues. Thankfully, no one parked near the neighborhood (as far as I'm aware) so we didn't have the issues observed in years' past, but any investment in the park will likely include an expansion in parking, amenities and infrastructure as previously stated.

That's a BIG if, though.

[Goon]

Agreed. I am amazed at the number of people that get off at 104th and then go over to Meridian to go south to 119th.

If you ever use google maps during high traffic periods, there's a smooth 75% chance it will direct you off at 104th to access the neighborhoods on 119th due to the queuing that occurs at the 119th street stop sign, and the 2 lane bridge over I-44.

The whole setup will continue to pose issues the more the area develops. Would be great to see a solution that addresses both the I-44 entry/exit bottleneck off 119th and the roads going west, but surely some of that would involve state/federal bureaucracies in addition to city interests.

Maybe the Amazon development/Lariat landing progress/airport land expansions/etc. will leverage some will out of the necessary parties. Meantime, I hope we can see some economic growth that makes the investment the city put into updating Portland ave. from 59th to 104th make sense from a consumer standpoint.

[Laramie]

Would be nice to have a music festival with the new park, the baseball ballpark, and a new soccer stadium as venues.

Good idea, have some kind of music festival equivalent to Rocklahoma. Also, there will be plenty of events which could be staged in a stadium as opposed to the grassy banks Scissortail park will provide; especially once you have a group like SMG's management over the facility.

How long will the Zoo Amphitheater continue to operate?

[shawnw]

Shows continue to be packed at Zoo Amp, I don't see that venue going away any time soon.

[Zorba]

of course the new park is set up to host 15k outdoor concerts ..

I haven't really been following the park development closely, that is good to know.

[Quicker]

Shows continue to be packed at Zoo Amp, I don't see that venue going away any time soon.

The Zoo Amp is operating on borrowed time. The Zoo trust has already made the decision to do away with it and use the space for expansion.

As much as people mourn buildings in the core being torn down, for me, this is much more of a tragic loss. The Zoo Amp is a treasure that was built in the 20s and is arguably the most iconic concert venue in the state.

[d-usa]

Hasn’t the Zoo Amp always had some issues with having to shut down by a specific time due to noise and the animals? As the zoo grows, the exhibits keep on moving closer to the venue as well.

I get that it’s an iconic venue, but the zoos primary responsibility is to the animals. I do like the proposed use of that space.

[jn1780]

I am not against a soccer stadium in principle. But I do think it's being proposed as sort of a "rescue" for the people who bought the cotton mill site. I think if we're going to do something like that, we need more control over what gets built next to it.

I don't see anything happening with cotton mill site for awhile at least not for Maps 4. They bought a contaminated lot expecting a big profit. Now its time to let them stew on it for several years until their willing to sale it for dirt cheap prices.

[Laramie]

Agree 100% jn1780...

Producers Cooperative put its 43 acres just south of Bricktown on the market in early 2010 for $120 million, an asking price widely seen as well outside the realm of reason: $2,790,698 per acre, or $64 per square foot.

A year later, the mill offered to sell the city 15 acres as a convention center site for $41.8 million, sweetening the pitch by agreeing to contribute $3 million to extend Bricktown Canal through the property.

--Oklahoman, MIze Sat, May 24, 2014: https://oklahoman.com/article/485051...itys-bricktown

Wouldn't say that the City was attempting to rescue them in any way. OKC wasn't willing to pay the high outrages asking price of nearly $2.8 million an acre in 2014 for the convention center; therefore, I doubt if they would pay anywhere near that to build a stadium.

The popularly of the stadium itself isn't a project OKC would be willing to spend that kind of money on land acquisition. Strawberry fields area or the city owned riverfront land may be a better fit.

[Laramie]

Possible MAPS 4 projects revealed, meetings set

By Matt Patterson - June 14, 2019

MAPS 4 project proposal meetings

The four city meetings are slated to begin in July and conclude in early August:

July 9 — Palomar Family Justice Center; parks; sidewalks, bike lanes, trails and streetlights; Freedom Center.
July 11 — Youth centers; beautification; Oklahoma State Fair coliseum; senior wellness centers; animal shelter.
July 31 — Transit; homelessness; Chesapeake Energy Arena and NBA enhancements; diversion hub.
Aug. 6 — Mental health; multipurpose stadium; innovation district.

According to the agenda released Friday afternoon, the Aug. 6 meeting is set to include discussion of other projects brought forward by council members along with project timing, revenue estimates and sustainable design efforts.

Link list meeting times: https://nondoc.com/2019/06/14/possib...ects-revealed/

Note: The council votes Tuesday, June 18 on a schedule of four public hearings, where advocates of selected proposals will be invited to pitch their ideas in formal presentations.