2018 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread

[BG918]

I'm happy for the new announcement to DCA but am kinda surprised that this was the route chosen. With PHL so close, why did AA decide on DCA rather than MIA ?

LGA would be better even if it means a drop in frequency to PHL. But good to see AA cover all of their bases from OKC minus MIA.

[shawnw]

catch, are you expecting MIA based on inside info?

[HangryHippo]

LGA would be better even if it means a drop in frequency to PHL. But good to see AA cover all of their bases from OKC minus MIA.

Yep, I could really use LGA or JFK. And MSY for selfish reasons.

[no1cub17]

I was expecting MIA also, but happy with DCA. I imagine that we will lose a PHL frequency as a trade off.

Interesting you say that. Has PHL not been performing well? Loads have been so-so on the random dates I've checked. Lots of award space too which is always a bad sign given how stingy AA has become.

[no1cub17]

I’m far from an expert, but my guess would be to keep up SWA for market share in OKC.

Not to mention PHL and DCA are totally different markets, plus I'd imagine PHL is more targeted towards connections and DCA is more O&D - although AA is still huge at DCA so there will probably be connecting opportunities there.

[catch22]

catch, are you expecting MIA based on inside info?

Nope. They have just added a few similar markets to MIA recently. OMA was one of them.

[catch22]

What a difference a decade makes.

2008:




American: DFW/ORD/STL
Continental: IAH/EWR
Delta/Northwest: ATL/MEM/MSP/SLC/DTW
Southwest: DAL/HOU/MCI/STL/DEN/PHX/LAS
United: DEN/ORD/LAX
US Airways: PHX

2018:

[jonny d]

What a difference a decade makes.

2008:




American: DFW/ORD/STL
Continental: IAH/EWR
Delta/Northwest: ATL/MEM/MSP/SLC/DTW
Southwest: DAL/HOU/MCI/STL/DEN/PHX/LAS
United: DEN/ORD/LAX
US Airways: PHX

2018:

In before people complain about the flights we have lost...jkjk!

That is impressive to see! Now we need to add Miami, PDX, and Boston, and possibly JFK/LGA (unlikely) and we will be set!

[Celebrator]

Forgot VPS!

[catch22]

Forgot VPS!

I did!

[PaddyShack]

Would be a nice route map for a local airlines based here... Oh well, a guy can only wish. Haha.

[catch22]

Catch22 here reporting live from the Will Rogers World Airport where by 4:45pm, DNC has closed half of the food establishments in the airport. There are still departures scheduled until 7pm.

[no1cub17]

Catch22 here reporting live from the Will Rogers World Airport where by 4:45pm, DNC has closed half of the food establishments in the airport. There are still departures scheduled until 7pm.

Sounds about right. Truly pathetic!

[catch22]

American has loaded DCA this morning, but as usual don’t pay attention to the prices yet as the revenue management system lags behind schedule changes. It severely overpriced flights that it does not have pricing models for.

OKC-DCA 6:55am-10:50am
DCA-OKC 6:00pm-8:20pm

Will be operated by an E175 as expected.

[damonsmuz]

Love the times! Correct me if Im wrong but aren't all of AA's gate in use at that time?

[catch22]

Love the times! Correct me if Im wrong but aren't all of AA's gate in use at that time?

Yes, but they aren’t quite into February with their schedule yet. They are brushing into January right now. Everything after is a dummy schedule. I’m sure there will be some adjustments in the coming weeks when they refine the end of January and February.

I’m really impressed with AA’s growth in OKC lately.

[OUman]

Just an aside here but for those interested...

LH announces Austin-Frankfurt

[damonsmuz]

Here's what I find weird. In the last few months we have seen AA anounce service to PHL and DCA. Southwest announces service to DCA . So, 3 routes to the east coast but somehow United can't maintain service all year to Newark? I know some will say that each airport has different services but Newark has a bunch of connections to the NE

[catch22]

United is stretched for aircraft and is in a growth spurt, which means routes are competing against each other. OKC-EWR has to compete with OMA-EWR for equipment (for example, not necessarily that exact case).

American has a very large fleet, and they aren’t really growing so they have the flexibility to experiment with routes and allow for marginal routes to mature. They can shuffle the deck and allow new routes without sacrificing other routes too much.

With a large number of aircraft joining the fleet over the next several years, hopefully United can relax a little bit and be more aggressive in the market.

With that said, the spring schedule shows United ending mainline service in OKC completely and reducing DEN to 3 E145s and 1 E175. I think it’s safe to say United is very bearish in OKC, I wonder if this growth from American is depressing yields for United? I have a close eye on Delta, because if they start pulling back it’ll be clear that American is disrupting things more than we may want.

[no1cub17]

United is stretched for aircraft and is in a growth spurt, which means routes are competing against each other. OKC-EWR has to compete with OMA-EWR for equipment (for example, not necessarily that exact case).

American has a very large fleet, and they aren’t really growing so they have the flexibility to experiment with routes and allow for marginal routes to mature. They can shuffle the deck and allow new routes without sacrificing other routes too much.

With a large number of aircraft joining the fleet over the next several years, hopefully United can relax a little bit and be more aggressive in the market.

With that said, the spring schedule shows United ending mainline service in OKC completely and reducing DEN to 3 E145s and 1 E175. I think it’s safe to say United is very bearish in OKC, I wonder if this growth from American is depressing yields for United? I have a close eye on Delta, because if they start pulling back it’ll be clear that American is disrupting things more than we may want.

Wow - going down to just 4x to DEN and three of them on ERJs? That seems extremely light! AA's DFW and LAX hubs must be taking a lot of business from UA. Would be a real shame to see a draw down from UA and DL - AA is in no way a good enough airline to have this big a market share here. I don't even want to know what'll happen to fares here - they're high enough as it is.

[catch22]

In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities.

We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months:

PHX + 1 daily
PHL + 2 daily
DCA + 1 daily
LAX + 1 daily (net 3)
DFW + 1 daily (net 10)

Great but almost worrying.

[BG918]

In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities.

We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months:

PHX + 1 daily
PHL + 2 daily
DCA + 1 daily
LAX + 1 daily (net 3)
DFW + 1 daily (net 10)

Great but almost worrying.

How many daily flights does OKC also have to ORD and CLT on AA?

[HangryHippo]

In the last year AA has added a lot of capacity, and a lot of connecting opportunities.

We have seen in the last year, and forward in the next 6 months:

PHX + 1 daily
PHL + 2 daily
DCA + 1 daily
LAX + 1 daily (net 3)
DFW + 1 daily (net 10)

Great but almost worrying.

It's been great for me personally. I'd like to fly Delta more, but their schedules and destinations out of OKC suck and their fares tend to be horrendous.

[catch22]

How many daily flights does OKC also have to ORD and CLT on AA?

4 daily to ORD, sometimes 5 (summer or peak)
2 daily to CLT, sometimes 3 for peak periods.

[no1cub17]

It's been great for me personally. I'd like to fly Delta more, but their schedules and destinations out of OKC suck and their fares tend to be horrendous.

I used to fly DL/NW all the time back home to Michigan. OKC just isn't well positioned relative to DL's hubs IMO - plus skymiles has become more or less of a joke of a FFP, even compared to AA.