Santa Fe Square in the Blue Dome District

[Pete]

Alamo would still provide advice / approval.

You think 10 screens are going to fit into that building shown?

[Eric]

Alamo would still provide advice / approval.

You think 10 screens are going to fit into that building shown?

Not sure.

But the one on Lamar is 9 screens and appears could be of similar size.

One of the other new ones on Aldrich in Austin is only 6 screens I believe, and is likely a smaller footprint than the images above depict.

The Sloans Lake location in Denver has 8 screens.

These are all examples of urban(ish) new builds.

Obviously they are willing to deviate. Not saying it's going to happen. Just saying writing it off for spurious reasons may not be the answer either. If the right operator/developer come along, a lot of things can happen in places you wouldn't normally expect it to. See the Kansas City location for evidence of this. No way should one have gone there but it did. I love going there to boot.

[UrbanNebraska]

Honestly not a humblebrag, but just an example in a similar market to Tulsa. Alamo is opening a second location in our metro area with only 5 screens in an urban mixed use development that is 3 miles from one first run cinema, 3.5 from another and 1.5 miles from two different limited run theaters.

No clue if that is even an option for this project, but Alamo obviously has been flexible in at least one smaller market.

[Pete]

^

That's a 2nd location, not the first.

[UrbanNebraska]

True, first was way out in the burbs with 8 screens. Proving the market may be important for them.

[BG918]

Who knows Eliot Nelson may be creating an all new urban cinema concept. This wasn’t in the original renderings for Santa Fe Square. I think it’s a good location though, draws people to the retail promenade (which conveniently connects to McNellies across 1st) and backs up to a parking garage. It also forms a retail cluster around Frankfort Ave to build on the existing retailers like Phat Tire Bicycles & Fleet Feet at 2nd and the Boxyard at 3rd (also a Eliot Nelson/Casey Stowe venture). There is also a coffee/brewpub called Fine Fermentations going in the vacant building at 4th & Frankfort.

[Eric]

True, first was way out in the burbs with 8 screens. Proving the market may be important for them.

I understand they are different, but there is a Warren out in the burbs (Bixby/BA area). Seems to be doing just fine. As the crow flies it's a solid 15 miles away. Closest first run is probably the Southroads AMC @ 41st & Yale.

[BG918]

Closest first run is probably the Southroads AMC @ 41st & Yale.

Correct. And Circle Cinema (art house) near TU at 1st & Lewis. Midtown/downtown is a big potential unserved market, and anything unique downtown would draw from all over the metro.

[Eric]

Correct. And Circle Cinema (art house) near TU at 1st & Lewis. Midtown/downtown is a big potential unserved market, and anything unique downtown would draw from all over the metro.

By no means did I intend to overlook Circle, because jewel of a theater, just didn't think that is what was intended by 1st run theater.

And I agree, a location in downtown Tulsa would likely be a better draw than say the location in K.C. There is a already a synergy of entertainment options in a really small area in the Brady (err uhh, whatever it is now) District.

[Plutonic Panda]

This project has broken ground:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/a-...home-top-story

[Swake]

This project has broken ground:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/a-...home-top-story

Here's a rendering of the site:

[BG918]

The first phase of the apartments are now leasing. I know there are at least two restaurants planned for the ground floor, I think they will be announcing the other retail tenants soon

[dankrutka]

What an incredible difference for that block. I’d love to see something similar for the surface lot east of the Bricktown ballpark.

[PhiAlpha]

A version of this is what needs to go between Harvey and Hudson, 10th and 12th in midtown. Just a great development all around.

The retail spaces are also great here.