National Basketball Association

[Jersey Boss]

https://www.quora.com/What-process-d...FL-NHL-and-MLB

The rules regarding relocation in the National Basketball Association Constitution impose restrictions similar to those in Major League Baseball. They prevent teams from relocating without the consent of the NBA Board of Governors, and take into account factors like the proximity of other teams to the proposed relocation destination, the profitability of the new destination for the team and for the league, as well as any state or local laws or regulations that might inhibit or prohibit an NBA team’s success in a new destination.

Despite the perceived restrictiveness of the NBA’s relocation rules, their actual implementation is considerably more liberal when considered in the light of the specific case law that has helped to define and apply them. Unlike Major League Baseball, the NBA does not enjoy an antitrust exemption, and is thus subject to “rule of reason” analysis in cases regarding relocations.“Rule of reason” analysis was applied to the NBA by the decision in NBA v. San Diego Clippers Basketball Club.

Like MLB, the NBA oversees a lower-level basketball league that functions as a reserve system. This league, known as the NBA Development League (or D-League), is comprised of 16 teams, some of which are owned directly by NBA teams. However, since the NBA exerts greater of control over this lower league than does MLB wields over MiLB, it is less of a consideration for relocation issues, and does not present problems to clubs attempting to move.

The absence of antitrust protection makes the NBA’s rules regarding franchise relocation more difficult to enforce than those in MLB. The “rule of reason” analysis applied in NBA relocation cases gives the league less control over the ability of teams to relocate and NBA teams receive higher subsidies toward constructing a new stadium or remodeling an existing stadium than teams in MLB

With that being said I see relocation more likely than expansion. 30 profitable teams give all owners more revenue than 28 profitable ones and 4 unprofitable ones. I see NO on the way to Seattle within two years.

[OKCRT]

https://www.quora.com/What-process-d...FL-NHL-and-MLB

The rules regarding relocation in the National Basketball Association Constitution impose restrictions similar to those in Major League Baseball. They prevent teams from relocating without the consent of the NBA Board of Governors, and take into account factors like the proximity of other teams to the proposed relocation destination, the profitability of the new destination for the team and for the league, as well as any state or local laws or regulations that might inhibit or prohibit an NBA team’s success in a new destination.

Despite the perceived restrictiveness of the NBA’s relocation rules, their actual implementation is considerably more liberal when considered in the light of the specific case law that has helped to define and apply them. Unlike Major League Baseball, the NBA does not enjoy an antitrust exemption, and is thus subject to “rule of reason” analysis in cases regarding relocations.“Rule of reason” analysis was applied to the NBA by the decision in NBA v. San Diego Clippers Basketball Club.

Like MLB, the NBA oversees a lower-level basketball league that functions as a reserve system. This league, known as the NBA Development League (or D-League), is comprised of 16 teams, some of which are owned directly by NBA teams. However, since the NBA exerts greater of control over this lower league than does MLB wields over MiLB, it is less of a consideration for relocation issues, and does not present problems to clubs attempting to move.

The absence of antitrust protection makes the NBA’s rules regarding franchise relocation more difficult to enforce than those in MLB. The “rule of reason” analysis applied in NBA relocation cases gives the league less control over the ability of teams to relocate and NBA teams receive higher subsidies toward constructing a new stadium or remodeling an existing stadium than teams in MLB

With that being said I see relocation more likely than expansion. 30 profitable teams give all owners more revenue than 28 profitable ones and 4 unprofitable ones. I see NO on the way to Seattle within two years.

Rules? They don't mean squat if the owner really wants to move. Look at what the owner of the then Stl. Rams and the NFL did to that city when they relocated to La. The NFL had their set of guidelines/rules and they broke just about every one of them when they found a sucker to build a stadium in La. So there may be rules but they are there to be broken. If said owner has enough of the other owners to agree with him he can pretty much do what he wants.

[Dob Hooligan]

I don't think there is a straight line between attendance and profit in today's world. For example, New Orleans is probably a low debt service franchise. I think Tom Benson paid about $400 million for it about 10 years ago. They are probably the anchor tenant of the Smoothie King Arena and control dates, suites, signage, in arena advertising and merchandise sales. They share their small TV market with the Saints, LSU football and LSU basketball, which leaves plenty of dates for Pelicans basketball.
For someone to buy the Pelicans and move to Seattle they would have to pay upwards of $2 billion, become junior tenant of renovated and renamed KeyArena (NHL is going to be primary tenant), and share the market with NFL, MLB, NHL, and MLS. Hard to imagine all these items allow for more free cash than New Orleans would provide in their smaller overhead, less competitive market.

