OU President Gallogly

[aDark]

I agree.... Boren should receive due process and not the type of due process that he gave the innocent members of the SAE.

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

[Colbafone]

Pardon my French here, but this thread is now the official OKCtalk Dumbass thread of the...ever. Anyone that has a good few minutes should go back and read all the mega conservative drivel in this thread. Honestly, it's embarrassing as a former student at OU and as an Oklahoman.

Anyway, get lost Gallogly. Dude is ruining the image of/at OU.

[aDark]

Pardon my French here, but this thread is now the official OKCtalk Dumbass thread of the...ever. Anyone that has a good few minutes should go back and read all the mega conservative drivel in this thread. Honestly, it's embarrassing as a former student at OU and as an Oklahoman.

Anyway, get lost Gallogly. Dude is ruining the image of/at OU.

Agreed. I dislike that this thread keeps popping up as the title is super misleading. Might make another thread to actually follow OU happenings without a sensationalist title. Maybe the former SAEs will keep posting in this thread thus permitting actual conversation in the new thread.

[soonerheart]

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.

[jedicurt]

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.

yes... but the question is when did they know? again, if only recently... then the investigation now is when it should be done... but if this is something they have known about for years, or decades... it's a different story... the BOR is legally obligated by law to investigate when they hear of the claims... not wait till it's a good opportunity.

[soonerheart]

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

Wrong!

I have never been a member of any university fraternity...In fact I personally do not particularly care for them..... but that doesn’t mean they should have their rights violated or do I want to see OU legally exposed by how Boren handled this issue without due process. The denial of due process by Boren was a huge red flag to many people who understood the laws.

I dated several girls who were in sorties...In fact I have been married to one for nearly 33 years.

[Colbafone]

This investigation was approved by the OU BOR according to reports. OU is legally obligated by law to investigate. By law they must provide due process. IMHO much yet is to be learned. Not all of it is going to be pleasing.

Lol. This is my point.

[soonerheart]

yes... but the question is when did they know? again, if only recently... then the investigation now is when it should be done... but if this is something they have known about for years, or decades... it's a different story... the BOR is legally obligated by law to investigate when they hear of the claims... not wait till it's a good opportunity.

My guess is virtually everyone had heard the decades old rumors
.... but because there were no victims willing to report what had happened to authorities nothing could be done.
We have seen many examples where victims have lived in fear of retaliation for a long time...My guess is that was the case here.

With Boren out of power and the me too movement so much in the news it probably gave courage for individuals to come forward.

With this in the news it’s not unreasonable to believe that others who could have suffered might now come forward with damaging information about Boren.

[soonerheart]

Lol. This is my point.

Do you believe OU should now not follow the laws and legally expose the university to even more embarrassing legal actions that could trigger an investigation of OU by federal authorities that could involve major penalties?

Maybe you do... but I don’t think we want to avoid our problems like Baylor did.

[HangryHippo]

I dated several girls who were in sorties...In fact I have been married to one for nearly 33 years.

Of this I have no doubt.

[schrist]

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

+ 1

[soonerheart]

Of this I have no doubt.

Why do have no doubt?

[soonerheart]

This helps illustrate why OU needs to double its research.

This article sites Scott Meacham who is a former state treasurer under Governor Henry.
Meacham is exceptionally capable and is a good guy.

“We’re very aware of the vision President Gallogly has laid out, and applaud it, quite frankly,” Meacham said.

Click to read full article.
http://www.oudaily.com/news/review-s...f9baef6f9.html

Review shows Oklahoma has lost ground in innovative science, technology fields
A technological and economic review published in late 2018 revealed Oklahoma has lost significant ground to its neighbors in innovative fields, something OU President James Gallogly is aiming to change by doubling the university’s research output.

The data was published by the Milken Institute, a nonprofit think tank focused on creating jobs and encouraging economic development.

[Rover]

This helps illustrate why OU needs to double its research.

This article sites Scott Meacham who is a former state treasurer under Governor Henry.
Meacham is exceptionally capable and is a good guy.

