Ideas 4 MAPS

[TheSteveHunt]

Holt ranting about Trump in that NYT piece was really odd. He dislikes the man, but has no issues with the things that put him into power. Stadium Swindles is no doubt high on the list.

[jedicurt]

Holt ranting about Trump in that NYT piece was really odd. He dislikes the man, but has no issues with the things that put him into power. Stadium Swindles is no doubt high on the list.

what are you even talking about?

[TheSteveHunt]

what are you even talking about?

A few days ago there was an NYT piece on Kendra Holt's victory...in it Holt said some negative things about Trump. That is good. But I do not think the many things that led to Trump winning are of great concern to David....

[stlokc]

I watched that NYT video twice because I thought it was so interesting. I actually think Mayor Holt's comments were spot on - I can't even count the number of people I know who have always considered themselves Republicans but are disenchanted with the modern GOP. One of the primary reasons that Kendra Horn won was the defection of the moderate, urban/suburban population away from the Republican Party. He was explaining that as OKC has gotten younger, better educated and more diverse, the county is getting purpler and purpler. I appreciated that it showed that OKC, far from being the outlet politically among cities in the U.S., is actually in line with modern trends. Local Republican politicians should take note.

[stlokc]

* I meant to write "outlier," not "outlet." Sorry.

[OKCRT]

yep... while i don't want a soccer stadium... if it has massive expansion of street car, bike trails, and over-all walk ability and transportation improvements, i'm going to vote yes.

It doesn't matter. If a stadium in one of the projects you will see a bunch of no votes just because of that. A new arena for the Thunder I think you would get huge support for when the time comes. But a stadium for minor league soccer that 95% of the people in OKC don't care about would not be wise IMO. We will see but the one constant thing I hear with Maps 4 is a soccer stadium. If they put a 10 million dollar price tag on it then people prob. won't care so much. But a real up to date modern stadium is going to go way past 10 mil. I just don't think there's enough people in OKC that care about minor league soccer. I think it would struggle to pass even if it was MLS.

[Laramie]

2020: MAPS 4 extension vote.

Residents can submit their ideas on the city's website: https://www.okc.gov/government/maps-4

[d-usa]

I think the important thing for a stadium would be to really build it, and market it, as a city owned multi-purpose stadium. The Energy can pay rent and play there, but it shouldn’t be “their” soccer stadium.

It could host many different sport events: the Energy, high school soccer and football, state soccer tournaments, and a venue for outdoor concerts, graduations, and whatever else you can fit in there.

[Laramie]

Ideas 4 MAPS is a vehicle designed for voters to submit what they want to see on the 2020 MAPS 4 initiative extension. We know everyone will NOT get EVERYTHING they want when the extension comes up for a vote.

Those of you who are against a stadium; just curious--what would you like to see; what ideas have you submitted?

[d-usa]

Stadium for me would also depend on location of course.

I think other options for me would be for walkability improvements, another senior center, parks, and I’m unsure about anything streetcar related.

[redhardy]

It doesn't matter. If a stadium in one of the projects you will see a bunch of no votes just because of that. A new arena for the Thunder I think you would get huge support for when the time comes. But a stadium for minor league soccer that 95% of the people in OKC don't care about would not be wise IMO. We will see but the one constant thing I hear with Maps 4 is a soccer stadium. If they put a 10 million dollar price tag on it then people prob. won't care so much. But a real up to date modern stadium is going to go way past 10 mil. I just don't think there's enough people in OKC that care about minor league soccer. I think it would struggle to pass even if it was MLS.

We know you are against it OKCRT .. stating that 95% are against/don't care it is ridiculously unfounded. A modern stadium for ULS/MLS will always be about field size and a phased approach where the state puts funds in and is matched/exceeded by the Energy (or the state puts the majority in and the Energy lease the stadium over a 10 year period providing ROI).

[OKCRT]

We know you are against it OKCRT .. stating that 95% are against/don't care it is ridiculously unfounded. A modern stadium for ULS/MLS will always be about field size and a phased approach where the state puts funds in and is matched/exceeded by the Energy (or the state puts the majority in and the Energy lease the stadium over a 10 year period providing ROI).

We are talking about building a stadium on the tax payers dime so team owners can collect the profits from games being played there. Are the tax payers also going to be on the hook for maintenance and future upgrades? This is a MAPS project.

[d-usa]

The team owners pay rent, as would any other event being held there.

Same as the Arena downtown.

[Laramie]

We are talking about building a stadium on the tax payers dime so team owners can collect the profits from games being played there. Are the tax payers also going to be on the hook for maintenance and future upgrades? This is a MAPS project.

Any facility built, financed & owned by the city must have an anchor tenant; this gives OKC total autonomy--the final say on events staged. These facilities like the Civic Center Music Hall (Oklahoma City Symphony & Ballet), Chesapeake Energy Arena (Oklahoma City Thunder), Chickasaw Bricktown Ballpark (Oklahoma City Dodgers), ASA Softball Hall Of Fame Stadium (WCWS World Series) and the Oklahoma City Zoo are owned by the City of Oklahoma City.

The facilities provide quality entertainment & quality of life events that boost our city's national profile and add to our city's tax base thru the economic impact it will have on visitors, tourists and guests who spend new outside money into our local economy.

MLS has a national tv contract with ESPN who also showcases the Women's College World Series. The spotlight cast on our city by the Thunder, Women's College World Series and potential benefits USL/MLS could bring to OKC are immeasurable. An owner who is willing to invest $150-$200 million in an MLS franchise that bears our city's name; could use some help. The stadium like our arena will be used for other events.

Again, OKCRT; what items did you submit: Ideas 4 MAPS--you seem to avoid an answer that question...