The NBA has been very open about their success in smaller markets where they are the only team. A quarter of the league, by my count. Add in that there are only a handful of "must have" markets (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago; maybe Dallas, Boston, Houston, Atlanta) and you can see where a national sport needs national teams to get a national audience.

[Laramie]

The Data Behind Surging NBA Team Valuations: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sur...am-valuations/

[Laramie]

NBA's five smallest markets:

TV Household/Nielsen rankings/Fortune 1000 companies:

34 Salt Lake City 916,960 ...includes whole state (2 Fortune 1000)
35 Milwaukee 895,700 (13 Fortune 1000)
41 Oklahoma City 722,140 (5 Fortune 1000)
50 New Orleans 641,620 (1 Fortune 1000)
51 Memphis 633,930 (6 Fortune 1000)

Source: 2017 Nielsen DMA Rankings – Full List: https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

(Fortune 1000 companies) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_urban_area

MSA/Urban populations:

39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA 1,576,236 GR+1.31%/Urban 595,351 GR+0.09%
41 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,383,737 GR+10.44%/Urban 643,648 GR+10.97%
42 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA 1,348,260 GR+1.77%/Urban 652,236 GR+0.83%
46 New Orleans-Metairie, LA MSA 1,275,762 GR +7.22%/Urban 393,292 GR +14.39%
48 Salt Lake City, UT MSA 1,203,105 GR+10.59%/Urban 200,544 GR +7.56%

Sources:

MSA Populations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas

Urban cities populations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

[Laramie]

Facilities for NBA 5 smallest markets listed by seating capacity

20 Vivint Smart Home Arena, Salt Lake City

opened: 1991
capacity: 18,303
cost: $168,010,000
cost Per Seat: $9,179

21 Chesapeake Energy Arena, Oklahoma City

opened: 2002
capacity: 18,203
cost: $122,970,000
cost Per Seat: $6,755

22 FedExForum, Memphis

opened: 2004
capacity: 18,119
cost: $327,000,000
cost Per Seat: $18,047

28 Wisconsin Entertainment and Sports Center, Milwaukee

opened: 2018
capacity: 17,500
cost: $515,590,000
cost Per Seat: $29,462

29 Smoothie King Center, New Orleans

opened: 1999
capacity: 16,867
cost: $168,300,000
cost Per Seat: $9,978

NBA 2018-19 Attendance: http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance

[Laramie]

2019 NBA Dunk Contest Winner

2019 NBA Dunk Contest - Full Highlights | 2019 NBA All-Star Weekend

[Dob Hooligan]

NBA's five smallest markets:

TV Household/Nielsen rankings/Fortune 1000 companies:

34 Salt Lake City 916,960 ...includes whole state (2 Fortune 1000)
35 Milwaukee 895,700 (13 Fortune 1000)
41 Oklahoma City 722,140 (5 Fortune 1000)
50 New Orleans 641,620 (1 Fortune 1000)
51 Memphis 633,930 (6 Fortune 1000)

Source: 2017 Nielsen DMA Rankings – Full List: https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

(Fortune 1000 companies) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_urban_area

MSA/Urban populations:

39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA 1,576,236 GR+1.31%/Urban 595,351 GR+0.09%
41 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,383,737 GR+10.44%/Urban 643,648 GR+10.97%
42 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA 1,348,260 GR+1.77%/Urban 652,236 GR+0.83%
46 New Orleans-Metairie, LA MSA 1,275,762 GR +7.22%/Urban 393,292 GR +14.39%
48 Salt Lake City, UT MSA 1,203,105 GR+10.59%/Urban 200,544 GR +7.56%

Sources:

MSA Populations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas

Urban cities populations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

So, whycum Salt Lake City gets to claim their whole state and none of us other 4 do? I'm certain the Thunder use the statewide team model, and I'm guessing the Pelicans (and maybe the Grizzlies) do.

This gets me to wondering who is more popular in Little Rock and Arkansas overall, the Thunder or The Grizzlies? Or someone else?

[Laramie]

Why SLC gets to claim their whole state? Don't know, was first made aware of this from poster HotRod. Welcome he or anyone to chime in.

Utah doesn't appear to have two large markets like OKC-TUL who support the Thunder; together the OKC-TUL markets combine for a whopping 1.2 million TV households (FoxOklahoma caters to this dual viewership). IMO, OKC-TUL should be considered one market.

