Edmond couple arrested under city's ‘social host' ordinance

[Tim]

I'm old and have no idea what I'm talking about? Seriously...your own bad behavior as a teenager in no way qualifies you as an expert.

[rugbybrado]

I'm old and have no idea what I'm talking about? Seriously...your own bad behavior as a teenager in no way qualifies you as an expert.

I went to a better highschool than your children.
I scored higher on SAT and ACT than your children.
I graduated college on the deans honor roll.

I can also tell that you're a fool if you think your children are perfect and everyone elses kids are the ones with the problems.



P.S. Your daughter isnt a virgin. Just thought i would give you a heads up on that one too...

[OU Adonis]

Wow, this thread has had a turn for the worst.

[CuatrodeMayo]

As a 25 y/o, college graduate i

...talk like I haven't even graduated from high school yet.

[Easy180]

Well it has been a while since we have had some real deal trolls on here

Let's all list our SAT's and GPA's on an anonymous forum where nothing can ever be verified

Signed....George Steinbrenner

[rugbybrado]

...talk like I haven't even graduated from high school yet.

here we go.

As a 25 Year Old , college graduate.

LOLOLOL, i used some short hand for year old. Does that help your arguement at all?

[rugbybrado]

Well it has been a while since we have had some real deal trolls on here

Let's all list our SAT's and GPA's on an anonymous forum where nothing can ever be verified

Signed....George Steinbrenner

I would actually be willing to meet up with any member from the board if you would like some sort of validation for my claims.


But the point is this - As someone who semi- recently got out of highschool, i can say first hand that tons of kids lie to their parents about drug and alcohol use. In college my previous g/f had a pretty serious drinking problem but to this day her mom will swear up and down that her daughter has never touched alcohol in her life. Even after she got pulled over in stillwater with a open container her mom still believed it was one of her friends bottles.
I'm just saying dont be nieve to the fact of whats going on around you - She is edmond north c/o 2002

I've met alot of her old highschool friends and this is not some rare case of some kid gone wrong, It was the same story different town when i was in highschool.

[PUGalicious]

I went to a better highschool than your children.
I scored higher on SAT and ACT than your children.
I graduated college on the deans honor roll.

I can also tell that you're a fool if you think your children are perfect and everyone elses kids are the ones with the problems.



P.S. Your daughter isnt a virgin. Just thought i would give you a heads up on that one too...

Is "Omniscience" now a certified degree?

[rugbybrado]

Is "Omniscience" now a certified degree?

I'm glad im finally getting the reconition i deserve.

[PUGalicious]

I'm glad im finally getting the reconition i deserve.

I certainly wasn't validating your delusions of grandeur. I was simply asking a rhetorical question.

[Tim]

I'm glad im finally getting the reconition i deserve.

Next thing you know he'll be telling us his dad wrote the Constitution!

[PUGalicious]

Andy, is that you?

[Midtowner]

Aity?

[rugbybrado]

Next thing you know he'll be telling us his dad wrote the Constitution!

Weak.

[Midtowner]

I'm glad im finally getting the reconition i deserve.

Patrick, is that you?

[Tim]

Weak.

Sorry pup, it was a reference to another delusional individual who has'nt posted in a while. I guess I assumed you wouldn't need clarification cuz you are sooooo smart!

[gmwise]

tisk tisk sounds like more a case of whiney sour grapes.
I couldn't drink,or refuse to take a chance to do it until i was legal.
But I refuse to sound like a bunch of old folks bemoaning the antics of the young.
thank gawd they didn't drive drunk.
as for mom "letting her boyfriend have sex with her daughter.
in Garysland both would have been in front of the firing squad. see and you thought the politicans we have now is bad lol

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

I went to a better highschool than your children.
I scored higher on SAT and ACT than your children.
I graduated college on the deans honor roll.

I can also tell that you're a fool if you think your children are perfect and everyone elses kids are the ones with the problems.



P.S. Your daughter isnt a virgin. Just thought i would give you a heads up on that one too...

Prove it.

[I AM PS3]

So...based on your "they are going to do it anyway" theory, we should just let them do it at home so they will be safe. Do you suggest we give them their first joint also to make sure it isn't laced with something? How about needles for drugs - just to make sure they aren't used by someone with HIV. This is the most ridiculous theory I have ever heard. So instead of being their parent and holding them accountable for their choices...we should just let them do whatever they want because they will find a way to do it. Do you not understand that they wouldn't and couldn't do it anyway without your mentality and assistance? If people stopped providing it for them...they couldn't get it!! And where is the line drawn on what is okay for them to do and what isn't? As teenagers they aren't able to make this distinction. They assume that it's okay as long as they are in a 'safe' place.