[Laramie]

We are talking about building a stadium on the tax payers dime so team owners can collect the profits from games being played there. Are the tax payers also going to be on the hook for maintenance and future upgrades? This is a MAPS project.

That's the purpose of a rent/lease agreement with an anchor tenant. If you own a duplex, generally the owner is responsible for upgrades unless the lease agreement stipulates otherwise.

There will be other potential MLS tenants (expansion/relocation) who may want to own a franchise in OKC; however we prefer local ownership for stability.

Recall how we obtained the NBA Oklahoma City Thunder.

[OKCRT]

Minor League Soccer stadium most likely over 100 mil all said and done. Can not even begin to compare this with the NBA.

[gopokes88]

Minor League Soccer stadium most likely over 100 mil all said and done. Can not even begin to compare this with the NBA.

By the time we need a new nba arena you’re looking at billion

[Laramie]

Minor League Soccer stadium most likely over 100 mil all said and done. Can not even begin to compare this with the NBA.

Rio Grande Valley Toros just opened a 9,400-seat soccer-specific stadium (March 22, 2017) in Edinburg, Texas for $30 million. We paid more for the Chickasaw Bricktown Ballpark $34 million in 1995; ($51.1 million in 2017 dollars).

Again, OKCRT; what items did you submit: Ideas 4 MAPS--you seem to avoid an answer that question..

I'll answer that question for you. Admit it, you haven't submitted anything.

[mugofbeer]

Denver built a very nice soccer stadium for what would be about $90 million in todays dollars. lt holds about 18000 fir soccer and 27000 for concerts. Key is that it is within a huge soccer complex of lighted fields. This could easily be don on the south side of the fairgrounds.

[mugofbeer]

Denver built a very nice soccer stadium for what would be about $90 million in todays dollars. lt holds about 18000 for soccer and 27000 for concerts. Key is that it is within a huge soccer complex of lighted fields. This could easily be don on the south side of the fairgrounds.

[OKCRT]

Rio Grande Valley Toros just opened a 9,400-seat soccer-specific stadium (March 22, 2017) in Edinburg, Texas for $30 million. We paid more for the Chickasaw Bricktown Ballpark $34 million in 1995; ($51.1 million in 2017 dollars).

Again, OKCRT; what items did you submit: Ideas 4 MAPS--you seem to avoid an answer that question..

I'll answer that question for you. Admit it, you haven't submitted anything.

No, I haven't submitted anything yet.

[Laramie]

City of Oklahoma City have given its voters a voice on what you want to see on future MAPS initiatives.

We approved a new stadium to keep minor league AAA baseball in a Bricktown setting that created a new district with the addition of the canal.

Mugofbeer mentioned the soccer specific stadium built in Commerce City for the Colorado Rapids (Denver area) for $90 million in today's currency. OKC could probably build a larger venue on city-owned land for under $100 million. Build a venue with the capability to expand and add a roof,

Propose that if we build a stadium let's think big--build a 25,000-seat chair back seats/cup holders venue; 15,000 lower bowl with 10,000 upper deck that can be closed off when not in use. Why 25,000; ULS/MLS soccer, bring back the State high school 6-A playoffs, college football--Langston vs. Lincoln, Grambling, Southern, Prairie View A&M, college bowl classic for Div., I or II, major motor cross, bicycle course, concerts and large gatherings.

[OKCRT]

City of Oklahoma City have given its voters a voice on what you want to see on future MAPS initiatives.

We approved a new stadium to keep minor league AAA baseball in a Bricktown setting that created a new district with the addition of the canal.

Mugofbeer mentioned the soccer specific stadium built in Commerce City for the Colorado Rapids (Denver area) for $90 million in today's currency. OKC could probably build a larger venue on city-owned land for under $100 million. Build a venue with the capability to expand and add a roof,

Propose that if we build a stadium let's think big--build a 25,000-seat chair back seats/cup holders venue; 15,000 lower bowl with 10,000 upper deck that can be closed off when not in use. Why 25,000; ULS/MLS soccer, bring back the State high school 6-A playoffs, college football--Langston vs. Lincoln, Grambling, Southern, Prairie View A&M, college bowl classic for Div., I or II, major motor cross, bicycle course, concerts and large gatherings.

If this were for MLS I would 100% support it. It appears that MLS will go beyond 28 teams and right now it's around $100 mil. fee to join. I would imagine that fee will go higher so if OKC has the people that want to own a team hopefully they could get on the short list. If you get a promise of MLS then you build a first class stadium. I think the new Stadium in Stl is going to cost 200 mil+ and team owners are paying for it. Think the city/state is going to donate land and they will get some tax breaks. I think it would be great if OKC could get a promise for a team then put forth the stadium on maps.

If they could work that out then you go after one of the new XFL teams and have another tenant for spring football.

[David]

I'm waiting on public polling before I say a hard yay or nay on a soccer stadium. I'm not going to assume the city as a whole doesn't want it since we have no stats on that at all.

[gopokes88]

I'm waiting on public polling before I say a hard yay or nay on a soccer stadium. I'm not going to assume the city as a whole doesn't want it since we have no stats on that at all.

I would assume it’s likely the opposite and people on this site are a very vocal echo chamber minority.

The fact is OKC is a pretty sports crazed city and will likely want to invest in a soccer stadium.

And it’s a good investment. Sports teams are status symbols for city’s. And right now okc is extremely fortunate to have an nba team, which is the fastest growing league, and has the brightest future. We aren’t getting an nfl, mls, nhl team. Investing in soccer, a sport that is growing rapidly and will continue to do so, positions us very well in the future if soccer becomes the 5th major sport. (It’s got a ways to go to catch up to the nfl, nba, mlb, and nhl)