The largest cities in Utah excluding SLC are West Valley City & Provo very similar in proximity as Moore-Norman & Edmond-Guthrie are to Oklahoma City.

[Laramie]

Facilities for NBA 5 smallest markets listed by seating capacity

20 Vivint Smart Home Arena, Salt Lake City

opened: 1991
capacity: 18,303
cost: $168,010,000
cost Per Seat: $9,179

21 Chesapeake Energy Arena, Oklahoma City

opened: 2002
capacity: 18,203
cost: $122,970,000
cost Per Seat: $6,755

22 FedExForum, Memphis

opened: 2004
capacity: 18,119
cost: $327,000,000
cost Per Seat: $18,047

28 Wisconsin Entertainment and Sports Center, Milwaukee

opened: 2018
capacity: 17,500
cost: $515,590,000
cost Per Seat: $29,462

29 Smoothie King Center, New Orleans

opened: 1999
capacity: 16,867
cost: $168,300,000
cost Per Seat: $9,978

NBA 2018-19 Attendance: http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance

Don't have a problem with The Peake, we built an arena a lot less inexpensive (per seat) than many NBA-NHL markets. Its original design was to accommodate NHL ice hockey more-so than NBA basketball. An ice plant in The Peake, who knows the challenges the city would have encountered.

If the NHL had more faith in OKC, they would have enjoyed a very robust OKC market with support from Tulsa & Wichita. NHL didn't think OKC could build a quality arena on $90 million.

The NHL IMO would have thrived and been just as competitive or better than NHL markets like Columbus & Carolina (Raleigh). Carolina won an NHL Stanley Cup championship in 2006 after relocation from Hartford (too close to Boston) in 1997. The ice hockey seating capacity for The Peake (then Ford Center) was listed at 17,069 when then Mayor Ron Norick & Clay Bennett first applied for 1997 expansion.

OKC's potential franchise support--16,000 die-heart fan base. Rivals cities more likely include St. Louis, Dallas, Colorado, Chicago, Nashville Phoenix & LA .

NHL Attendance: http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

[Laramie]

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How former ref Tim Donaghy conspired to fix NBA games: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...-fix-nba-games

[okatty]

^that’s a fascinating article. Amazing someone (NBA) could urge a conclusion that he wasn’t “fixing” games - he was just betting not he game he was calling. OK, then.

[Laramie]

NBA "Dance" Moments

Guys gone wild...

[okatty]

NBA Finals start tonight. Raptors a 1 point home court favorite in game 1. GS is still the series favorite at -280 to -300 range.

[Anonymous.]

Obviously want the Raptors to win (like everyone else not in San Francisco). But part of me wants to see the revamped hate on KD's departure from OKC if the Warriors were to win without him playing (which they definitely could). However, I suspect KD will sit until they lose a game, then he will be activated.

[Jersey Boss]

NBA Finals start tonight. Raptors a 1 point home court favorite in game 1. GS is still the series favorite at -280 to -300 range.

Hard to reconcile the Warriors being series favorites, yet the home team that has a possible 4 games in the series is favored to win at home.

[emtefury]

I am on board with Anon. I only want the Warriors to win if KD does not play.

[okatty]

What a game by Siakam. When the Raptors played the Thunder I noticed how good a player he was but last night he was off the charts. Nice start by the Raptors. And had a little Draymond - Drake run in to boot.

[Anonymous.]

KD ruptured Achilles. Warriors still got the W. Now all cards in place for GSW to come back from a 3-1 deficit without KD. NBA is the greatest drama sport ever.

[okatty]

Very good article about KD's situation and options going forward...

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...means-warriors

[Laramie]

Very good article about KD's situation and options going forward...

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...means-warriors

Wish K. D. a successful recovery where he is able to perform next season.

[Jersey Boss]

KD ruptured Achilles. Warriors still got the W. Now all cards in place for GSW to come back from a 3-1 deficit without KD. NBA is the greatest drama sport ever.

Psst. Toronto is 3-0 this season in Oakland.

[Laramie]

Warriors lose all three NBA final games at home.

[TheSteveHunt]

Trump wouldn't be president if we'd voted no to the $500,000,000 tax subsidy to the Thunder. You idiots are responsible....

[BoulderSooner]

Trump wouldn't be president if we'd voted no to the $500,000,000 tax subsidy to the Thunder. You idiots are responsible....

what the hell are you talking about ... crazy town per normal