Oklahoma liquor laws

[Bunty]

Maybe Wal-Mart will start a petition in a few years to vote on to legalize selling liquor in grocery stores and maybe drug stores, like in Las Vegas. I doubt liquor stores would be happy about it.

[Plutonic Panda]

^^ that would be nice.

California is also voting on laws to expand liquor sales until 4am. I think it has to do with sales in grocery stores(grocery stores here sell everything spirits, wine, etc.). I am not sure about bars but I think their hours will be expanded too. Would be nice to just allow sales 24hrs like Las Vegas. It should be year round. There also shouldn’t be any proximity restrictions for churches. Schools I can understand. I don’t know what else besides that which could be done to further modernize our liquor laws. Allowing open container zones is nice. I’m not sure if cities are allowed to do that or not.

Hopefully the momentum in Oklahoma for modern liquor laws and MJ laws keeps pushing forward. Oklahoma has made so much progress in the last few years with its laws its so exciting. I can only see it continuing.

I think a good next step would be to expand the hours you can sell and allow spirits to be sold in grocery stores.

[bchris02]

While not near as big of a deal as the draconian liquor laws the state is finally ditching on October 1st, one thing I would like to see reformed is how last call is handled. I'd love to see some kind of provision for after hours clubs to serve alcohol. Arkansas has a limited number of establishments in the state's largest cities that can stay open and serve alcohol until 5AM. I'd also like to see existing ABC-3 licenses modified so that establishments simply had to stop serving alcohol at 2AM instead of having to have everyone kicked out by that time. 18-20 year-olds should also be able to get into ABC-3 establishments even if they are unable to drink.

[HangryHippo]

I'd also like to see existing ABC-3 licenses modified so that establishments simply had to stop serving alcohol at 2AM instead of having to have everyone kicked out by that time.

I think this would be a great idea in lieu of the current process of shutting it down and sending everyone out.

18-20 year-olds should also be able to get into ABC-3 establishments even if they are unable to drink.

I don't like this idea at all.

[Johnb911]

I do enjoy craft beer, IPAs, etc. but if I'm drinking in bulk (football-watching, meat-smoking, sitting-on-the-patio-all-day Saturdays), I'm drinking Miller Lite or its equivalent. Plus it frees up money for ribs, or brisket, or a new smoker, or....

You should just come drink with us on The Carlton Way

[barrettd]

You should just come drink with us on The Carlton Way

Maybe you should come to Kerry!

[bluedogok]

Bluedogok,
You do know that the Texas liquor laws vary by county don't you? That could explain what you have found in some Sam's or Costco's.
C. T.

Yes, but the TABC still regulates licensing statewide for retail liquor sales. The county can just determine wet/dry and the cities and counties the method of enforce it which led to the past wet/dry by voting district in the Dallas area.

An individual is limited to 5 licenses, Corporations cannot hold licenses, they do not have the 10 year residency rule like Oklahoma. Those licenses can be pooled together with family (direct or by marriage) to create a marketing entity. Spec's is one of the larger "chains" and it is under the marketing entity category. An individual has to be the license holder, for the Austin area location a husband, wife and other family members each hold the licenses . The parents, brothers and sisters hold the licenses for the other stores across the state. Once you have a family group pooled together as a “consanguinity exception” you are allowed unlimited licensing. Walmart has sued that ruling and it is making its way through the federal courts now. It won a ruling in March but I am sure the state is fighting it.

Here is a quote from the link below.

Additionally, package store permits are restricted to five permits per person, but with a crazy exception. The exception to this rule is known as the “consanguinity exception,” which means that if two family members pool their permits they are no longer subject to the limit. This is the loophole that has allowed stores like Spec’s and Twin Liquors to become major chains with hundreds of locations across Texas.

Empower Texans - Federal Ruling Could Mean the End of the Texas Liquor Store Cartel

[Bunty]

I think this would be a great idea in lieu of the current process of shutting it down and sending everyone out.