“We’re very aware of the vision President Gallogly has laid out, and applaud it, quite frankly,” Meacham said.

Click to read full article.
http://www.oudaily.com/news/review-s...f9baef6f9.html

Review shows Oklahoma has lost ground in innovative science, technology fields
A technological and economic review published in late 2018 revealed Oklahoma has lost significant ground to its neighbors in innovative fields, something OU President James Gallogly is aiming to change by doubling the university’s research output.

The data was published by the Milken Institute, a nonprofit think tank focused on creating jobs and encouraging economic development.

Yes, and during Boren's tenure they were very active in looking and applying for grants and for corporate sponsors for research. I am personally familiar with several having participated from a corporate side for nano-technology research and development at the energy center on the Norman Campus. Glad to see Gallogly is endorsing and emphasizing one of Boren's pet initiatives.

[Rover]

Yes, and during Boren's tenure they were very active in looking and applying for grants and for corporate sponsors for research. I am personally familiar with several having participated from a corporate side for nano-technology research and development at the energy center on the Norman Campus. Glad to see Gallogly is endorsing and emphasizing one of Boren's pet initiatives.

I believe that Boren championed the legislation enabling professors and researchers at Oklahoma colleges and universities to share in the revenue from patents developed from such activities, thereby setting up incentives to make Oklahoma more competitive to get research dollars from other than the state, since the state legislature is notoriously conservative and not value seekers.

[whoeveriam]

I have to believe a review of salaries of professors in excess of $250,000 annually might want to be reviewed. I was absolutely stunned when I saw the list of profs *in one college alone* within OU drawing that kind of money.

Where did you see such a list? The only list I've seen with something even close to this showed several sub-specialty surgeons at the medical school making more than $250K. Given they are still making less than they would in private practice, and that their salaries are almost completely funded with the clinical revenue they generate, it is not stunning or inappropriate. If you want to have a quality medical school with effective faculty they have to make somewhere at least in the ball park of what they would make in practice.

cheers

[David]

All (or at least most) Oklahoma state employee salaries are public information if you know where to look on https://www.ok.gov/, and that include the university system.

I'd link it myself but I don't actually remember where it is at the moment.

[Jersey Boss]

Where did you see such a list? The only list I've seen with something even close to this showed several sub-specialty surgeons at the medical school making more than $250K. Given they are still making less than they would in private practice, and that their salaries are almost completely funded with the clinical revenue they generate, it is not stunning or inappropriate. If you want to have a quality medical school with effective faculty they have to make somewhere at least in the ball park of what they would make in practice.

cheers

I asked the same thing when he posted that comment but he never answered

[PhiAlpha]

Very sad to see people hell bent on disparaging the reputation of a lifelong Oklahoman. A citizen/statesman who did nothing but give his life serving to make this State better. I lay this at the feet of Galogly

We all had heard rumors about things like this while we were in school. Many people were not surprised about this.

[PhiAlpha]

I suspected you had SAE roots based on the unabashed hate for Boren that you've displayed all over this thread. This validates my suspicion.

It is sad you are holding some old fraternity membership in a higher place than your support for the actual University.

Shame on you. Watching the University politics devolve into a mud-slinging contest to the detriment of the institution while rooting for more damage is a really bad look.

Also, if you think the members of SAE are "innocent" then you need to check yourself.

I know you, and I know that you know a lot of SAE guys. The majority were innocent in that situation. Many of us hold our fraternity membership on the same level as our affiliation with ou. If you don’t understand that I’m sorry. Boren did what he needed to do to a point but overstepped on that deal.

[PhiAlpha]

The same innocent SAE members that practiced and passed on racist songs? Oh, the unproven claims that happened to be caught on tape?

There are great people on both sides, right?

Rover, yes most of the sae members were innocent in that deal. But whatever, you’ve turned into quite the Boren tool on this thread, I Willis expect nothing less.

[PhiAlpha]

Agreed. I dislike that this thread keeps popping up as the title is super misleading. Might make another thread to actually follow OU happenings without a sensationalist title. Maybe the former SAEs will keep posting in this thread thus permitting actual conversation in the new thread.