I'm reviving this thread because I just recently ran across it in the newspaper again. Here's the link for reference. They've arrested more than 70 people on this ordinance in the year since it was first enacted.

I presonally feel that this is a FANTASTIC law. I'm in agreement with kmf above in that enabling them as parents is not acceptable. It's just poor parently. It totally sends the wrong message to these kids when a parent allows this.

My current neighbors are several college age kids that rent the house next door. Their constant parties drive me crazy, and I KNOW that there are underage folks there drinking. I sure wish the cops would come by during one of their bigger benders and make one of these arrests. ;-)

Paul
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I AM PS3

[Chefdavies]

I grew up in edmond. I've seen it go from fun loving edmond to eh watch what your doing edmond. Over the past memorial day weekend I was pulled over by one of edmonds finest for (failure to signal). Funny thing is my signal turned off halfway through said intersection, and the cop even told me that. He also said "it looked like your brake lights were not working." Well when I was pulled over he could clearly see my brake lights. Now to this past weekend. My girlfriends mother and I went to around the corner for lunch and were crossing the street. Another fine edmond cop turned on his lights and told us we can only cross when the "walk" sign is lit?!?! I love edmond, but this town is getting out of control. All I ever hear about my town is "how coucilmen won't let businesses design their own companies," to "Cops arrest underage kids and plaster their faces all over the papers." Ppl in town really need to start paying attention. I hated see the bumper stickers in norman that said "dont edmond my norman."

[PennyQuilts]

My mom used the same lame argument, i.e., that she "knew" her underage daughter was going to drink and wanted to provide a place where it was safe. She never had much to say about the hordes of drunken kids she turned loose on the highways on their way home. I can only imagine the parents dispised us. I honestly don't think it ever seriously occured to my mother that what she was doing was irresponsible.

BTW, it was my older sister who had the parties every weekend. She was absolutely insistent that I stay up in my room because she was not going to expose me to that stuff (I was also a teenager and in highschool). She was an idiot teenager but still had better parenting instincts than some adults.

[FritterGirl]

ah....I forgot to include this. Actually, my point is that providing alcohol at home INCREASES these accidents. This is a tad long, but it's an interesting article which makes my point.

"Tis the Season
Allowing Holiday Drinking by Teens Sets Dangerous Precedent
by Stephen Wallace, M.S.Ed.

It is also widely believed that "teaching teens to drink responsibly" to celebrate a holiday or other important event will demystify alcohol and lead to more thoughtful, less destructive behavior.

Wishful thinking, through and through.
In truth, teens who are allowed to drink alcohol at home are significantly more likely to drink with their friends. "Even if only on special occasions?" asked an incredulous mother during a recent presentation of the new research results. Yes, even if only on special occasions.

But influence cuts two ways. By allowing underage drinking during the holidays, adults deprive teens of the unambiguous, common sense guidelines they need to make good choices all year long.

It is clear that parents who talk with their teens about underage drinking, set expectations for behavior, and enforce consequences for violating the rules are significantly less likely to have children who use alcohol.

I call bullhockey on this completely!!! And I'm living proof.

Despite years of zero-tolerance messages from government and prevention groups, many parents choose to allow their children to drink at home while stressing themes of moderation and responsibility.

One supporter of this harm-reduction approach to alcohol education is psychologist Stanton Peele. "Every civilized non-psychotic human being has offered their children alcohol," said Peele. "We always approach appetitive behaviors in a moralistic and restrictive way: don't do drugs, don't smoke, don't drink."
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Stanton Peele is a MORON........M O R O N

Again, bullhockey! I am living proof that "learned behaviour" based on learning in moderation absolutely WORKS. I grew up as an only child, so probably spent the greater part of my "social" times around adults.

From a very young age, I was allowed "sips" of wine at family and holiday celebrations. I was also allowed to order "Shirley Temple" or "Virgin Daquiri" type drinks whenever I went out with my parents.

As I grew older, I was then given my own small glass of wine at special occasions, and was served wine in restaurants, or could sneak sips of wine from my parents' glasses if I was not served.

Of course, throughout all of this, I was also educated about how alcohol, when consumed in moderation, could be an enjoyable thing. I was also told about how easily alcohol could be abused, and had a grandfather who was a perfect example of that (a raging alcoholic).