And when the bartender turns on the lights and shouts, "last call for alcohol" it seems you're being encouraged to have one more just before the road.

[Jersey Boss]

Delivery by Post Mates would be a plus. Not a radical idea as it is an option in several states.

[Bunty]

By now are sales of 3.2% beer all gone?

[Pete]

By now are sales of 3.2% beer all gone?

It's still around but it seems all that inventory is being cleared out in advance of Oct. 1.

[BridgeBurner]

Walmart on 23rd and Penn has been out of 3.2% and it does not look like they intend to restock.

[Pete]

I don't think the breweries are making any more at this point and that the stores are basically closing out all low point.

[PaddyShack]

NHWM in Yukon down the street from my house has no 3.2 beer left, the fridges are filled with Gatorade at the moment with a sign that reads: "New Products are coming Oct 1".

[Bullbear]

Most bars in Town are running great specials on 3.2 beer if that's your thing. the bar I frequent is closing it out and getting delivery of the high point beer this weekend.

[okatty]

The distribution channels are in a bit of chaos over the Oct. 1 date. O Bar had no Stella a couple of nights ago and said it was related to distributor issues in connection with new law coming online.

[Dustin]

Poor Utah. Is the state just not going to sell beer?

[jedicurt]

Poor Utah. Is the state just not going to sell beer?

in grocery stores... probably...

[Jersey Boss]

in grocery stores... probably...

If it is being made.

[jedicurt]

If it is being made.

sorry. realize my last message wasn't clear... grocery stores probably will stop selling beer in Utah. There have been some conversations about high point beer and what it would take to get there, but they are years away from it. so liquor stores will still be selling beer, but grocery stores, gas stations, and perhaps even some restaurants will probably have to stop selling as low point beer will not be produced, at least by the major producers.

[bchris02]

I was wondering about Utah as they are the only other state that is a large consumer of 3.2 beer. Colorado, Kansas, and Minnesota still have 3.2 beer but its marketshare is negligible in those states so they won't be impacted as heavily.

[Laramie]

UTAH

"Starting probably early to mid 2018, you're going to see many of the products in the grocery and convenience stores today will begin to disappear," Jim Olsen with the Utah Beer Wholesalers Association said.

3.2 beer phase out: Anheuser-Busch warns they could go from 20 brands to 12 in some states: https://fox6now.com/2017/12/25/3-2-b...n-some-states/

Oklahoma is among the last to line up with the rest of the states; we should look at established laws in other states to govern alcoholic beverages to strengthen our own laws.

Been a long proponent of allowing clubs, taverns & bars to remain open after 2 a.m., and sell non alcoholic beverages to patrons once the call is made to clear all alcoholic beverages from the premises to allow patrons to sober up from potential buzz affects of drinking. Logic: You don't put a bunch of buzz drivers on the roads between 2 & 2:30 am following a night out.

[baralheia]

I was wondering about Utah as they are the only other state that is a large consumer of 3.2 beer. Colorado, Kansas, and Minnesota still have 3.2 beer but its marketshare is negligible in those states so they won't be impacted as heavily.

However, it should be a huge boon for Utah's craft beer scene. With lessened competition from the bigs, local breweries could easily move into producing low-point beers (or expand existing production) to fill the demand until their state laws change. While it would suck for anyone wanting a Budweiser or Miller Lite, there's a good chance this will be a net benefit for the local beer scene there.

[bluedogok]

I don't think the breweries are making any more at this point and that the stores are basically closing out all low point.

They are still making it, our grocery and convenience stores still have it here in Colorado. I don't think Sam's or Costco ever had it here since they have the adjacent liquor store leases. They are probably making less aren't distributing it to Oklahoma anymore.

[Bunty]

It's still around but it seems all that inventory is being cleared out in advance of Oct. 1.

CVS is running low on 3.2% beer. The CVS I went to now has a beer cave. I wonder if there will be a big run for beer at liquor stores during the last weekend of September.