Do you realize how stupid it is to assume that sae has something to do with this. If we knew something conclusively, do you not think it would’ve been more advantageous to have brought it up 4 years ago when all of that happened. Some of you all just have the blinders on and want to believe that Boren was Jesus Christ or something. It is hilarious.

i created the title, it was literally the headline in the Oklahoman and it is a factual statement.

[mkjeeves]

In an interview Thursday, Bob Burke, an attorney and spokesman for Boren denied any misconduct.

"I’m frustrated that he has been accused of horrible things without any details. We have never been informed by the university that there has been a formal complaint, and we’ve requested meetings with the Jones Day attorneys for months and they have refused to meet with us," Burke said. "But, I’ve made an extensive list of hundreds of aides down through the years. I’ve heard from probably 15 to 20 former aides of Boren’s in the past 24 hours who have said, 'Hey, talk to us. We’ll tell them, David Boren 100 percent of the time, whether in person or in public, always acts appropriately.'"

https://kfor.com/2019/02/14/we-dont-...t-allegations/

Guess (some of us) will have to wait and see if someone comes forward with something other than a rumor. It could happen. Or not. Meanwhile, haters gonna hate.

[aDark]

I know you, and I know that you know a lot of SAE guys. The majority were innocent in that situation. Many of us hold our fraternity membership on the same level as our affiliation with ou. If you donÂ’t understand that IÂ’m sorry. Boren did what he needed to do to a point but overstepped on that deal.

I'm glad we know each other outside of this website. Please send me a PM so I know who I'm talking with.

As to SAE - yes there were a ton of guys who were not on that bus singing a racist chant. But, the racist chant was part of the fraternity's identity, right? I mean it literally had "SAE" in the rhyme. This does not make every SAE racist. But how would Boren have better handled a situation wherein a house's identity is seemingly racist?

I count a number of SAEs as good friends. I know them to be a group of highly social, super fun, intelligent dudes. One of my closest buddies is an SAE and if you know me then you know that as well. None of the SAEs I know have ever said anything racist or struck me as being racists.

All of that said, the hate for Boren from SAE is overwhelming. When I talk with alumni with greek roots the thoughts on Gallogly are the same - he is worrisome and he is handling the transition very poorly. Everyone seems to feel this way with exception to SAEs whose hate for Boren is so thick that they will support anyone who isn't Boren. Now that Boren's legacy is under attack the rally cry is even stronger.



I don't have all the answers. Maybe there is some piece of this puzzle that I am missing. Maybe the BOR knows something the rest of us don't. From what info is available to the public, Gallogly looks vindictive to the point of danger.

The damage is already being seen at OU:
http://www.oudaily.com/news/ou-donat...oZku_sPZ54_7h8

[Pete]

^

From that article:

Donations to the university are down 41 percent compared to the last fiscal year amid a chaotic period in the university’s history compounded by the departure of multiple high-level development officers and a rocky presidential transition.

As of Jan. 10, according to an internal office of development memo obtained by The Daily, the university has raised $48,905,322 during fiscal year 2019, which started July 1, 2018. At this point in fiscal year 2018, which started July 1, 2017, the university had raised $82,980,776.

From the outset, Gallogly seemed more interested in destroying Boren and his legacy than improving OU.

And I said this from the very beginning where before Gallogly even started, he began ripping into Boren, including giving the false impression that OU's debt load was dangerously high, as it was later proven it is well within norms.

And since that time, he has followed the exact same course.


I was dubious of Gallogly from the minute he started to tear down the previous administration, as there is absolutely no reason a leader needs to trash the predecessor. And in fact, anyone who knows about leadership realizes that just makes you look petty and insecure. Real leaders simply focus on the positive changes they want to bring, and that can always be accomplished without crapping on the previous leadership.

Now, this has turned into a full-scale disaster. So he's saving some money here and there but donations are down by tens of millions.

That's completely contrary to what he has stated is his primary purpose: to improve the financial standing of the university.


Now will come those (or probably just one) who will try and claim that this is all Boren's fault too.