I was never told "don't drink," or "don't do drugs." Instead, I was told I would face these pressures, and that it was okay to be different and NOT give in just to be popular. Truth be told, I was never the most popular kid in high school. In fact, I was a bit of a nerd who hung out with the smart kids. Regardless, only once did I ever get in "trouble" with alcohol in high school. And then after about 3 bouts with binge-drinking in college, my alcohol consumption has pretty much become limited to a glass of wine 1-2 times a week. It's been that way for about 15 years now.

I was also never given a curfew. Instead, I was told, "you need to come in at an hour you deem reasonable. If you come in at an hour that is unreasonable, then a curfew will be enforced." As it turned out, I was usually in by 11, and certainly always before midnight. On occasion, if I decided to spend the night at a girlfriend's house, all I had to do was call.

I guess in my household, I was taught to make adult decisions at a young age - including alcohol, and in my case, it worked.

I agree the method might not work for everybody, but I disagree that it should be dismissed so readily. I think much depends on the family and the child.

Research shows a direct correlation between the raising of drinking ages in the US and bad drinking habits. There are many and complex reasons for this. However, there is a significant body of research that supports the idea that kids will learn more responsible habits if they begin drinking in a family setting.

There is lots of data to back this view, here is one:

Drinking with Parents is “Protective” of Alcohol Abuse
by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.

Drinking alcohol with parents “may help teach them responsible drinking habits or extinguish some of the ‘novelty’ or ‘excitement’ of drinking” according to senior researcher Dr. Kristie Long Foley of the School of Medicine at Wake Forest University. Dr. Foley describes drinking with parents as a “protective” behavior.

In addition to teaching young people both how to drink and how not to drink, these groups avoid stigmatizing alcohol and strictly prohibit the abuse of alcohol.

This was exactly my parents' approach, and I intend to raise my children in the same manner.

That being said, I would never offer alcohol to any other child without their parents' express permission.

[PennyQuilts]

<<This was exactly my parents' approach, and I intend to raise my children in the same manner.

That being said, I would never offer alcohol to any other child without their parents' express permission.>>

As teenagers, my kids also learned to drink responsively at the dinner table. By that, a small glass of wine. I'm not talking about giving them a beer and letting them go watch the game with dad. In fact, they didn't get canned beer (at home) until they turned 18.

If they drank away from home, they did it without my permission. Did they sneak? I wouldn't be surprised but that doesn't mean I give them permission. Slinking around because you know you aren't doing right is a time honored teenager tradition. Capitulating as a parent leaves the young idiots adrift and, really, what do you gain? If indeed they are going to sneak, at least let them have the voice of reason to return to after they wise up. "I should have listened to my dad/mom" is the refrain of the maturing adult. "Let's party with dad!" is just icky. There is no place to go from there.

The kids went to a Christian college and used to shake their heads at the kids who, after getting out from under their parents' thumbs ran wild. Demystifying drinking seemed to make sense to me but obviously you can't do this if you have a parent who is a raging drunk or a mean one. The whole thing is that you are trying to model sensible, responsible behavior and take away the forbidden aspects of it to the extent you can.

And giving alcohol to someone else's child is insane for all the obvious reasons. Moreover, you don't know if they are on some medication, have a family history of substance abuse, have health problems, etc.

[Karried]

The kids went to a Christian college and used to shake their heads at the kids who, after getting out from under their parents' thumbs ran wild.

Demystifying drinking seemed to make sense to me but obviously you can't do this if you have a parent who is a raging drunk or a mean one. The whole thing is that you are trying to model sensible, responsible behavior and take away the forbidden aspects of it to the extent you can.

I agree with this completely. It's the kids who are sheltered and protected from things like TV shows, video games and sex education or drug/alcohol information that end up freaked out when social pressures kick in.

I've seen it happen over and over with some of my best friends who don't drink at all. Their kids entered junior high and high school and went stark raving mad with trying everything in sight. It's truly unbelievable that these families that tried so hard to do the right thing by their children end up suffering so much for it. It's truly a slap in the face for them and really hard to deal with.

I vote for a middle ground. I'm not going to give my kids alcohol or buy it for them but I will try to provide a safe haven for them and their friends to hang out and find other fun things to do other than drink or do drugs.

[rohr]

NOT IN MY BACK YARD!
Why Edmond? it doesnt exactly have the highest underage drinking population in the state or country. Students are just moving out to Edmond's boundaries to obtain an OKC address.